lets see your rig - Page 64

**TheMatt** · 03-29-2008, 10:18 PM

It is an industry standard, but IMO it puts too much weight on CPU performance. The CPU's performance plays less and less of a role in modern graphics processing believe it or not.

Even if it is overclocked, then it could still have a large performance difference over the 8800GTS. (Would you disregard the performance difference between an E6300 @ 1.83GHz and an E6800 @ 2.93GHz just because they are clocked at different speeds?) We also don't know what process the 9800GTX is on (although one would presume it is on a process tech smaller than the 65nm of the 8800GTS) so it could very well be more power efficient. Additionally, it may have a more effective cooler for its reference design (maybe a heatpipe in there like in the 8800GTX).

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dont mind him hes just sad because he thought there might be a chance ati could pull ahead again lol

Umm...no comment.

Thething · 03-30-2008, 07:30 AM

Hi guys

Here is my rig, a few shots of the outside and of the inside, sorry for the poor quality of the pics but i dont have a digital camera so i used my phone

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Btw i know the inside cabling is a bit of a mess but havent got round to tidying it yet

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**forcifer** · 03-30-2008, 08:40 AM

heh yea might want to tidy the cables up a bit. other then that looks good :)

the 9800GTX is built on the G92 core, which is 65nm everywhere. for cooling, maybe but from the pics ive seen it doesnt look too much like it. and even if it was, i would get a good, $70 cool and save over $100 overall and overclock it to the exact same specs

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Originally Posted by TheMatt

It is an industry standard, but IMO it puts too much weight on CPU performance. The CPU's performance plays less and less of a role in modern graphics processing believe it or not.

Even if it is overclocked, then it could still have a large performance difference over the 8800GTS. (Would you disregard the performance difference between an E6300 @ 1.83GHz and an E6800 @ 2.93GHz just because they are clocked at different speeds?)

it just isnt overclocked enough. and the 2 benches i showed had the exact same proc in them, the 8800GTS had a more ram (4gb vs 2gb) but ram doesnt come that much into a factor. the e6300 and e6800 the only difference is a multiplier, which one would pay for because it makes overcocking so much easier. however, you cant really factor a multiplier into gpu overclocking. as for the speed difference, i would probably buy i e6300. thats what most people do that have a budget and know how to overclock.

for the ati thing, i never said anything about ATI im only comparing the 8800GTS to the 9800GTX... the 8800GTS is a great card. you cant take that away. however, the 9800GTX is all but a waste in my eyes...

**TheMatt** · 03-30-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thething

Hi guys

Here is my rig, a few shots of the outside and of the inside, sorry for the poor quality of the pics but i dont have a digital camera so i used my phone

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Btw i know the inside cabling is a bit of a mess but havent got round to tidying it yet

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How many fans in that thing?

Forcifer, I think I missed the boat there.

From looking at the specs now, all I can say is "what was nVidia thinking?

" The 9800GTX has less TMUs and not even a 384-bit memory bus like the 8800GTX. It's not even on a smaller process tech.

Now I agree with you.

EDIT: but ahah! meh 7600gs pwns all ur cardz!
http://www.gpureview.com/the-asus-n7...ticle-653.html

Thething · 03-31-2008, 02:25 AM

My comp has 7 120mm case fans, 4 on the side bracket, 1 at the back, 1 at the front and 1 at the top. Im kinda obsessed with cooling although it isnt that loud

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Btw one thing i find a little puzzling with Ati graphics cards. How come they perform around the same level as, or surpassed by the Nvidia cards when the Ati cards have more pixel pipelines and higher GPU clock speeds? Just seems strange

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**forcifer** · 03-31-2008, 03:37 PM

1 word: drivers

**TheMatt** · 03-31-2008, 07:46 PM

Actually its the fact that the drivers don't quite match up to the architecture of the card. All nVidia cards have whats called a scalar pipeline, however starting with the ATI/AMD HD 2k series, the cards had a superscalar x5 pipeline. What this means is that the pipeline has to be full with 5 operations before any of them can be executed. This proved to be the major bottleneck in the new DX10 architecture of ATI/AMD. If they had stuck to the standard scalar architecture like nVidia, they would be way ahead. I compliment them on trying, but the fact that they can't match their drivers to the new architecture is their problem.

**forcifer** · 03-31-2008, 07:57 PM

drivers for both nvidia and ATI have really not been good recently. those cards could probably get to 50k in 3dmark 06 but the drivers just dont utilize the power nearly as much as they should

Thething · 04-01-2008, 12:57 AM

Ah that makes sense, thanks for the answers. Lets just hope ATI dont make the same mistake with the 4870

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**forcifer** · 04-01-2008, 04:53 AM

there really isnt much wrong the 3870. not as much as there was with the 2900XT.nvidia is messing up right now with the 9800GTX by just renaming old 8800GTS 512. at least ATI never did that :P

French-Zavier92 · 04-01-2008, 07:55 AM

**forcifer** · 04-01-2008, 01:59 PM

nicely done! looks great :) coils ftw

jaggerwild · 04-01-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by forcifer

dont get the 9800GTX all it is is an 8800GTS 512 oced.

You were right! Thank You!
I'll wait for the 9900 series while the rebadge continues for now

**forcifer** · 04-01-2008, 05:30 PM

:) doing what i can

Thething · 04-02-2008, 10:53 AM

Very nice French Zavier 92, cool looking system, what spec is it out of curiosity?

