HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS - Page 2

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 12:38 PM

well ill be back later g2g

dai · 02-23-2008, 12:50 PM

i am going off line as well

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 04:55 PM

alright back
still no reply from Western Digital
so i guess ima just wait till monday

**TheShadowFl** · 02-23-2008, 05:21 PM

Brandon,
The first rule of SATA drives that the one on the first SATA port is the Boot drive.
If your old drive is NOT on the first port....PUT IT There, before you do anything else.
With only ONE drive in the system, the motherboard will automatically boot from the first drive it sees, no matter which port it's on.
Then you can have storage drives on the higher numbered ports with no problem.
You should be able to format that new drive from within windows. Just find it in My Computer and right click it, then click on Format.....follow the prompts.
Windows will automatically format it as NTFS.

Good Luck,
Shadow

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 07:48 PM

shadow
i cant boot up any more even if i disconnect my new storage drive
i found out that my pc is detecting my new drive
im not sure if this is right but heres some information that may be useful

1st boot device: CDROM
2nd boot device: Hard Disk
2nd boot device: diabled
boot from other device: enabled

heres other ****

IDE channel 0 master none
IDE channel 0 slave none
IDE channel 1 master none
IDE channel 1 slave LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5 (i think this is my cd drive)
IDE channel 2 master ST380817AS (this is my 80gig HD)
IDE channel 3 master none
Floppy Drive A none
Halt on All Errors

all the information i just posted is with my new HD disconnected
tell me if anything is wrong, and ill change it in the bios

**mack1** · 02-23-2008, 10:02 PM

Hi Brandon,
Let me see if I can help you a little. The stuff you just posted is good. Note that ide 0 has master and slave places and ide 1 has master and slave places. Those are the two flat cables I mentioned in my first post. You only have one device connected to a flat cable and it is your CD rom. Note also that the BIOS lists it as a slave.(not good) Since it is the only device on that cable, it should be jumpered as a master. On the back of the CD rom, there is a place to jumper it to be a master, slave, or other. The jumper is just a little flat shorting bar that fits across two pins. Use your finger nails or tweezers, or neddle nose pliars to move the jumper over to the master shorting place. That will make it a master on that cable and that is important.
Notice that your boot order has the CD rom as the first boot item. After you make the CD rom a master, the system will probably time out and GO PAST THAT POINT TO YOUR HARD DRIVE and try to boot on it. If all is well, it will boot on the hard drive at that point. Notice also that ide 2 has only one item, as does ide 3. That says that those items are SATA (serial ata type devices). Also notice that 2 is a master (your hard drive). This is good and says that after the boot process gets past the cd rom, it will boot on the hard drive.
If it will not boot on the hard drive, you will need to find your XP disk. This was mentioned to you earlier in someone's post and you didn't understand why you needed it. You need it if you can't get to your XP files on your hard drive. It will let you do a repair install that will probably fix any problem you have at present. Or let you go to a recovery console where you can implement repairs.
See if this will help you. Post any results you might get.

And have a nice night.

**mack1** · 02-23-2008, 10:15 PM

Brandon,
I overlooked one item. Change that "halt on all errors" to something else. I don't recall all the options, but I think there is a "halt on keyboard only" that would be ok.

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 10:36 PM

ok
i do not have the xp disk
sorry
even if i remove all the cords on the new HD why wont it work
its so gay
well ill try some other sstuff and if it dont work them screw it ill have to wait

**mack1** · 02-23-2008, 11:16 PM

Don't get discouraged Brandon
Do this.
Get into the BIOS.
Change the boot order.
First Boot Device Hard Drive
Second Boot Device CDrom.

Change Halt on all errors to Halt on Keyboard.

Exit and SAVE.

Let the computer try to boot.

Answer back and tell me what you get.

**mack1** · 02-23-2008, 11:43 PM

Ok Brandon.
We have all been where you are now. Also we are all trying to help.
I think your computer is hanging up on the cdrom during the boot process since it is seen by your system as the first boot device and a SLAVE.
Change that. Make the first boot device the hard drive. Do this in the BIOS. Your computer will start booting again and you will be happy.
It is OK that you can't find your XP cd. Sorry that this side tracks you for your problem.
Have a nice day.

