A problem with bios/gpu?

Hobble · 07-14-2008, 08:41 PM

Ok, this is a copy of a post I made in the graphics card forum but I am going to add some amendments on the end, I don't mean to cause clutter but it seems this would be the better place for the main issue of mine.

Original link: Continued problems...

"I wasn't 100% where to put this, so here we go... it's kinda BIOS and Graphics card related... I think?

I put together a PC about 2 weeks ago now, and had problems with overheating... it was idling at around 60 and within 2 minutes of load it would shoot up to 115C.

The system is...

Asus Striker II Extreme 790i SLI
QX9650 Core 2 Duo
4gig Corsair ram (DDR3 1600)
Coolermaster 1000 case and Cooler master 1000W Modular PSU
2X 500gig Seagate HDD in RAID
EVGA GTX 280 (1gig DD3)

Currently I am not overclocking anything.

Basically, to summerize I ended up RMAing the card, and I just got a new one and put it in. Thankfully this new card runs at 40 idle and around 60-70 full load... Unthankfully I have a different problem... or 2.

Whenever running a 3D application I get a high pitch screeching from the card, I looked over this and some people pointed towards the PSU. I posted on the EVGA forums and we came to the conclusion I might want to RMA it, this is for a few of reasons.

1) The screeching never happened with the graphics card that overheated.
2) The screeching is coming directly from the back of the card (where the power connectors are)
3) The PSU itself is not making any bad noises at all.

Anyway, as things go on, it can run for ages with the little squeel, I tried new leads and different PSU ports (modular), but I also have another problem.

Every now and then, when I go to shutdown Windows (Vista Ultimate 64bit) the system shuts down pretty much everything apart from the CPU fan and I have to do a reset press in order to load up windows again and try to shut down.
Sometimes when doing a reset I get the same thing and my LCD hangs at 'Code Init' (I thought it was 'CPU Init at first, but it's code every time I have checked)
I don't get the beep when this happens, but I can't stress that it doesn't happen every time, I can't find a clear cut reason to why it happens and it seems somewhat random, sometimes it does it when doing a save and reset in BIOS.

Basically, I am wondering if these problems are at all linked? Could the graphics card be causing the Code Init... if I am going to RMA this card I would like to know other things are ok.

I am really sorry for the long post and I hope my problems are clear, any questions at all, I am happy to answer. I am using the tired excuse too, so some things might not make sense and I thought this was the best forum to ask in.

I should also re-itterate I have had no problems at all apart from the screech when actually in windows, (ermmm apart from 1 crash when installing Lord of the Rings online, which was odd), everything 'seems' to be running fine. It's been running for over 18 hours now, a few hours in games... just putting up with the screeching."

Additions: I am running the 0901 bios currently, I was running 0701 earlier today and was getting the same issue.

On the extreme part of the bios, I dont have a large selection of CPU's, just a 9750, I am not sure if I should have more?

I am sure there are other points I am missing, any information or general ideas right now would help a ton.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-14-2008, 08:52 PM

Check in event viewer post the exact error init code, if both gpu's screech..ed sounds as if its a componet on your mobo.

Hobble · 07-14-2008, 08:58 PM

Oh sorry, for clarification, only the latest one screeched, the overheating one didnt... I will check the event viewer in a bit, would I be looking under a specific header?

The reason I know it's a CODEINIT error is because of the LCD screen, sometimes it happens when saving bios, sometimes it happens when resetting windows, sometimes when I shut down it doesn't finish entirely.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-14-2008, 09:12 PM

Look for any error containing "init".

Hobble · 07-14-2008, 09:41 PM

I can't actually see anything to do with init, the only errors I see under application that are recurring are to do with WMI, Event ID 10... Under system I can't find much of a problem at all.

When these problems happen though, Windows isn't even loaded, it's actually shut down and everything has turned off apart from the CPU, or it's not even got in to POST yet.

However, I am going to see if I can get the problem to happen, and then will check event viewer again with a more accurate time.

