[SOLVED] IDE1 and IDE2 problem

MustGetOutMore · 06-15-2008, 06:39 AM

Hi All

This is my first post. So be gentle with me.

I have 4 Windows OSes on 4 different drives.
I use osl2000 multibooter, which presents a menu (after the post and bios have finished but before a windows loader gets called). This menu allows me to select a hard drive and then osl2000 boots up to that hard drive for me. This all works fine.

Now the problem.
I have hdd1 and hdd2 on the IDE1 cable (as marked on the MB).
I have hdd3 and hdd4 on the IDE2 cable (as marked on the MB).

When I boot up using hhd1 (on IDE1) I can see all 4 drives in Windows Explorer. Great.
When I boot up using hdd3 or hdd4 (on IDE2) I can only see hdd3 and hdd4 in Windows Explorer. Not so great.

In the past I was using the built in Windows dual boot method and had the same problem on this machine. In that case I only had two drives and the IDE2 boot would not let me see the IDE1 drive.

Has anyone come across this quirk/problem and know what I am talking about and maybe know how to deal with it? Is it just me?

Many thanks

**Deleted090308** · 06-15-2008, 10:10 PM

Welcome to TSF.

What operating systems are installed? Where (HDD) are they installed?
File systems used?

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 08:45 AM

IDE-1 MASTER C: = WIN 2000 PRO SP4 = NTFS = 72GB DESKSTAR
IDE-1 SLAVE D: = DATA ONLY = NTFS = 30GB SAMSUNG
IDE-2 MASTER E: = WIN XP PRO = NTFS = 40GB MAXTOR
IDE-2 SLAVE F: = WIN 98 UPGRADE EDITION = FAT32 = 31GB FUJITSU

MB=ATHLON XP 1800+ 720MB RAM

BIOS SETTINGS
ALL DRIVES SET TO AUTO DETECT
1ST BOOT DEVICE = FLOPPY
2ND BOOT DEVICE = IDE 0

I earlier booted to IDE-1 Win2000 and all 4 drives are showing in Explorer.
I have just booted to IDE-2 XP. In Windows Explorer I can only see the XP and Win98 drives.
However, still in XP, I have looked in device manager and all 4 drives are listed.

Thanks for looking at the problem.

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 08:55 AM

I just booted into Win98. Only the 98 drive shows in Explorer. Sorry I mislead you on the first post where I said I can see the 98 and XP drive from an IDE-2 Win 98 boot. All four drives show in device manager in Win 98 as well.

Steve

**Deleted090308** · 06-16-2008, 09:34 AM

Windows 98 can't "see" NTFS partitions - so nothing strange there.

But... XP on IDE-2 should be able to see all partitions in "My computer".
Boot that XP installation and have a look in Disk management - are all partitions visible there?

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 12:02 PM

Yes, Disk Management lists all 4 disk drives. They are all online and 'healthy active', and XP is 'healthy system'.

**Deleted090308** · 06-16-2008, 12:05 PM

Good. Try rewriting the partition tables on the IDE-1 drives.
Follow the steps here: http://www.techsupportforum.com/1163140-post1.html
Do that from the XP installation on IDE-2.

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 12:40 PM

Hi Eneles.
Forgive me for being a bit wary and seemingly questioning your good advice. The Win2000 machine on IDE-1 is a crucial developer machine and it takes a couple of days to reinstall everything from a format, so I am nervous of changing any low level stuff on the drive. The Win2000 drive works fine when I boot up to it. So, if it boots up fine can the partition table still be corrupt ? In this next step am I just going to run TestDisk in order to just test and see if there is anything wrong with the partition table ? Sorry to question you, but I can't afford to lose anything just now.

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 01:27 PM

I decided to trust TestDisk. I run it from XP and looked at the drives I am not seeing on IDE-1.
The Data drive (no OS) drive is shown as * hid. HPFS/NTFS in TestDisk.
The Win2000 drive is shown as * hid. HPFS/NTFS in TestDisk

MustGetOutMore · 06-16-2008, 02:15 PM

I ran TestDisk and did a WRITE to the partition table, but ONLY on the IDE-1 'Data Only' drive. I'm still too scared to do it on the IDE-1 Win2000 drive. Anyway, after doing that the 'Data Only' drive does not show in a Win XP boot.

