Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead - Page 2

**linderman** · 07-16-2008, 04:08 AM

YES that AsRock board is the one I was speaking of ......... was a nice board in theory ........... but a real "slug" in reality

stick with the giga board / epox / asus board......... links you have

ObsidianOne · 07-16-2008, 10:44 AM

So the Gigabyte board is superior to the Asus board I found earlier?

ObsidianOne · 07-16-2008, 12:24 PM

I just looked up the specs for the Gigabyte board and it only has a 800MHz FSB, so, I'm guessing the Asus is superior?

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ObsidianOne

I just looked up the specs for the Gigabyte board and it only has a 800MHz FSB, so, I'm guessing the Asus is superior?

No both mobo's supports up to PC3200 ram.

ASUS mobo filled PCI Express x1 slots w/AGP gpu card support make no sinse? extra PCI slots are more usefull sinse that mobo does not have PCI-E graphic slot.

IMHO go w/ Gigabyte or MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum

ObsidianOne · 07-16-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

No both mobo's supports up to PC3200 ram.

ASUS mobo filled PCI Express x1 slots w/AGP gpu card support make no sinse? extra PCI slots are more usefull sinse that mobo does not have PCI-E graphic slot.

IMHO go w/ Gigabyte or MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum

My Epox mobo had 1000MHz FSB, wouldn't the 800MHz be significantly less?
What does RAM have to do with this?
What use is the PCI-E x1 slot if I don't have any PCI-E accessories to use it on?
I have an AGP GeForce 7800GS.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ObsidianOne

My Epox mobo had 1000MHz FSB, wouldn't the 800MHz be significantly less?
What does RAM have to do with this?
What use is the PCI-E x1 slot if I don't have any PCI-E accessories to use it on?
I have an AGP GeForce 7800GS.

Your confusing HyperTranport bandwidth vs memory mhz's

PC3200 ram runs 400mhz, when paired the mobo kicks in dual channel mode = 800 mhz

FSB is achieved by memory mhz X the processors multiplier.

The ASUS mobo has PCI-e x1 slots these are aprox 1 inch, your confusing the post I'd noted the ASUS did not have an PCI-E graphic slot

examp.

PCI-e graphic slot :::::::::::::::: :::

PCI-e x1 slot :::::

jnabalarua · 07-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Hey have build a PC and when I wanted to load the OS the BIOS cant pick out the HDD.

ObsidianOne · 07-16-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

Your confusing HyperTranport bandwidth vs memory mhz's

PC3200 ram runs 400mhz, when paired the mobo kicks in dual channel mode = 800 mhz

FSB is achieved by memory mhz X the processors multiplier.

The ASUS mobo has PCI-e x1 slots these are aprox 1 inch, your confusing the post I'd noted the ASUS did not have an PCI-E graphic slot

examp.

PCI-e graphic slot :::::::::::::::: :::

PCI-e x1 slot :::::

No, you're misunderstanding me.
The Epox mobo has a 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s) FSB and the Gigabyte mobo has a 800MHz Hyper Transport (1600MT/s) FSB.
The Epox mobo is obviously superior and the FSB on the Gigabyte is slower. Correct?

**linderman** · 07-16-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jnabalarua

Hey have build a PC and when I wanted to load the OS the BIOS cant pick out the HDD.

PLEASE START YOUR OWN THREAD FOR YOUR PROBLEM IN THE MOTHERBOARD SECTION ......... its too difficult to answer two different people even if your problems were identical .

thank-you

**linderman** · 07-16-2008, 03:36 PM

the Epox board should be faster as is the hyper transport speed just becasue its the NF3 chipset compared to the VIA thats the speed diff I was talking about

although I wonder ......... if you are only running 333mhz ram you arent seeing any of that speed anyway !!

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 03:57 PM

This is what AMD has done on their A64 processors with what is called “Hyper Transport Technology” (HTT). They have eliminated the need for a Northbridge by integrating it into the processor itself. This is called “on-die”, meaning that the Northbridge (memory controller) is actually on the same piece of silicon as the processor itself. This eliminates any type of travel time between the traditional Northbridge and CPU, which essentially reduces latencies and speeds up the whole process all together.