Hobble · 07-14-2008, 11:11 PM

Well upon hitting shut down this time (after being in a 3D app for 4-5 hours) I had a BSOD

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

STOP: 0x0000000A (0x0000000000000024, 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000001, 0xFFFFF80001E1A75B) I can find a minidump if you need.

After which it did a memory dump, then hangs without fully shutting down (monitor off, CPU fan light still on, CPU on, with CODEINIT in the LCD Panel)

Pressed the reset button and had a system last boot fail or POST interrupted error (press F1 to continue or Del for setup).

Then went in to normal mode with windows... the only event I can see with an error is that WMI one again, error code 10.

After checking through that, I shut down again and everything shut down 100% fine.

**lazareth1** · 07-15-2008, 12:24 AM

For everyone wanting clarification. The CODE INIT error he is getting is NOT in windows but on the LCD 'poster' that come with mobo and is used INSTEAD of POST beeps.

http://pics.computerbase.de/1/8/1/8/7/8.jpg

Back to topic. I have the striker extreme II as well and I'm getting the same things happening to mines. (ie change the LCD poster options in BIOS save, and then get the DRAM INIT error on boot) I had to completly unpower the PC by taking out power cord and then putting back in after 40 secs. Hitting the clr cmos switch didn't even help!

Also, the first time I tried to boot up, I got a CODE INIT error and all I got were lights and no display. After taking out graphics, sound card etc 1 by 1, I discovered it was a faulty RAM chip at fault.

So I think CODE INIT is a hardware fault which the system is unable to pin point on POST. I tried looking at the appendix of the manual and this code wasn't even listed there!! Anywayz I think it is a faulty GPU if it happens once in a while and especially since it only happened with your new noisey replacement.

And to sum up about changing BIOS settings and no boot up. I think itz an ASUS BIOS thing because it happened to me also. Hope they get it fixed and better LCD codes cause itz a good idea but it still gives you jibberish like the beep codes lol.

PS I have my CPU and mobo watercooled. RAM will be too soon

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-15-2008, 10:02 AM

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394559.aspx

download WMI diagnostic's,

STOP: 0x0000000A

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314063

Hobble · 07-15-2008, 03:04 PM

Ok, the WMI issue seems to simply be to do with user permissions, thank you for that OMG.

The STOP: 0x0000000A seems to be a driver thing, I am fully up to date currently, this could be anything with some dodgy drivers and Vista 64bit I guess? Thank you again OMG.

I must point out, I haven't yet... as far as I remember, had this CODEINIT problem when powering on, only when the system tries to reset or shut down (Sometimes through a button press reset too). Thank you for your explanation lazareth1, it looks like you do believe it could be the graphics card... I guess I will have to find some friends nearby that can help me experiment with hardware.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-15-2008, 03:31 PM

Yes the following error codes after 0x0000000A are 64bit driver issues.. as MS has been selling Vista 64bit OS's, hardware vendors are lacking on the driver end.

**lazareth1** · 07-15-2008, 07:02 PM

I've been googling and this sorta problem is specific to our series of mobos and BIOS's. Here is the first link of a 'CODE INIT striker extreme II' search on google.

http://kostakiss.com/blog/2007/07/08...pu-init-error/

The BIOS is just crap at reading the info for the settings on your RAM. You will have to put them in yourself because AUTO just doesn't work. With me, my RAM is 6-6-6-15 @1.9v. In BIOS on auto, I get 9-9-9-20 @ 1.7v. Absolute nightmare! I'm really disappionted with this ASUS board

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~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-15-2008, 07:18 PM

Init error codes can be PXE, caused from many sources

http://www.emboot.com/faq-pxe.shtml

lazareth, memory bios setting could be a culprit.

**lazareth1** · 07-15-2008, 07:39 PM

errm them codes look different. ASUS made they're own proprietery messages on their LCD poster. It's definitley an ASUS striker thing. I've already changed my memory timing and voltage so I'm running fine. I'm just saying its a known problem with the BIOS and auto settings where some systems won't even boot.