I wanna try water cooling eventually but idk how to set it up properly and im also kinda paranoid about it leaking and damaging components.

I like the teddy on the front of the system, hehe.

03-30-2008, 07:30 AM	#1262 (permalink)
Thething Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Vista 64 Bit Home Premium	Re: lets see your rig Hi guys Here is my rig, a few shots of the outside and of the inside, sorry for the poor quality of the pics but i dont have a digital camera so i used my phone. Btw i know the inside cabling is a bit of a mess but havent got round to tidying it yet. __________________ Asus maximus extreme motherboard, Intel QX9650Quad Core CPU 3Ghz, Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro CPU cooler, 4GB Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM, MSI ATI Radeon HD3870x2 Graphics Card, 3x 320GB Hard Drives, 1000Watt Coolermaster M1000 PSU, Coolermaster stacker 830 Case, 24 Inch Monitor, Creative Itrigue 2.1 Speakers, Vista 64bit home premium. Last edited by Thething : 03-30-2008 at 07:50 AM.

03-31-2008, 02:25 AM	#1265 (permalink)
Thething Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Vista 64 Bit Home Premium	Re: lets see your rig My comp has 7 120mm case fans, 4 on the side bracket, 1 at the back, 1 at the front and 1 at the top. Im kinda obsessed with cooling although it isnt that loud. Btw one thing i find a little puzzling with Ati graphics cards. How come they perform around the same level as, or surpassed by the Nvidia cards when the Ati cards have more pixel pipelines and higher GPU clock speeds? Just seems strange. __________________ Asus maximus extreme motherboard, Intel QX9650Quad Core CPU 3Ghz, Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro CPU cooler, 4GB Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM, MSI ATI Radeon HD3870x2 Graphics Card, 3x 320GB Hard Drives, 1000Watt Coolermaster M1000 PSU, Coolermaster stacker 830 Case, 24 Inch Monitor, Creative Itrigue 2.1 Speakers, Vista 64bit home premium.

03-31-2008, 03:37 PM	#1266 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,483 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: lets see your rig 1 word: drivers __________________ im back...i guess...

03-31-2008, 07:46 PM	#1267 (permalink)
TheMatt Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,615 OS: Windows 3.1, 98, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: lets see your rig Actually its the fact that the drivers don't quite match up to the architecture of the card. All nVidia cards have whats called a scalar pipeline, however starting with the ATI/AMD HD 2k series, the cards had a superscalar x5 pipeline. What this means is that the pipeline has to be full with 5 operations before any of them can be executed. This proved to be the major bottleneck in the new DX10 architecture of ATI/AMD. If they had stuck to the standard scalar architecture like nVidia, they would be way ahead. I compliment them on trying, but the fact that they can't match their drivers to the new architecture is their problem. __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides Last edited by TheMatt : 03-31-2008 at 07:47 PM.

03-31-2008, 07:57 PM	#1268 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,483 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: lets see your rig drivers for both nvidia and ATI have really not been good recently. those cards could probably get to 50k in 3dmark 06 but the drivers just dont utilize the power nearly as much as they should __________________ im back...i guess...

04-01-2008, 12:57 AM	#1269 (permalink)
Thething Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Vista 64 Bit Home Premium	Re: lets see your rig Ah that makes sense, thanks for the answers. Lets just hope ATI dont make the same mistake with the 4870. __________________ Asus maximus extreme motherboard, Intel QX9650Quad Core CPU 3Ghz, Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro CPU cooler, 4GB Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM, MSI ATI Radeon HD3870x2 Graphics Card, 3x 320GB Hard Drives, 1000Watt Coolermaster M1000 PSU, Coolermaster stacker 830 Case, 24 Inch Monitor, Creative Itrigue 2.1 Speakers, Vista 64bit home premium.

04-01-2008, 04:53 AM	#1270 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,483 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: lets see your rig there really isnt much wrong the 3870. not as much as there was with the 2900XT.nvidia is messing up right now with the 9800GTX by just renaming old 8800GTS 512. at least ATI never did that :P __________________ im back...i guess...

04-01-2008, 07:55 AM	#1271 (permalink)
French-Zavier92 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: France Posts: 8 OS: Win XP sp2 My System	Re: lets see your rig

04-01-2008, 01:59 PM	#1272 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,483 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: lets see your rig nicely done! looks great :) coils ftw __________________ im back...i guess...

04-01-2008, 05:30 PM	#1274 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,483 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: lets see your rig :) doing what i can __________________ im back...i guess...

04-02-2008, 10:53 AM	#1275 (permalink)
Thething Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 164 OS: Windows Vista 64 Bit Home Premium	Re: lets see your rig Very nice French Zavier 92, cool looking system, what spec is it out of curiosity? I wanna try water cooling eventually but idk how to set it up properly and im also kinda paranoid about it leaking and damaging components. I like the teddy on the front of the system, hehe. __________________ Asus maximus extreme motherboard, Intel QX9650Quad Core CPU 3Ghz, Arctic cooling freezer 7 pro CPU cooler, 4GB Corsair DDR3 1333 RAM, MSI ATI Radeon HD3870x2 Graphics Card, 3x 320GB Hard Drives, 1000Watt Coolermaster M1000 PSU, Coolermaster stacker 830 Case, 24 Inch Monitor, Creative Itrigue 2.1 Speakers, Vista 64bit home premium.