Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] thread

chrisj13 · 04-15-2008, 03:39 PM

Hi everyone,

I saw that someone had a similiar error message as me, and the problem was resolved. Unfortunately, I am still receiving errors.

I am running winxp sp2 and have two hard drives. They have run perfectly fine for around 4 years. Recently, I noticed that a case fan was dead, so I replaced the fan and took out an old floppy drive. Upon plugging everything back in, I found that my boot process would freeze on "Detecting IDE drives". When I disconnected the secondary IDE, I could get into windows, but the computer runs 50% slower and the audio crackles whenever files are opened.

Next, I opened up the case again and saw that my old IDE cable was a bit frayed in spots, so I decided to replace it with an ATA133 dual device cable.

Now, I can still only boot into Windows when only the primary IDE is hooked up, but when I use the secondary HD I get the error message in the thread subject.

I originally thought that maybe the secondary drive died, but why would the first HD act up as well. Is there a setting I can fix? It's frustrating when both hard drives worked for years.

michaeldrivas1 · 04-15-2008, 03:45 PM

Ok I would make sure you didn't bend any pins on any of the drives or slots on motherboard when you attached the cable.... make sure you shut off the floppy in the bios. Just some simple things to check first!

chrisj13 · 04-15-2008, 04:00 PM

I will go ahead and do that now. I will report back in a bit.

chrisj13 · 05-05-2008, 06:42 PM

Ok, sorry for the delay. I had exams...

I looked closer at my primary HD, and one of the PINS on the HD was broken off. I guess that explains the the computer acting up. I discarded the HD with a broken pin and tried to take my slave and install winXP on it.

Unfortunately, it is still acting like it did before. As soon as I boot up, the computer freezes on "Detecting IDE Drives" and eventually says "Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed"

A few things. I have a brand new IDE cable, and the HD is a Western Digital, WD Caviar, 60GB. I have tried the jumper settings for Master and for Single and neither work, as well. Also, just to save some time, I am using the BLACK IDE input for the drive, so everything SHOULD work.

Anyone have any ideas? I find it unlikely that by replacing a fan I somehow physically destroyed 2 hard drives. I was hoping my limit was one destroyed drive...

chrisj13 · 05-05-2008, 06:47 PM

I am now in the BIOS, and Auto-Detect is saying the Capacity is 8455 MB. Weird.

**eneles** · 05-06-2008, 03:56 AM

Hi,
Run the WD drive with no jumper(s).

Clear CMOS:
Get rid of static electricity by touching a radiator or bare metal on the computer case.
Then unplug the computer from the wall outlet and open the case.
Remove the little "coin-like" battery on the motherboard.
Move the "clear CMOS" jumper on the motherboard from pins 1&2 to pins 2&3.
Wait 30 minutes.
Replace the jumper to pins 1&2.
Put the battery back.
Close the case and start the computer.
Enter BIOS and choose "Load setup defaults" (or something similar) - save and exit BIOS.

chrisj13 · 05-06-2008, 04:57 AM

Thanks for the info. What does the Clear CMOS jumper look like? Is it next to the battery?

**eneles** · 05-06-2008, 05:31 AM

Yes, it's usually located close to the battery (3 pins).
Removing the battery for 30 minutes should be enough - remember to unplug the computer.

TheShadowFl · 05-06-2008, 08:18 AM

Be aware....that there are two distinct types of IDE cables.
There is a cable (either 40 or 80 conductor ) that is designed for cable select, where the drive on the end of the cable will be the master and the drive on the center connector will be the slave.
Many of those cables are actually labeled in Black Ink to denote which connector is which.

Then when two drives are connected, both drives must have their jumpers set to "Cable Select" (CS).

There is also a straight thru cable. When two drives are used on such a cable the two drives must be jumpered, "Master" and "Slave".
If both drives on such a cable are set to "CS", the mobo won't know which one is the master and which one is the slave. The system probably won't boot.

The 80 conductor cable MUST be used on ATA 133 drives to attain maximum speed in data transfer with the drive.

Never, replace an 80 conductor cable with a 40 conductor cable.
The 40 conductor cables should be used on CD/DVD drives only.

If you remove a floppy drive, it must also be removed in the Bios Setup and drive boot order, or trouble will ensue.
That's just a word from experience.

Good Luck,
The Shadow

chrisj13 · 05-06-2008, 05:40 PM

Had battery out for 2 hours or so, and changed the CMOS jumper settings to 2/3 and back to 1/2.