~~OMGmissinglink~~ · 07-15-2008, 07:49 PM

ASUS makes customers pay 100.00 extra on a unstable mobo ^5 ASUS.

lazareth1, I did not disagree memory setting was the problem thats can be a yes or no fix.

**lazareth1** · 07-15-2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGmissinglink

ASUS makes customers pay 100.00 extra on a unstable mobo ^5 ASUS.

lazareth1, I did not disagree memory setting was the problem thats can be a yes or no fix.

Tell me about it I had a A8N SLI before and I had no trouble with that. Just shows that no matter how good a company is, there is always a bad apple or 2 or 3. lol.

Yeah I know you weren't disagreing. Just wanted to say that the ASUS LCD poster thing is just unique. personally give me back my beep codes!!

Hobble · 07-30-2008, 12:40 PM

I just wanted to update this thread to say most of the issues are sorted, and I believe anything that is a bit odd now is down to software, here is a summery.

1st graphics card overheated, got a 2nd

2nd graphics card had a high pitch whining, this is also when I had the shutting down and reset problems.

To sort the shutdown problems, and another few things, I manually set the memory timings to 9-9-9-24-2T, 1.8v as the ram suggests, memtest ran 2 full times with no problems.

Got a 3rd graphics card and put that in, it removed the whining sound and ALSO since then (about a week now) I haven't had a single reset issue, so it may have been the 2nd graphics card having it's own VGA Bios issues.

Now the only 'problem' I have, is 'sometimes' in certain games they just freeze, it's somewhat rare and I can be using the system for hours and hours with no problem, yesterday there wasn't a single issue. I believe this might be more to do with 64bit/software/drivers. I am 95% confident the hardware is ok.

Haven't had any blue screens since the one back along either, I will get around these teething problems with time I hope, thank you for all of the feedback.

**lazareth1** · 07-30-2008, 07:16 PM

Its your NB playing up with the memory not software. I know I said Ive had mine sorted but it looks like a bad mobo so RMA for me cause no matter what a chnage, I get random crashes like you.

.

You need to raise the voltage of your NB a few notches and see if that makes a difference.

07-14-2008, 08:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	A problem with bios/gpu? Ok, this is a copy of a post I made in the graphics card forum but I am going to add some amendments on the end, I don't mean to cause clutter but it seems this would be the better place for the main issue of mine. Original link: Continued problems... "I wasn't 100% where to put this, so here we go... it's kinda BIOS and Graphics card related... I think? I put together a PC about 2 weeks ago now, and had problems with overheating... it was idling at around 60 and within 2 minutes of load it would shoot up to 115C. The system is... Asus Striker II Extreme 790i SLI QX9650 Core 2 Duo 4gig Corsair ram (DDR3 1600) Coolermaster 1000 case and Cooler master 1000W Modular PSU 2X 500gig Seagate HDD in RAID EVGA GTX 280 (1gig DD3) Currently I am not overclocking anything. Basically, to summerize I ended up RMAing the card, and I just got a new one and put it in. Thankfully this new card runs at 40 idle and around 60-70 full load... Unthankfully I have a different problem... or 2. Whenever running a 3D application I get a high pitch screeching from the card, I looked over this and some people pointed towards the PSU. I posted on the EVGA forums and we came to the conclusion I might want to RMA it, this is for a few of reasons. 1) The screeching never happened with the graphics card that overheated. 2) The screeching is coming directly from the back of the card (where the power connectors are) 3) The PSU itself is not making any bad noises at all. Anyway, as things go on, it can run for ages with the little squeel, I tried new leads and different PSU ports (modular), but I also have another problem. Every now and then, when I go to shutdown Windows (Vista Ultimate 64bit) the system shuts down pretty much everything apart from the CPU fan and I have to do a reset press in order to load up windows again and try to shut down. Sometimes when doing a reset I get the same thing and my LCD hangs at 'Code Init' (I thought it was 'CPU Init at first, but it's code every time I have checked) I don't get the beep when this happens, but I can't stress that it doesn't happen every time, I can't find a clear cut reason to why it happens and it seems somewhat random, sometimes it does it when doing a save and reset in BIOS. Basically, I am wondering if these problems are at all linked? Could the graphics card be causing the Code Init... if I am going to RMA this card I would like to know other things are ok. I am really sorry for the long post and I hope my problems are clear, any questions at all, I am happy to answer. I am using the tired excuse too, so some things might not make sense and I thought this was the best forum to ask in. I should also re-itterate I have had no problems at all apart from the screech when actually in windows, (ermmm apart from 1 crash when installing Lord of the Rings online, which was odd), everything 'seems' to be running fine. It's been running for over 18 hours now, a few hours in games... just putting up with the screeching." Additions: I am running the 0901 bios currently, I was running 0701 earlier today and was getting the same issue. On the extreme part of the bios, I dont have a large selection of CPU's, just a 9750, I am not sure if I should have more? I am sure there are other points I am missing, any information or general ideas right now would help a ton.