Both mobo's support up to PC3200 ram 400mhz doubled = 800 mhz

If you processor includes 2000mhz you will need a mobo that support PC 4200 ram or you won't achieve 2000mhz
Hyper Transport!

lazareth1 · 07-16-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

I'm positive 6 mbps isp connectons upstream "note" this is one isp provider.. 768 mbps < -- no way you will achieve this on a 10/100 nic card.

a 10/100 nic card
Operates at maximum forwarding rate and provides frame filtering and forwarding functions for each port
14,880 packets per second for 10 Mbps ports
148,800 packets per second for 100 Mbps ports
You can check out /1000 if you like.

I disagree.. I'm on a 10/100 router / isp provider is 8 mbps plan.

ISP connection speed tests connect between 7.4 - up to 7.9 Kbps

768mbps?!? thats definetly not a standard upload speed. Sounds more like a crazy frame relay or leased line connection and not something you would have at home. Obviously a NIC at 100 mbps couldn't use all the bandwidth but thats why these leased lines etc are used at colleges and businesses etc.

Go ahead and upgrade your LAN and router to 1000gbps and see if makes a difference to the internet speeds. Bet it won't.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lazareth1

768mbps?!? thats definetly not a standard upload speed. Sounds more like a crazy frame relay or leased line connection and not something you would have at home. Obviously a NIC at 100 mbps couldn't use all the bandwidth but thats why these leased lines etc are used at colleges and businesses etc.

Go ahead and upgrade your LAN and router to 1000gbps and see if makes a difference to the internet speeds. Bet it won't.

768mbps I'd posted as an example of one isp provider, not the isp I'm using, No reason I should buy 1000gbps router Im connectecting XXX XXX XXX 1000 flow without a 1000gbps router.

lazareth1 · 07-16-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

Im connectecting XXX XXX XXX 1000 flow without a 1000gbps router.

And how are you doing that?

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lazareth1

And how are you doing that?

With the ISP provider package.

lazareth1 · 07-16-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

With the ISP provider package.

I must be missing something here. You say your getting 1000mbps traffic flow from your ISP package but earlier you said you had 8mbps package?

If you are getting 8mbps package then of course a 100mbps network would suffice. Hell even a 10mbps LAN would be fine. Internet speeds are almost always slower in bandwidth than almost all LANs and NIC cards.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-16-2008, 10:51 PM

I'm not complaining about ISP connection issues, if your experiancing connection issues you should post your issue in the networking section!

07-16-2008, 04:08 AM	#21 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 14,067 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead YES that AsRock board is the one I was speaking of ......... was a nice board in theory ........... but a real "slug" in reality stick with the giga board / epox / asus board......... links you have __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-16-2008, 10:44 AM	#22 (permalink)
ObsidianOne Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 55 OS: Windows XP SP2	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead So the Gigabyte board is superior to the Asus board I found earlier?

07-16-2008, 12:24 PM	#23 (permalink)
ObsidianOne Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 55 OS: Windows XP SP2	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead I just looked up the specs for the Gigabyte board and it only has a 800MHz FSB, so, I'm guessing the Asus is superior?

07-16-2008, 03:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
jnabalarua Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1 OS: Win XP SP2	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead Hey have build a PC and when I wanted to load the OS the BIOS cant pick out the HDD.

07-16-2008, 03:36 PM	#30 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 14,067 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead the Epox board should be faster as is the hyper transport speed just becasue its the NF3 chipset compared to the VIA thats the speed diff I was talking about although I wonder ......... if you are only running 333mhz ram you arent seeing any of that speed anyway !! __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-16-2008, 03:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead This is what AMD has done on their A64 processors with what is called “Hyper Transport Technology” (HTT). They have eliminated the need for a Northbridge by integrating it into the processor itself. This is called “on-die”, meaning that the Northbridge (memory controller) is actually on the same piece of silicon as the processor itself. This eliminates any type of travel time between the traditional Northbridge and CPU, which essentially reduces latencies and speeds up the whole process all together. Both mobo's support up to PC3200 ram 400mhz doubled = 800 mhz If you processor includes 2000mhz you will need a mobo that support PC 4200 ram or you won't achieve 2000mhz Hyper Transport!

07-16-2008, 10:51 PM	#37 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: Looking for a new motherboard to revive the dead I'm not complaining about ISP connection issues, if your experiancing connection issues you should post your issue in the networking section!