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 11:50 PM

ok ima try it now
and see what happens
then ima sleep

brandonengell · 02-23-2008, 11:52 PM

no it dont work
and the halt keyboad thing is halt on all but keyboard

**TheShadowFl** · 02-25-2008, 08:24 AM

One problem with SATA drives that bites many a user in the ****, is that the little red data cable will come loose from the drive just enough to break connection and cause the drive to fail. The newest cables on the newest drives will sort of snap into position, but the older or generic cables don't. This failure has plagued me till I got smart and HOT-Glued the connector onto the drive. That completely STOPPED the connector from coming loose and solved my 'dead drive' problem.

All new SATA2 drives, today, are coming out with the 150 speed jumper already installed on the back of the drive, for compatibility with older motherboards. This will be a very small white or light grey shorting block covering two little gold pins. The drive will work OK on a SATA2 port on the mobo, but will only run at 150 speed (SATA1) and NOT 300 speed (SATA2 speed).
If your motherboard has SATA2 ports on it, the jumper must be removed before the drive is installed, IF you want it to run at the much faster SATA2 speed.
Unless you have very long finger nails, you'll probably need tweezers or some other small tool to remove the shorting jumper.

On my own PC, I have two sata2 drives installed. The one on the first sata2 port is my Windows XP drive and is the default boot drive. The drive on port #2 is my Vista drive.
I have to tap F11 during boot up and select the second drive, from the Boot Menu, in order to boot into Vista. It's the simplest and safest way to have two OS's on the same computer where neither one will interfere with the other.

Well, I hope you either get it all sorted out, or get it to a tech that can fix it for you.
Remember, you'll never be able to use that new drive till it's Formatted.

Recheck all your cable connections to make sure they are Tight.

Good Luck,
The Shadow

02-23-2008, 12:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp well ill be back later g2g

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brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS alright back still no reply from Western Digital so i guess ima just wait till monday

02-23-2008, 05:21 PM	#24 (permalink)
TheShadowFl TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 290 OS: XP-SP3, Vista Ult. 64, Win-7/64	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS Brandon, The first rule of SATA drives that the one on the first SATA port is the Boot drive. If your old drive is NOT on the first port....PUT IT There, before you do anything else. With only ONE drive in the system, the motherboard will automatically boot from the first drive it sees, no matter which port it's on. Then you can have storage drives on the higher numbered ports with no problem. You should be able to format that new drive from within windows. Just find it in My Computer and right click it, then click on Format.....follow the prompts. Windows will automatically format it as NTFS. Good Luck, Shadow __________________ A person with experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument.

02-23-2008, 07:48 PM	#25 (permalink)
brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS shadow i cant boot up any more even if i disconnect my new storage drive i found out that my pc is detecting my new drive im not sure if this is right but heres some information that may be useful 1st boot device: CDROM 2nd boot device: Hard Disk 2nd boot device: diabled boot from other device: enabled heres other **** IDE channel 0 master none IDE channel 0 slave none IDE channel 1 master none IDE channel 1 slave LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5 (i think this is my cd drive) IDE channel 2 master ST380817AS (this is my 80gig HD) IDE channel 3 master none Floppy Drive A none Halt on All Errors all the information i just posted is with my new HD disconnected tell me if anything is wrong, and ill change it in the bios

02-23-2008, 10:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
mack1 TSF Articles Team Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts: 1,245 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS Hi Brandon, Let me see if I can help you a little. The stuff you just posted is good. Note that ide 0 has master and slave places and ide 1 has master and slave places. Those are the two flat cables I mentioned in my first post. You only have one device connected to a flat cable and it is your CD rom. Note also that the BIOS lists it as a slave.(not good) Since it is the only device on that cable, it should be jumpered as a master. On the back of the CD rom, there is a place to jumper it to be a master, slave, or other. The jumper is just a little flat shorting bar that fits across two pins. Use your finger nails or tweezers, or neddle nose pliars to move the jumper over to the master shorting place. That will make it a master on that cable and that is important. Notice that your boot order has the CD rom as the first boot item. After you make the CD rom a master, the system will probably time out and GO PAST THAT POINT TO YOUR HARD DRIVE and try to boot on it. If all is well, it will boot on the hard drive at that point. Notice also that ide 2 has only one item, as does ide 3. That says that those items are SATA (serial ata type devices). Also notice that 2 is a master (your hard drive). This is good and says that after the boot process gets past the cd rom, it will boot on the hard drive. If it will not boot on the hard drive, you will need to find your XP disk. This was mentioned to you earlier in someone's post and you didn't understand why you needed it. You need it if you can't get to your XP files on your hard drive. It will let you do a repair install that will probably fix any problem you have at present. Or let you go to a recovery console where you can implement repairs. See if this will help you. Post any results you might get. And have a nice night.