When I turned it on, it froze at Detecting IDE drives again. I went into the BIOS and Set BIOS defaults, fixing the floppy start up options since I don't have a floppy drive.

Now, I turn it on, and the computer does a long beep, waits 5 seconds, and beeps again, repeat.

Should I take out the battery again?

**eneles** · 05-06-2008, 11:06 PM

No, taking the battery out won't help.

Please post the system specifications, including the power supply.
You'll find the PSU info on the "box" inside the case.
If you have a HP, Dell etc,, it's enough to post the model name.

Get rid of static electricity by touching a radiator or bare metal on the computer case.
Then unplug the computer from the wall outlet and open the case.
Reseat the RAM stick(s) and the video card (if you have one).

chrisj13 · 05-07-2008, 04:23 AM

Hi,

By re-resetting the BIOS by taking out the battery, I am no longer getting the beeping noise. I don't know what I did the first time, but the PC didn't like it.

Right now I have the HD jumper set to cable select, and I only have HDD-0 set as an option in the BIOS. (No CD-Rom, Floppy, etc). At this point, it still takes 10 minutes to get past the Detecting IDE Drives message, but the final error message tells me to insert a system disk.

I am just confused as to why my 30 GB old drive still works with a broken pin, but the one that seems to be intact won't boot.

chrisj13 · 05-07-2008, 04:26 AM

Also, this is the IDE cable I bought, which also works with the old HD.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/50...e_-_Black.html

**eneles** · 05-07-2008, 04:54 AM

The cable looks OK.
Remove the jumper from the WD drive if it's alone on the cable.

chrisj13 · 05-07-2008, 05:09 AM

Eneles,

In your knowledgeable opinion, what is the percentage likelihood that the hard drive is somehow ruined?

I will take out the jumper and report back.

**eneles** · 05-07-2008, 05:14 AM

That's impossible to say, I'm afraid.
How old is the drive?

chrisj13 · 05-07-2008, 05:26 AM

The one with the broken pin (WD 30GB) is from 2000, and the one that won't boot (WD 60GB) is from 2003. Both are really old, but I just can't believe I destroyed them by re-arranging the wires to install a new fan.

04-15-2008, 03:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] thread Hi everyone, I saw that someone had a similiar error message as me, and the problem was resolved. Unfortunately, I am still receiving errors. I am running winxp sp2 and have two hard drives. They have run perfectly fine for around 4 years. Recently, I noticed that a case fan was dead, so I replaced the fan and took out an old floppy drive. Upon plugging everything back in, I found that my boot process would freeze on "Detecting IDE drives". When I disconnected the secondary IDE, I could get into windows, but the computer runs 50% slower and the audio crackles whenever files are opened. Next, I opened up the case again and saw that my old IDE cable was a bit frayed in spots, so I decided to replace it with an ATA133 dual device cable. Now, I can still only boot into Windows when only the primary IDE is hooked up, but when I use the secondary HD I get the error message in the thread subject. I originally thought that maybe the secondary drive died, but why would the first HD act up as well. Is there a setting I can fix? It's frustrating when both hard drives worked for years.

04-15-2008, 03:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
michaeldrivas1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 301 OS: win xp	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Ok I would make sure you didn't bend any pins on any of the drives or slots on motherboard when you attached the cable.... make sure you shut off the floppy in the bios. Just some simple things to check first! Last edited by michaeldrivas1 : 04-15-2008 at 03:49 PM.

04-15-2008, 04:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th I will go ahead and do that now. I will report back in a bit.

05-05-2008, 06:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Ok, sorry for the delay. I had exams... I looked closer at my primary HD, and one of the PINS on the HD was broken off. I guess that explains the the computer acting up. I discarded the HD with a broken pin and tried to take my slave and install winXP on it. Unfortunately, it is still acting like it did before. As soon as I boot up, the computer freezes on "Detecting IDE Drives" and eventually says "Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed" A few things. I have a brand new IDE cable, and the HD is a Western Digital, WD Caviar, 60GB. I have tried the jumper settings for Master and for Single and neither work, as well. Also, just to save some time, I am using the BLACK IDE input for the drive, so everything SHOULD work. Anyone have any ideas? I find it unlikely that by replacing a fan I somehow physically destroyed 2 hard drives. I was hoping my limit was one destroyed drive...

05-05-2008, 06:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th I am now in the BIOS, and Auto-Detect is saying the Capacity is 8455 MB. Weird.

05-06-2008, 03:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 18,671 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Hi, Run the WD drive with no jumper(s). Clear CMOS: Get rid of static electricity by touching a radiator or bare metal on the computer case. Then unplug the computer from the wall outlet and open the case. Remove the little "coin-like" battery on the motherboard. Move the "clear CMOS" jumper on the motherboard from pins 1&2 to pins 2&3. Wait 30 minutes. Replace the jumper to pins 1&2. Put the battery back. Close the case and start the computer. Enter BIOS and choose "Load setup defaults" (or something similar) - save and exit BIOS. __________________

05-06-2008, 04:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Thanks for the info. What does the Clear CMOS jumper look like? Is it next to the battery?

05-06-2008, 05:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 18,671 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Yes, it's usually located close to the battery (3 pins). Removing the battery for 30 minutes should be enough - remember to unplug the computer. __________________

05-06-2008, 08:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
TheShadowFl Retired PC Builder Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 150 OS: XP-SP3, Vista Ult.	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Be aware....that there are two distinct types of IDE cables. There is a cable (either 40 or 80 conductor ) that is designed for cable select, where the drive on the end of the cable will be the master and the drive on the center connector will be the slave. Many of those cables are actually labeled in Black Ink to denote which connector is which. Then when two drives are connected, both drives must have their jumpers set to "Cable Select" (CS). There is also a straight thru cable. When two drives are used on such a cable the two drives must be jumpered, "Master" and "Slave". If both drives on such a cable are set to "CS", the mobo won't know which one is the master and which one is the slave. The system probably won't boot. The 80 conductor cable MUST be used on ATA 133 drives to attain maximum speed in data transfer with the drive. Never, replace an 80 conductor cable with a 40 conductor cable. The 40 conductor cables should be used on CD/DVD drives only. If you remove a floppy drive, it must also be removed in the Bios Setup and drive boot order, or trouble will ensue. That's just a word from experience. Good Luck, The Shadow __________________ A person with experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument.

05-06-2008, 05:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Had battery out for 2 hours or so, and changed the CMOS jumper settings to 2/3 and back to 1/2. When I turned it on, it froze at Detecting IDE drives again. I went into the BIOS and Set BIOS defaults, fixing the floppy start up options since I don't have a floppy drive. Now, I turn it on, and the computer does a long beep, waits 5 seconds, and beeps again, repeat. Should I take out the battery again?

05-06-2008, 11:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 18,671 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th No, taking the battery out won't help. Please post the system specifications, including the power supply. You'll find the PSU info on the "box" inside the case. If you have a HP, Dell etc,, it's enough to post the model name. Get rid of static electricity by touching a radiator or bare metal on the computer case. Then unplug the computer from the wall outlet and open the case. Reseat the RAM stick(s) and the video card (if you have one). __________________

05-07-2008, 04:23 AM	#12 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Hi, By re-resetting the BIOS by taking out the battery, I am no longer getting the beeping noise. I don't know what I did the first time, but the PC didn't like it. Right now I have the HD jumper set to cable select, and I only have HDD-0 set as an option in the BIOS. (No CD-Rom, Floppy, etc). At this point, it still takes 10 minutes to get past the Detecting IDE Drives message, but the final error message tells me to insert a system disk. I am just confused as to why my 30 GB old drive still works with a broken pin, but the one that seems to be intact won't boot.

05-07-2008, 04:26 AM	#13 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Also, this is the IDE cable I bought, which also works with the old HD. http://www.frozencpu.com/products/50...e_-_Black.html

05-07-2008, 04:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 18,671 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th The cable looks OK. Remove the jumper from the WD drive if it's alone on the cable. __________________ Last edited by eneles : 05-07-2008 at 04:56 AM.

05-07-2008, 05:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th Eneles, In your knowledgeable opinion, what is the percentage likelihood that the hard drive is somehow ruined? I will take out the jumper and report back.

05-07-2008, 05:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
eneles Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sweden/Denmark Posts: 18,671 OS: 98SE/XP SP3/Vista SP1/Ubuntu 8.04	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th That's impossible to say, I'm afraid. How old is the drive? __________________

05-07-2008, 05:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
chrisj13 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 22 OS: XP SP2	Re: Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed (Different from [CLOSED] th The one with the broken pin (WD 30GB) is from 2000, and the one that won't boot (WD 60GB) is from 2003. Both are really old, but I just can't believe I destroyed them by re-arranging the wires to install a new fan.