Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's

clinton · 04-12-2007, 08:06 PM

PC:

P4 3.0GHZ HT
2GB RAM
9600XT 256 Video
2x DVD RW LG Drives
1x 250GB Sata2 Drive - 2x Paritions - C: o/s
1x 300GB Samsung IDE drive 1x Partition - Movies

Since the 2nd hdd has been put into my machine it slows down the whole system to basic grinding hault whenever I access anything on the 2nd hard drive. With having movies on it, the machine plays these movies very slowly, sometimes half the speed needed and seems to be worse with the bigger files that it plays (higher khz)

These problems are non existant when the 2nd HDD is removed.

Also takes my PC nearly three times longer to boot up from startup.

Can anyone help?

pt121984 · 04-12-2007, 08:15 PM

Have you tried going into the Bios and where you set it to SATA, try setting it to SATA + PATA to see if it helps. You didn't say what board you have, but in my Asus P5DGC it has this option and might help, you can always go back and set it back to SATA only. Also, I had this exact problem when I installed more then 1 SATA drive on that same board I mentioned before and a Bios Flash completely cleared it up.

Patrick

clinton · 04-12-2007, 08:20 PM

Give me 2 mins and I'll have a quick look.

BRB

geek73 · 04-12-2007, 08:24 PM

Howdy Clinton and Welcome to TSF,

Also what rating is your power supply? If it only does this when your second hard drive is put in may be over exerting it.

clinton · 04-12-2007, 08:35 PM

Power supply is a Atrix 650T which is 600watt

Motherboard is a Asus PSP800

Can't find where it wants me to change those above options in setup.

clinton · 04-12-2007, 08:53 PM

Sorry, this is my board here:

http://au.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1...66&modelmenu=1

pt121984 · 04-12-2007, 08:56 PM

It's under IDE Configuration on the main page. Onboard IDE Operate mode. Under Enhanced Mode Support On. It is right there. It should be set to SATA, but you also have the option to set to SATA + Pata. I set mine to this but it made no difference, but the Bios Update did.

What Bios revision are you running?

Patrick

dai · 04-12-2007, 09:20 PM

check the drive is running in dma mode

clinton · 04-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Thanks for all your help gents.

Changed it to sata + pata mode and it changed nothing. Will try the DMA mode, how is this achieved?

dai · 04-12-2007, 09:32 PM

in the device manager go into properties for the drive and tick the box
enable dma when available
go deeper into the properties box and check what it is running as
dma or pio

pt121984 · 04-12-2007, 09:35 PM

Which Bios revision are you running?

Patrick

clinton · 04-12-2007, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dai

in the device manager go into properties for the drive and tick the box
enable dma when available
go deeper into the properties box and check what it is running as
dma or pio

There is no option in device manage that lets you select that :(

pt121984 · 04-12-2007, 09:45 PM

Under IDE ATA/Atapi Controllers. Open that and then go to the IDE Channel your hard drive is on and you will find it.

Patrick

dai · 04-12-2007, 09:46 PM

you double click on the drives listing

clinton · 04-12-2007, 10:08 PM

They're all set to use dma when available.

If it helps...

It is first noticeably slow when it has finished checking the S.M.A.R.T on the bios.

No idea whatsoever what version of bios I'm running. Which is the easyest way to find out?

dai · 04-12-2007, 11:55 PM

it will be listed on the bottom of one of the post screens or use this
http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php

clinton · 04-13-2007, 01:30 AM

General Information :
Manufacturer : ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
Product : P5P800
Version : Rev 1.xx
Serial Number : MB-1234567890
Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s)
Version MPS : 1.1

Chassis Information :
Manufacturer : Chassis Manufacture
Type : Desktop
Version : Chassis Version
Serial Number : Chassis Serial Number
Asset : Asset-1234567890

Sensor Information :
Monitoring Chip : Winbond W83627EHF/EHG

On-Board Device Information :
Device : Marvell 88E8001 (Ethernet)

Slots Information :
Slot AGP 8X : In Use (32-bit) 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v
Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v

External Connectors :
Mouse : PS/2
Keyboard : PS/2
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
USB : Access Bus (USB)
Parallel ECP/EPP : DB25 male
Serial 16550A Compatible : DB-9 male
Serial 16550A Compatible : DB-9 male
MIDI : DB-15 female
Joystick : DB-15 female
Audio : Mini-jack (headphones)
Audio : Mini-jack (headphones)
Audio : Mini-jack (headphones)
Network : RJ-45

clinton · 04-13-2007, 01:32 AM

General Information :
SMART : Version 1.1
IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller
IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller

Informations Hard Disk WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1 :
Model : WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1
Serial Number : WD-WCANK2704041
Revision : 10.02E02
Serial ATA : Yes
Serial ATA version : 2.0
Support : ATA/ATAPI-7
Size : 250 GB
Cache : 8 192 KB
ECC Size : 50
Multiple Sector : 16
IORDY : Yes
LBA Mode : Yes
DMA Mode : Yes
TCQ Mode : No
NCQ Mode : Yes
Multiword DMA Mode : 2
PIO Mode : PIO 4
UDMA Mode max. : 6 (ATA-133)
UDMA Mode Enabled : 5 (ATA-100)
SMART : Yes - Enabled
Power Management : Yes
Acoustic Management : Yes
Security Mode : Yes
Trusted Computing : No
Write Cache : Yes
48-bit Address : Yes
Cylinders : 484521
Heads : 16
Sectors per Track : 63

SMART Information Disk pcwraid :
Health : 100% (estimated)
Performance : 96% (estimated)

Raw Read Error Rate (01) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253)
Spin Up Time (03) : 01F40 (Threshold : 015 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Start/Stop Count (04) : 001BB (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Reallocated Sector Count (05) : 00000 (Threshold : 010 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Seek Error Rate (07) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Seek Time Performance (08) : 00000 (Threshold : 015 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Power On Hours Count (09) : 00427 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Spin Retry Count (0A) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Calibration Retry Count (0B) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Power Cycle Count (0C) : 00116 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
(BE) : 00014 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 069 - Max : 080)
Temperature (C2) : 00014 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 145 - Max : 178)
Hardware ECC Recovered (C3) : 01BA2 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Reallocation Event Count (C4) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Current Pending Sector Count (C5) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Cou... 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253)
Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate (C7) : 00028 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Write Error Rate (C8) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253)
(C9) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253)

SMART Information Disk WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1 :
Health : 99% (estimated)
Performance : 90% (estimated)

Raw Read Error Rate (01) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Spin Up Time (03) : 00F8F (Threshold : 021 - Worst : 193 - Max : 220)
Start/Stop Count (04) : 0028C (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Reallocated Sector Count (05) : 00000 (Threshold : 140 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Seek Error Rate (07) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Power On Hours Count (09) : 00C20 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 096 - Max : 096)
Spin Retry Count (0A) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Calibration Retry Count (0B) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
Power Cycle Count (0C) : 00284 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100)
(BE) : 00030 (Threshold : 045 - Worst : 025 - Max : 052)
Temperature (C2) : 00030 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 075 - Max : 102)
Reallocation Event Count (C4) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Current Pending Sector Count (C5) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Cou... 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate (C7) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)
Write Error Rate (C8) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200)

Partitions :
Hard Disk #1 : Partition #1 (279 GB)
Hard

geek73 · 04-13-2007, 07:24 AM

JUst a suggestion but turn smart off.. Dont need it and is usally never curate..

dai · 04-13-2007, 11:17 AM

when you added the second h/d did you reset the jumper on the first drive to master with slave

04-12-2007, 08:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's PC: P4 3.0GHZ HT 2GB RAM 9600XT 256 Video 2x DVD RW LG Drives 1x 250GB Sata2 Drive - 2x Paritions - C: o/s 1x 300GB Samsung IDE drive 1x Partition - Movies Since the 2nd hdd has been put into my machine it slows down the whole system to basic grinding hault whenever I access anything on the 2nd hard drive. With having movies on it, the machine plays these movies very slowly, sometimes half the speed needed and seems to be worse with the bigger files that it plays (higher khz) These problems are non existant when the 2nd HDD is removed. Also takes my PC nearly three times longer to boot up from startup. Can anyone help?

04-12-2007, 08:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
pt121984 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 144 OS: Win XP My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Have you tried going into the Bios and where you set it to SATA, try setting it to SATA + PATA to see if it helps. You didn't say what board you have, but in my Asus P5DGC it has this option and might help, you can always go back and set it back to SATA only. Also, I had this exact problem when I installed more then 1 SATA drive on that same board I mentioned before and a Bios Flash completely cleared it up. Patrick Last edited by pt121984; 04-12-2007 at 08:17 PM.

04-12-2007, 08:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Give me 2 mins and I'll have a quick look. BRB

04-12-2007, 08:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
geek73 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 694 OS: SuSe Linux My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Howdy Clinton and Welcome to TSF, Also what rating is your power supply? If it only does this when your second hard drive is put in may be over exerting it. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-12-2007, 08:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Power supply is a Atrix 650T which is 600watt Motherboard is a Asus PSP800 Can't find where it wants me to change those above options in setup.

04-12-2007, 08:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Sorry, this is my board here: http://au.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1...66&modelmenu=1

04-12-2007, 08:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
pt121984 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 144 OS: Win XP My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's It's under IDE Configuration on the main page. Onboard IDE Operate mode. Under Enhanced Mode Support On. It is right there. It should be set to SATA, but you also have the option to set to SATA + Pata. I set mine to this but it made no difference, but the Bios Update did. What Bios revision are you running? Patrick Last edited by pt121984; 04-12-2007 at 08:59 PM.

04-12-2007, 09:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 53,622 OS: vista 32x 64x ultimate retail	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's check the drive is running in dma mode __________________

04-12-2007, 09:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Thanks for all your help gents. Changed it to sata + pata mode and it changed nothing. Will try the DMA mode, how is this achieved?

04-12-2007, 09:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 53,622 OS: vista 32x 64x ultimate retail	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's in the device manager go into properties for the drive and tick the box enable dma when available go deeper into the properties box and check what it is running as dma or pio __________________

04-12-2007, 09:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
pt121984 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 144 OS: Win XP My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Which Bios revision are you running? Patrick

04-12-2007, 09:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
pt121984 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 144 OS: Win XP My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's Under IDE ATA/Atapi Controllers. Open that and then go to the IDE Channel your hard drive is on and you will find it. Patrick

04-12-2007, 09:46 PM	#14 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 53,622 OS: vista 32x 64x ultimate retail	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's you double click on the drives listing __________________

04-12-2007, 10:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's They're all set to use dma when available. If it helps... It is first noticeably slow when it has finished checking the S.M.A.R.T on the bios. No idea whatsoever what version of bios I'm running. Which is the easyest way to find out? Last edited by clinton; 04-12-2007 at 10:09 PM.

04-12-2007, 11:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 53,622 OS: vista 32x 64x ultimate retail	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's it will be listed on the bottom of one of the post screens or use this http://www.cpuid.com/pcwizard.php __________________

04-13-2007, 01:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's General Information : Manufacturer : ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Product : P5P800 Version : Rev 1.xx Serial Number : MB-1234567890 Support MP : Yes, 1 CPU(s) Version MPS : 1.1 Chassis Information : Manufacturer : Chassis Manufacture Type : Desktop Version : Chassis Version Serial Number : Chassis Serial Number Asset : Asset-1234567890 Sensor Information : Monitoring Chip : Winbond W83627EHF/EHG On-Board Device Information : Device : Marvell 88E8001 (Ethernet) Slots Information : Slot AGP 8X : In Use (32-bit) 3.3v Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v Slot PCI : Available (32-bit) 5.0v, 3.3v External Connectors : Mouse : PS/2 Keyboard : PS/2 USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) USB : Access Bus (USB) Parallel ECP/EPP : DB25 male Serial 16550A Compatible : DB-9 male Serial 16550A Compatible : DB-9 male MIDI : DB-15 female Joystick : DB-15 female Audio : Mini-jack (headphones) Audio : Mini-jack (headphones) Audio : Mini-jack (headphones) Network : RJ-45

04-13-2007, 01:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
clinton Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 OS: xp	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's General Information : SMART : Version 1.1 IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) EIDE Controller IDE Controller : Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller Informations Hard Disk WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1 : Model : WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1 Serial Number : WD-WCANK2704041 Revision : 10.02E02 Serial ATA : Yes Serial ATA version : 2.0 Support : ATA/ATAPI-7 Size : 250 GB Cache : 8 192 KB ECC Size : 50 Multiple Sector : 16 IORDY : Yes LBA Mode : Yes DMA Mode : Yes TCQ Mode : No NCQ Mode : Yes Multiword DMA Mode : 2 PIO Mode : PIO 4 UDMA Mode max. : 6 (ATA-133) UDMA Mode Enabled : 5 (ATA-100) SMART : Yes - Enabled Power Management : Yes Acoustic Management : Yes Security Mode : Yes Trusted Computing : No Write Cache : Yes 48-bit Address : Yes Cylinders : 484521 Heads : 16 Sectors per Track : 63 SMART Information Disk pcwraid : Health : 100% (estimated) Performance : 96% (estimated) Raw Read Error Rate (01) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253) Spin Up Time (03) : 01F40 (Threshold : 015 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Start/Stop Count (04) : 001BB (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Reallocated Sector Count (05) : 00000 (Threshold : 010 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Seek Error Rate (07) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Seek Time Performance (08) : 00000 (Threshold : 015 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Power On Hours Count (09) : 00427 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Spin Retry Count (0A) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Calibration Retry Count (0B) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Power Cycle Count (0C) : 00116 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) (BE) : 00014 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 069 - Max : 080) Temperature (C2) : 00014 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 145 - Max : 178) Hardware ECC Recovered (C3) : 01BA2 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Reallocation Event Count (C4) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Current Pending Sector Count (C5) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Cou... 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 253 - Max : 253) Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate (C7) : 00028 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Write Error Rate (C8) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253) (C9) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 253) SMART Information Disk WDC WD2500JS-22NCB1 : Health : 99% (estimated) Performance : 90% (estimated) Raw Read Error Rate (01) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Spin Up Time (03) : 00F8F (Threshold : 021 - Worst : 193 - Max : 220) Start/Stop Count (04) : 0028C (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Reallocated Sector Count (05) : 00000 (Threshold : 140 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Seek Error Rate (07) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Power On Hours Count (09) : 00C20 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 096 - Max : 096) Spin Retry Count (0A) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Calibration Retry Count (0B) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) Power Cycle Count (0C) : 00284 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 100 - Max : 100) (BE) : 00030 (Threshold : 045 - Worst : 025 - Max : 052) Temperature (C2) : 00030 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 075 - Max : 102) Reallocation Event Count (C4) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Current Pending Sector Count (C5) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Cou... 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate (C7) : 00000 (Threshold : 000 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Write Error Rate (C8) : 00000 (Threshold : 051 - Worst : 200 - Max : 200) Partitions : Hard Disk #1 : Partition #1 (279 GB) Hard

04-13-2007, 07:24 AM	#19 (permalink)
geek73 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 694 OS: SuSe Linux My System	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's JUst a suggestion but turn smart off.. Dont need it and is usally never curate.. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-13-2007, 11:17 AM	#20 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 53,622 OS: vista 32x 64x ultimate retail	Re: Very Slow PC with 2x HDD's when you added the second h/d did you reset the jumper on the first drive to master with slave __________________