HyperThreading... help!

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 09:37 AM

Hi,

I have a Asus P4BP-MX (Intel 845GV) Series motherboard with a P4-2.40A GHz (533 FSB, L2 cache:1MB, 90nm) CPU. I have WinXP installed. However, the HyperThreading feature is not present in BIOS. I've updated the Intel Chipset to the latest version. Can someone help me out with this please?

Thanks.

Josh

CTSNKY · 08-23-2004, 09:48 AM

Hmmmm....not much mention in the user manual is there? No evidence this ever was in the BIOS. I would ask if you have the most recent version flashed? The one on their web site is from 7/27/2004. May/may not help, but worth a try.

Xtant · 08-23-2004, 09:52 AM

Your CPU isn't a HT CPU, that's why.

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 10:22 AM

CTSNKY: The Motherboard manual simply says that I need to ensure HT is enabled in BIOS. About flashing the BIOS, I wanted to keep that as the last option as it might lead to other problems.

Xtant: Are you sure? Because, the following link suggests otherwise. Check the last one under Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology †

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/

Thanks.

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 10:39 AM

I also read that SP1 should be installed. I've tried that and the computer went into to rebooting loop and I had to reformat. The only other things I can think of are SP2 and BIOS Flash.

What's wrong here?

CTSNKY · 08-23-2004, 11:04 AM

Cannot imagine what kind of problems you are concerned about creating with a BIOS updates. Certainly, read thru the release notes for each version they make available to insure no potential conflicts. This is usually a painless operation.

Otherwise, drop a post into the forums on the Asus site with the same question.

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 11:14 AM

I've never really done that yet. So, I guess I'm a bit shaky. I'll give it a try (with my limited knowledge of flashing bios.) Also, couldn't find any forum on asus' site yet.

Xtant · 08-23-2004, 11:33 AM

hmmm, are you sure it's a 2.4A? Board should autodetect the HT as soon as you power it up

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 11:37 AM

well, the box says it 2.4a and the guy who sold it to me said it's 2.4a. i'm convinced it is. is there any way other than this that i can confirm it?

Xtant · 08-23-2004, 12:31 PM

What's it have stamped on top of the CPU heatsink?

deepbluesand · 08-23-2004, 12:36 PM

have no clue. am at work, will check later at home and get back to you on that one. it should be on top of the proc right?

thanks guys.

Xtant · 08-23-2004, 03:02 PM

Yep right on top, might have to clean off thermal paste to read it

relgin · 08-23-2004, 03:16 PM

Why not download and run the Intel Processor Frequency & ID Utility which will identify which chip you have and what speed you are running it at. you can find it at:
http://support.intel.com/support/pro.../CS-007623.htm

There is also a Hyper-Threading Technology Test Utility from Intel. You can find it here:
http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri...ProductID=1687

Rich

deepbluesand · 08-24-2004, 04:41 AM

Ok, here are the results:

Intel(R) Processor Frequency ID Utility
Version: 7.1.20040716
Time Stamp: 2004/08/24 10:39:53
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40A GHz
Type: 0
Family: F
Model: 3
Stepping: 3
Revision: 3
L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops
L1 Data Cache: 16 KB
L2 Cache: 1 MB
Packaging: FC-PGA2
Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A
MMX(TM): Yes
SIMD: Yes
SIMD2: Yes
SIMD3: Yes
NetBurst(TM) Microarchitecture: Yes
Expected Processor Frequency: 2.40 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 2.40 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 533 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 533 MHz
*************************************************************

I already tried the Hyper-Threading Technology Test Utility

Results:
Processor test: Did not pass
Chipset test: Passed
BIOS test: Did not pass

?!?

Xtant · 08-24-2004, 08:20 AM

You do not have a HT CPU.

deepbluesand · 08-24-2004, 11:58 AM

Thanks. I'm beginning to believe you now. However, I still don't understand why the Intel site suggests that the 2.40A has HT.

Anyway, what are my options now? What is the next processor I can have on this motherboard that will support HT? Also, is HT really worth it? Does it really make a difference?

deepbluesand · 08-24-2004, 12:04 PM

I think I got my answer.

http://support.intel.com/support/pro.../CS-007991.htm

deepbluesand · 08-24-2004, 12:07 PM

But, do let me know what you guys think about HT itself? I use my pc just for the internet and games. Will it really help me? Is it worth it?

Xtant · 08-24-2004, 12:11 PM

HT is a pretty hotly debated topic amongst the techno geeks. Some find they get better performance with it disabled, some with it enabled. Some using 1.1 some using 1.4 versions of MP support. Is it worth ditching your CPU for, no. But if your going to get a new CPU and your motherboard supports it I think it's worth it.

deepbluesand · 08-24-2004, 12:25 PM

This pc is barely 2 weeks old. It's pretty fast too. Boots up under 30 seconds and all. I've got 512 DDR and 80 GB Seagate with 7200 RPM. I guess I'm just too caught up in this HT thing.

So, you reckon it's not worth it right?

I'm not that geeky I guess. I don't really know the terms 1.1, 1.4 etc.

08-23-2004, 09:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	HyperThreading... help! Hi, I have a Asus P4BP-MX (Intel 845GV) Series motherboard with a P4-2.40A GHz (533 FSB, L2 cache:1MB, 90nm) CPU. I have WinXP installed. However, the HyperThreading feature is not present in BIOS. I've updated the Intel Chipset to the latest version. Can someone help me out with this please? Thanks. Josh

08-23-2004, 10:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	HyperThreading... help! CTSNKY: The Motherboard manual simply says that I need to ensure HT is enabled in BIOS. About flashing the BIOS, I wanted to keep that as the last option as it might lead to other problems. Xtant: Are you sure? Because, the following link suggests otherwise. Check the last one under Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology † http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/ Thanks.

08-24-2004, 04:41 AM	#14 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	results Ok, here are the results: Intel(R) Processor Frequency ID Utility Version: 7.1.20040716 Time Stamp: 2004/08/24 10:39:53 Number of processors in system: 1 Current processor: #1 Processor Name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40A GHz Type: 0 Family: F Model: 3 Stepping: 3 Revision: 3 L1 Trace Cache: 12 Kµops L1 Data Cache: 16 KB L2 Cache: 1 MB Packaging: FC-PGA2 Platform Compatibility Guide: 04A MMX(TM): Yes SIMD: Yes SIMD2: Yes SIMD3: Yes NetBurst(TM) Microarchitecture: Yes Expected Processor Frequency: 2.40 GHz Reported Processor Frequency: 2.40 GHz Expected System Bus Frequency: 533 MHz Reported System Bus Frequency: 533 MHz ************************************************************* I already tried the Hyper-Threading Technology Test Utility Results: Processor test: Did not pass Chipset test: Passed BIOS test: Did not pass ?!?

08-24-2004, 08:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	You do not have a HT CPU. __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe rev2.1 Intel P4 3.0e @ 3.6 (240Mhz FSB/1.55vcore) Corsair XMS Pro DDR500 Seagate 120GB Barracuda SATA Maxtor 2x250GB SATA Plextor 40x CD-R eVGA FX6800 Ultra (450/1.21) Creative Labs Audigy Antec True Blue 480W PSU Antec P160 Window Case Coolermaster Hyper6/Vantec 92mm Tornado Swiftech MX-159 MCH Cooler Zalman ZM80D VGA Cooler Matrix Orbital MX412 LCD/Digi Baybus Controller

08-24-2004, 11:58 AM	#16 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	options? Thanks. I'm beginning to believe you now. However, I still don't understand why the Intel site suggests that the 2.40A has HT. Anyway, what are my options now? What is the next processor I can have on this motherboard that will support HT? Also, is HT really worth it? Does it really make a difference?