**Deleted090308** · 06-16-2008, 09:55 PM

No need to apologize - I'd be hesitant too.

The only thing that'll be altered is the MFT, but on second thought that can't be the problem if everything looks OK in Disk management.

Please post a screenshot of XP's Disk management.

How to post a screenshot.

Have you tried opening the C: and D: drives from a command prompt?

MustGetOutMore · 06-17-2008, 01:17 AM

Cannot access the two drives drives via the Command prompt ("The system cannot find the drive specified.").

MustGetOutMore · 06-17-2008, 01:38 AM

If this is any help ...
I ran TestDisk via XP (on IDE-2) and the IDE-1 drives I could not see were marked *.hid in the Partition column in TestDisk.
I ran TestDisk via Win2000 (on IDE-1) and the IDE-1 drives do not have the ".hid" marker in the Partition column in TestDisk.

**Deleted090308** · 06-17-2008, 08:30 AM

Try assigning drive letters to drive 0 and 1 (right click in Disk management).

MustGetOutMore · 06-17-2008, 04:36 PM

Those options are greyed out in Disk Management.

**Deleted090308** · 06-17-2008, 10:26 PM

Have a look in device manager (enable "Show hidden devices" in the View menu).
Any yellow or red "marks" in device manager?

Under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers >> uninstall the Primary IDE channel.
Reboot and let Windows reinstall the channel.

MustGetOutMore · 06-18-2008, 02:44 AM

There are no reds or yellows in Device Manager. I uninstalled the Primary IDE channel and rebooted. I did not get the 'found new hardware' message and went straight into the desktop screen as normal. Primary channel is showing in Device Manager. I looked in Disk Manager and all things are the same.

**Deleted090308** · 06-18-2008, 08:46 AM

Very strange...

Device manager >> Disk drives >> Right click disk 0 (80GB? Deskstar?) >> Properties >> Volumes >> Populate.

Repeat with Disk 1.

BTW - the disk capacities in Disk management aren't the same as the ones you posted in #3.

MustGetOutMore · 06-19-2008, 02:37 AM

Apologies for being loose about the hard drive sizes, I just did them off the top of my head. I quickly named the backup drive as 40GB in error a couple of years ago, and have not bothered to change it. Also, Windows, Dos and the Bios all seem to report different sizes.

MustGetOutMore · 06-19-2008, 02:40 AM

Oops, the post got chopped.

I'll upload the populated volume sceenshots.

06-15-2008, 06:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	[SOLVED] IDE1 and IDE2 problem Hi All This is my first post. So be gentle with me. I have 4 Windows OSes on 4 different drives. I use osl2000 multibooter, which presents a menu (after the post and bios have finished but before a windows loader gets called). This menu allows me to select a hard drive and then osl2000 boots up to that hard drive for me. This all works fine. Now the problem. I have hdd1 and hdd2 on the IDE1 cable (as marked on the MB). I have hdd3 and hdd4 on the IDE2 cable (as marked on the MB). When I boot up using hhd1 (on IDE1) I can see all 4 drives in Windows Explorer. Great. When I boot up using hdd3 or hdd4 (on IDE2) I can only see hdd3 and hdd4 in Windows Explorer. Not so great. In the past I was using the built in Windows dual boot method and had the same problem on this machine. In that case I only had two drives and the IDE2 boot would not let me see the IDE1 drive. Has anyone come across this quirk/problem and know what I am talking about and maybe know how to deal with it? Is it just me? Many thanks

06-15-2008, 10:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Welcome to TSF. What operating systems are installed? Where (HDD) are they installed? File systems used?

06-16-2008, 08:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem IDE-1 MASTER C: = WIN 2000 PRO SP4 = NTFS = 72GB DESKSTAR IDE-1 SLAVE D: = DATA ONLY = NTFS = 30GB SAMSUNG IDE-2 MASTER E: = WIN XP PRO = NTFS = 40GB MAXTOR IDE-2 SLAVE F: = WIN 98 UPGRADE EDITION = FAT32 = 31GB FUJITSU MB=ATHLON XP 1800+ 720MB RAM BIOS SETTINGS ALL DRIVES SET TO AUTO DETECT 1ST BOOT DEVICE = FLOPPY 2ND BOOT DEVICE = IDE 0 I earlier booted to IDE-1 Win2000 and all 4 drives are showing in Explorer. I have just booted to IDE-2 XP. In Windows Explorer I can only see the XP and Win98 drives. However, still in XP, I have looked in device manager and all 4 drives are listed. Thanks for looking at the problem.

06-16-2008, 08:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem I just booted into Win98. Only the 98 drive shows in Explorer. Sorry I mislead you on the first post where I said I can see the 98 and XP drive from an IDE-2 Win 98 boot. All four drives show in device manager in Win 98 as well. Steve

06-16-2008, 09:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Windows 98 can't "see" NTFS partitions - so nothing strange there. But... XP on IDE-2 should be able to see all partitions in "My computer". Boot that XP installation and have a look in Disk management - are all partitions visible there?

06-16-2008, 12:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Yes, Disk Management lists all 4 disk drives. They are all online and 'healthy active', and XP is 'healthy system'.

06-16-2008, 12:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Good. Try rewriting the partition tables on the IDE-1 drives. Follow the steps here: http://www.techsupportforum.com/1163140-post1.html Do that from the XP installation on IDE-2.

06-16-2008, 12:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Hi Eneles. Forgive me for being a bit wary and seemingly questioning your good advice. The Win2000 machine on IDE-1 is a crucial developer machine and it takes a couple of days to reinstall everything from a format, so I am nervous of changing any low level stuff on the drive. The Win2000 drive works fine when I boot up to it. So, if it boots up fine can the partition table still be corrupt ? In this next step am I just going to run TestDisk in order to just test and see if there is anything wrong with the partition table ? Sorry to question you, but I can't afford to lose anything just now.

06-16-2008, 01:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem I decided to trust TestDisk. I run it from XP and looked at the drives I am not seeing on IDE-1. The Data drive (no OS) drive is shown as * hid. HPFS/NTFS in TestDisk. The Win2000 drive is shown as * hid. HPFS/NTFS in TestDisk

06-16-2008, 02:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem I ran TestDisk and did a WRITE to the partition table, but ONLY on the IDE-1 'Data Only' drive. I'm still too scared to do it on the IDE-1 Win2000 drive. Anyway, after doing that the 'Data Only' drive does not show in a Win XP boot.

06-16-2008, 09:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem No need to apologize - I'd be hesitant too. The only thing that'll be altered is the MFT, but on second thought that can't be the problem if everything looks OK in Disk management. Please post a screenshot of XP's Disk management. How to post a screenshot. Have you tried opening the C: and D: drives from a command prompt?

06-17-2008, 01:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem If this is any help ... I ran TestDisk via XP (on IDE-2) and the IDE-1 drives I could not see were marked *.hid in the Partition column in TestDisk. I ran TestDisk via Win2000 (on IDE-1) and the IDE-1 drives do not have the ".hid" marker in the Partition column in TestDisk.

06-17-2008, 08:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Try assigning drive letters to drive 0 and 1 (right click in Disk management).

06-17-2008, 04:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Those options are greyed out in Disk Management.

06-17-2008, 10:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Have a look in device manager (enable "Show hidden devices" in the View menu). Any yellow or red "marks" in device manager? Under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers >> uninstall the Primary IDE channel. Reboot and let Windows reinstall the channel.

06-18-2008, 02:44 AM	#17 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem There are no reds or yellows in Device Manager. I uninstalled the Primary IDE channel and rebooted. I did not get the 'found new hardware' message and went straight into the desktop screen as normal. Primary channel is showing in Device Manager. I looked in Disk Manager and all things are the same.

06-18-2008, 08:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Deleted090308 Not... Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 22,277 OS: Xp	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Very strange... Device manager >> Disk drives >> Right click disk 0 (80GB? Deskstar?) >> Properties >> Volumes >> Populate. Repeat with Disk 1. BTW - the disk capacities in Disk management aren't the same as the ones you posted in #3.

06-19-2008, 02:37 AM	#19 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Apologies for being loose about the hard drive sizes, I just did them off the top of my head. I quickly named the backup drive as 40GB in error a couple of years ago, and have not bothered to change it. Also, Windows, Dos and the Bios all seem to report different sizes.

06-19-2008, 02:40 AM	#20 (permalink)
MustGetOutMore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 16 OS: 2000 sp4	Re: IDE1 and IDE2 problem Oops, the post got chopped. I'll upload the populated volume sceenshots.