02-23-2008, 10:15 PM	#27 (permalink)
mack1 TSF Articles Team Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts: 1,245 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS Brandon, I overlooked one item. Change that "halt on all errors" to something else. I don't recall all the options, but I think there is a "halt on keyboard only" that would be ok.

02-23-2008, 10:36 PM	#28 (permalink)
brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS ok i do not have the xp disk sorry even if i remove all the cords on the new HD why wont it work its so gay well ill try some other sstuff and if it dont work them screw it ill have to wait

02-23-2008, 11:16 PM	#29 (permalink)
mack1 TSF Articles Team Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts: 1,245 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS Don't get discouraged Brandon Do this. Get into the BIOS. Change the boot order. First Boot Device Hard Drive Second Boot Device CDrom. Change Halt on all errors to Halt on Keyboard. Exit and SAVE. Let the computer try to boot. Answer back and tell me what you get.

02-23-2008, 11:43 PM	#30 (permalink)
mack1 TSF Articles Team Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Texarkana, Texas Posts: 1,245 OS: xp sp3 My System	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS Ok Brandon. We have all been where you are now. Also we are all trying to help. I think your computer is hanging up on the cdrom during the boot process since it is seen by your system as the first boot device and a SLAVE. Change that. Make the first boot device the hard drive. Do this in the BIOS. Your computer will start booting again and you will be happy. It is OK that you can't find your XP cd. Sorry that this side tracks you for your problem. Have a nice day.

02-23-2008, 11:50 PM	#31 (permalink)
brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS ok ima try it now and see what happens then ima sleep

02-23-2008, 11:52 PM	#32 (permalink)
brandonengell Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 139 OS: xp	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS no it dont work and the halt keyboad thing is halt on all but keyboard Last edited by brandonengell; 02-23-2008 at 11:54 PM.

02-25-2008, 08:24 AM	#33 (permalink)
TheShadowFl TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Central Florida Posts: 290 OS: XP-SP3, Vista Ult. 64, Win-7/64	Re: HELP! hard drive problem with winxp[MOVED FROM WINDOWS One problem with SATA drives that bites many a user in the ****, is that the little red data cable will come loose from the drive just enough to break connection and cause the drive to fail. The newest cables on the newest drives will sort of snap into position, but the older or generic cables don't. This failure has plagued me till I got smart and HOT-Glued the connector onto the drive. That completely STOPPED the connector from coming loose and solved my 'dead drive' problem. All new SATA2 drives, today, are coming out with the 150 speed jumper already installed on the back of the drive, for compatibility with older motherboards. This will be a very small white or light grey shorting block covering two little gold pins. The drive will work OK on a SATA2 port on the mobo, but will only run at 150 speed (SATA1) and NOT 300 speed (SATA2 speed). If your motherboard has SATA2 ports on it, the jumper must be removed before the drive is installed, IF you want it to run at the much faster SATA2 speed. Unless you have very long finger nails, you'll probably need tweezers or some other small tool to remove the shorting jumper. On my own PC, I have two sata2 drives installed. The one on the first sata2 port is my Windows XP drive and is the default boot drive. The drive on port #2 is my Vista drive. I have to tap F11 during boot up and select the second drive, from the Boot Menu, in order to boot into Vista. It's the simplest and safest way to have two OS's on the same computer where neither one will interfere with the other. Well, I hope you either get it all sorted out, or get it to a tech that can fix it for you. Remember, you'll never be able to use that new drive till it's Formatted. Recheck all your cable connections to make sure they are Tight. Good Luck, The Shadow __________________ A person with experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument.