Secondary HD problems (making primary unrecognized)

rpheckenkamp · 03-06-2005, 09:31 PM

The 160 GB capacity of my existing hard drive wasn't enough space, so I decided to take the 60 GB hard drive out of the tower sitting in my closet and install it as a secondary drive on this machine. Easy enough, right?

The 60 GB drive wasn't formatted. There were a few files on it that I hoped to scavage.

I'm a novice at this thing so...

I powered down, and plugged the 60 GB drive in. I set it as the SLAVE on the Primary IDE channel. The 160 GB was set as Master.

The MASETER is WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 (that is the number that is shown in the device manager. I plugged it into Google and appears to be the ID for the drive)

THe SLAVE is a 60.0GB AT Quantum Fierball Plus AS. It was pulled out of a tower that had been sitting in my closet. Wanted to use it as a secondary hard drive. It has Windows 98 on it.

With everything plugged in, (The IDE cable and the power cable) I started up. It gave me the error of needing to insert a floppy as a boot disk. Through experimenting, I have concluded a couple of things.

1) With the 60 GB as SLAVE, both the 160 GB (MASTER) and the 60 GB drives are not recognized in BIOS, thus asking for a boot disk.

2) With the 60 GB as MASTER and the 160 GB as SLAVE, the SLAVE is not recognized. I confirmed this in BIOS. The computer boots from the 60 GB drive with Windows 98 on it. It starts up, not recognizing anything that's in the machine. It thinks its still in the old tower and is giving all the "new hardware detected", which is understandable.

My overall conclusion is that when the 60 GB drive is inserted (both SLAVE or MASTER) it makes the 160 GB drive not recognized.

Any ideas?

TwistedBard · 03-06-2005, 10:13 PM

switch their places on the IDE cable.

bazcor · 03-07-2005, 03:13 AM

Mmm .. you seem to have covered most of the bases. You could try setting both drives to cable select?

Also some drives have two seperate jumper settings for a master on its own and a master with slave, perhaps you have one of these?

Good luck .. Barry

EDIT Just took a look at the WD site and it has a jumper setting for single master with no jumpers set and a Dual (master) setting, which is what you need. See

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....aW5ncw**&p_li=

rpheckenkamp · 03-07-2005, 02:32 PM

No luck...

Changing the jumpers appear to be making zero difference.

I've tried the following combinations:

Primary [MASTER] 5&6
Secondary [SLAVE] 3&4

Primary [MASTER] 1&2
Secondary [SLAVE] 1&2

Primary [MASTER] 5&6
Secondary [SLAVE] 1&2

Every time it gets me to the Insert Floppy to Boot error. In BIOs, it shows the Primary drive only, or neither. This is different from when it would only show the secondary, and not the primary.

**johnwill** · 03-07-2005, 03:39 PM

I suggest you check the jumpering on the master closely, WD had different jumpering for Master, and Master with a slave.

If you still can't get it to work, try putting it on the secondary IDE channel with the optical drive.

rpheckenkamp · 03-07-2005, 07:47 PM

I looked up the jumper configuration for the Secondary SLAVE, which has a different config than the Primary listed on that website.

With this, it is able to boot up off the Primary, which had never been able to do before. With the secondary hooked up, it always made the primary not recognized and the secondary recognized. With it in this configuration, the secondary now isn't showing up, even in BIOS.

**johnwill** · 03-08-2005, 02:56 PM

There are a few drives that don't play well together, hence my recommendation to try the second drive on the secondary IDE channel. Perhaps it'll play better with the optical drive.

03-08-2005, 03:31 PM

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure that you checked the ribbon cable like Twisted mentioned. The drive with jumpers set as master goes on the end (black connector) of the ribbon cable and the slave drive goes on the middle (gray connector) of the ribbon cable. If you follow the jumper settings that Johnwill gave you about Master with slave (Western Digital drive) and put them on the correct place on the cable, they should work.

03-06-2005, 09:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
rpheckenkamp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25 OS: XP	Secondary HD problems (making primary unrecognized) The 160 GB capacity of my existing hard drive wasn't enough space, so I decided to take the 60 GB hard drive out of the tower sitting in my closet and install it as a secondary drive on this machine. Easy enough, right? The 60 GB drive wasn't formatted. There were a few files on it that I hoped to scavage. I'm a novice at this thing so... I powered down, and plugged the 60 GB drive in. I set it as the SLAVE on the Primary IDE channel. The 160 GB was set as Master. The MASETER is WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0 (that is the number that is shown in the device manager. I plugged it into Google and appears to be the ID for the drive) THe SLAVE is a 60.0GB AT Quantum Fierball Plus AS. It was pulled out of a tower that had been sitting in my closet. Wanted to use it as a secondary hard drive. It has Windows 98 on it. With everything plugged in, (The IDE cable and the power cable) I started up. It gave me the error of needing to insert a floppy as a boot disk. Through experimenting, I have concluded a couple of things. 1) With the 60 GB as SLAVE, both the 160 GB (MASTER) and the 60 GB drives are not recognized in BIOS, thus asking for a boot disk. 2) With the 60 GB as MASTER and the 160 GB as SLAVE, the SLAVE is not recognized. I confirmed this in BIOS. The computer boots from the 60 GB drive with Windows 98 on it. It starts up, not recognizing anything that's in the machine. It thinks its still in the old tower and is giving all the "new hardware detected", which is understandable. My overall conclusion is that when the 60 GB drive is inserted (both SLAVE or MASTER) it makes the 160 GB drive not recognized. Any ideas?

03-06-2005, 10:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
TwistedBard Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nort Carolina Posts: 122 OS: XP SP2	switch their places on the IDE cable. __________________ The TwistedBard ASUS A8V Deluxe AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 512MB RAM GeForce 2Ti (old school, man! LOL) 80 GB WD Caviar SE SATA HDD

03-07-2005, 03:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
bazcor Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 12 OS: xp	Mmm .. you seem to have covered most of the bases. You could try setting both drives to cable select? Also some drives have two seperate jumper settings for a master on its own and a master with slave, perhaps you have one of these? Good luck .. Barry EDIT Just took a look at the WD site and it has a jumper setting for single master with no jumpers set and a Dual (master) setting, which is what you need. See http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....aW5ncw*&p_li= Last edited by bazcor; 03-07-2005 at 03:22 AM.*

03-07-2005, 02:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
rpheckenkamp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25 OS: XP	no luck No luck... Changing the jumpers appear to be making zero difference. I've tried the following combinations: Primary [MASTER] 5&6 Secondary [SLAVE] 3&4 Primary [MASTER] 1&2 Secondary [SLAVE] 1&2 Primary [MASTER] 5&6 Secondary [SLAVE] 1&2 Every time it gets me to the Insert Floppy to Boot error. In BIOs, it shows the Primary drive only, or neither. This is different from when it would only show the secondary, and not the primary.

03-07-2005, 03:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,654 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	I suggest you check the jumpering on the master closely, WD had different jumpering for Master, and Master with a slave. If you still can't get it to work, try putting it on the secondary IDE channel with the optical drive. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

03-07-2005, 07:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
rpheckenkamp Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 25 OS: XP	I looked up the jumper configuration for the Secondary SLAVE, which has a different config than the Primary listed on that website. With this, it is able to boot up off the Primary, which had never been able to do before. With the secondary hooked up, it always made the primary not recognized and the secondary recognized. With it in this configuration, the secondary now isn't showing up, even in BIOS.

03-08-2005, 02:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
johnwill Manager, Networking Forums Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania, US Posts: 41,654 OS: Windows 7, XP-Pro, Vista, Linux Blog Entries: 1	There are a few drives that don't play well together, hence my recommendation to try the second drive on the secondary IDE channel. Perhaps it'll play better with the optical drive. __________________ If TSF has helped you, Tell us about it! or Donate to help keep the site up! Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

03-08-2005, 03:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
mark3567 Guest Posts: n/a OS:	Hi, Just wanted to make sure that you checked the ribbon cable like Twisted mentioned. The drive with jumpers set as master goes on the end (black connector) of the ribbon cable and the slave drive goes on the middle (gray connector) of the ribbon cable. If you follow the jumper settings that Johnwill gave you about Master with slave (Western Digital drive) and put them on the correct place on the cable, they should work.