08-23-2004, 09:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
CTSNKY Knower of all that is MS Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,755 OS: (multiple machines) 95, 98, 2K & XP Home & Pro	Hmmmm....not much mention in the user manual is there? No evidence this ever was in the BIOS. I would ask if you have the most recent version flashed? The one on their web site is from 7/27/2004. May/may not help, but worth a try.

08-23-2004, 09:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	Your CPU isn't a HT CPU, that's why.

08-23-2004, 10:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	I also read that SP1 should be installed. I've tried that and the computer went into to rebooting loop and I had to reformat. The only other things I can think of are SP2 and BIOS Flash. What's wrong here?

08-23-2004, 11:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
CTSNKY Knower of all that is MS Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,755 OS: (multiple machines) 95, 98, 2K & XP Home & Pro	Cannot imagine what kind of problems you are concerned about creating with a BIOS updates. Certainly, read thru the release notes for each version they make available to insure no potential conflicts. This is usually a painless operation. Otherwise, drop a post into the forums on the Asus site with the same question.

08-23-2004, 11:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	I've never really done that yet. So, I guess I'm a bit shaky. I'll give it a try (with my limited knowledge of flashing bios.) Also, couldn't find any forum on asus' site yet.

08-23-2004, 11:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	hmmm, are you sure it's a 2.4A? Board should autodetect the HT as soon as you power it up

08-23-2004, 11:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	well, the box says it 2.4a and the guy who sold it to me said it's 2.4a. i'm convinced it is. is there any way other than this that i can confirm it?

08-23-2004, 12:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	What's it have stamped on top of the CPU heatsink?

08-23-2004, 12:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	have no clue. am at work, will check later at home and get back to you on that one. it should be on top of the proc right? thanks guys.

08-23-2004, 03:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	Yep right on top, might have to clean off thermal paste to read it

08-23-2004, 03:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
relgin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 50 OS: WIN/XP Pro	Why not download and run the Intel Processor Frequency & ID Utility which will identify which chip you have and what speed you are running it at. you can find it at: http://support.intel.com/support/pro.../CS-007623.htm There is also a Hyper-Threading Technology Test Utility from Intel. You can find it here: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri...ProductID=1687 Rich

08-24-2004, 12:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	I think I got my answer. http://support.intel.com/support/pro.../CS-007991.htm

08-24-2004, 12:07 PM	#18 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	Is HT really worth it? But, do let me know what you guys think about HT itself? I use my pc just for the internet and games. Will it really help me? Is it worth it? Last edited by deepbluesand; 08-24-2004 at 12:08 PM.

08-24-2004, 12:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
Xtant Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 144 OS: XP Pro	HT is a pretty hotly debated topic amongst the techno geeks. Some find they get better performance with it disabled, some with it enabled. Some using 1.1 some using 1.4 versions of MP support. Is it worth ditching your CPU for, no. But if your going to get a new CPU and your motherboard supports it I think it's worth it. __________________ Asus P4C800-E Deluxe rev2.1 Intel P4 3.0e @ 3.6 (240Mhz FSB/1.55vcore) Corsair XMS Pro DDR500 Seagate 120GB Barracuda SATA Maxtor 2x250GB SATA Plextor 40x CD-R eVGA FX6800 Ultra (450/1.21) Creative Labs Audigy Antec True Blue 480W PSU Antec P160 Window Case Coolermaster Hyper6/Vantec 92mm Tornado Swiftech MX-159 MCH Cooler Zalman ZM80D VGA Cooler Matrix Orbital MX412 LCD/Digi Baybus Controller

08-24-2004, 12:25 PM	#20 (permalink)
deepbluesand Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 21 OS: WinXP Pro	This pc is barely 2 weeks old. It's pretty fast too. Boots up under 30 seconds and all. I've got 512 DDR and 80 GB Seagate with 7200 RPM. I guess I'm just too caught up in this HT thing. So, you reckon it's not worth it right? I'm not that geeky I guess. I don't really know the terms 1.1, 1.4 etc.