07-14-2008, 08:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Check in event viewer post the exact error init code, if both gpu's screech..ed sounds as if its a componet on your mobo.

07-14-2008, 08:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Oh sorry, for clarification, only the latest one screeched, the overheating one didnt... I will check the event viewer in a bit, would I be looking under a specific header? The reason I know it's a CODEINIT error is because of the LCD screen, sometimes it happens when saving bios, sometimes it happens when resetting windows, sometimes when I shut down it doesn't finish entirely.

07-14-2008, 09:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Look for any error containing "init".

07-14-2008, 09:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? I can't actually see anything to do with init, the only errors I see under application that are recurring are to do with WMI, Event ID 10... Under system I can't find much of a problem at all. When these problems happen though, Windows isn't even loaded, it's actually shut down and everything has turned off apart from the CPU, or it's not even got in to POST yet. However, I am going to see if I can get the problem to happen, and then will check event viewer again with a more accurate time.

07-14-2008, 11:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Well upon hitting shut down this time (after being in a 3D app for 4-5 hours) I had a BSOD IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL STOP: 0x0000000A (0x0000000000000024, 0x0000000000000002, 0x0000000000000001, 0xFFFFF80001E1A75B) I can find a minidump if you need. After which it did a memory dump, then hangs without fully shutting down (monitor off, CPU fan light still on, CPU on, with CODEINIT in the LCD Panel) Pressed the reset button and had a system last boot fail or POST interrupted error (press F1 to continue or Del for setup). Then went in to normal mode with windows... the only event I can see with an error is that WMI one again, error code 10. After checking through that, I shut down again and everything shut down 100% fine.

07-15-2008, 12:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
lazareth1 Networking/Hardware Jedi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 969 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? For everyone wanting clarification. The CODE INIT error he is getting is NOT in windows but on the LCD 'poster' that come with mobo and is used INSTEAD of POST beeps. http://pics.computerbase.de/1/8/1/8/7/8.jpg Back to topic. I have the striker extreme II as well and I'm getting the same things happening to mines. (ie change the LCD poster options in BIOS save, and then get the DRAM INIT error on boot) I had to completly unpower the PC by taking out power cord and then putting back in after 40 secs. Hitting the clr cmos switch didn't even help! Also, the first time I tried to boot up, I got a CODE INIT error and all I got were lights and no display. After taking out graphics, sound card etc 1 by 1, I discovered it was a faulty RAM chip at fault. So I think CODE INIT is a hardware fault which the system is unable to pin point on POST. I tried looking at the appendix of the manual and this code wasn't even listed there!! Anywayz I think it is a faulty GPU if it happens once in a while and especially since it only happened with your new noisey replacement. And to sum up about changing BIOS settings and no boot up. I think itz an ASUS BIOS thing because it happened to me also. Hope they get it fixed and better LCD codes cause itz a good idea but it still gives you jibberish like the beep codes lol. PS I have my CPU and mobo watercooled. RAM will be too soon __________________ "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" JAFFA KREE!! Peace Through Power!!

07-15-2008, 10:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394559.aspx download WMI diagnostic's, STOP: 0x0000000A http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314063

07-15-2008, 03:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Ok, the WMI issue seems to simply be to do with user permissions, thank you for that OMG. The STOP: 0x0000000A seems to be a driver thing, I am fully up to date currently, this could be anything with some dodgy drivers and Vista 64bit I guess? Thank you again OMG. I must point out, I haven't yet... as far as I remember, had this CODEINIT problem when powering on, only when the system tries to reset or shut down (Sometimes through a button press reset too). Thank you for your explanation lazareth1, it looks like you do believe it could be the graphics card... I guess I will have to find some friends nearby that can help me experiment with hardware.

07-15-2008, 03:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Yes the following error codes after 0x0000000A are 64bit driver issues.. as MS has been selling Vista 64bit OS's, hardware vendors are lacking on the driver end.

07-15-2008, 07:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
lazareth1 Networking/Hardware Jedi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 969 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? I've been googling and this sorta problem is specific to our series of mobos and BIOS's. Here is the first link of a 'CODE INIT striker extreme II' search on google. http://kostakiss.com/blog/2007/07/08...pu-init-error/ The BIOS is just crap at reading the info for the settings on your RAM. You will have to put them in yourself because AUTO just doesn't work. With me, my RAM is 6-6-6-15 @1.9v. In BIOS on auto, I get 9-9-9-20 @ 1.7v. Absolute nightmare! I'm really disappionted with this ASUS board . __________________ "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" JAFFA KREE!! Peace Through Power!!

07-15-2008, 07:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Init error codes can be PXE, caused from many sources http://www.emboot.com/faq-pxe.shtml lazareth, memory bios setting could be a culprit.

07-15-2008, 07:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
lazareth1 Networking/Hardware Jedi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 969 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? errm them codes look different. ASUS made they're own proprietery messages on their LCD poster. It's definitley an ASUS striker thing. I've already changed my memory timing and voltage so I'm running fine. I'm just saying its a known problem with the BIOS and auto settings where some systems won't even boot. __________________ "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" JAFFA KREE!! Peace Through Power!!

07-15-2008, 07:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
~~OMGmissinglink~~ Troubled Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,535 OS: XP Pro sp2 My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? ASUS makes customers pay 100.00 extra on a unstable mobo ^5 ASUS. lazareth1, I did not disagree memory setting was the problem thats can be a yes or no fix.

07-30-2008, 12:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Hobble Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 84 OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? I just wanted to update this thread to say most of the issues are sorted, and I believe anything that is a bit odd now is down to software, here is a summery. 1st graphics card overheated, got a 2nd 2nd graphics card had a high pitch whining, this is also when I had the shutting down and reset problems. To sort the shutdown problems, and another few things, I manually set the memory timings to 9-9-9-24-2T, 1.8v as the ram suggests, memtest ran 2 full times with no problems. Got a 3rd graphics card and put that in, it removed the whining sound and ALSO since then (about a week now) I haven't had a single reset issue, so it may have been the 2nd graphics card having it's own VGA Bios issues. Now the only 'problem' I have, is 'sometimes' in certain games they just freeze, it's somewhat rare and I can be using the system for hours and hours with no problem, yesterday there wasn't a single issue. I believe this might be more to do with 64bit/software/drivers. I am 95% confident the hardware is ok. Haven't had any blue screens since the one back along either, I will get around these teething problems with time I hope, thank you for all of the feedback.

07-30-2008, 07:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
lazareth1 Networking/Hardware Jedi Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hong Kong, previously Fife in Bonnie Scotland Posts: 969 OS: Vista SP1, Ultimate My System	Re: A problem with bios/gpu? Its your NB playing up with the memory not software. I know I said Ive had mine sorted but it looks like a bad mobo so RMA for me cause no matter what a chnage, I get random crashes like you. . You need to raise the voltage of your NB a few notches and see if that makes a difference. __________________ "Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" JAFFA KREE!! Peace Through Power!!