TheMatt

It is an industry standard, but IMO it puts too much weight on CPU performance. The CPU's performance plays less and less of a role in modern graphics processing believe it or not.

Even if it is overclocked, then it could still have a large performance difference over the 8800GTS. (Would you disregard the performance difference between an E6300 @ 1.83GHz and an E6800 @ 2.93GHz just because they are clocked at different speeds?) We also don't know what process the 9800GTX is on (although one would presume it is on a process tech smaller than the 65nm of the 8800GTS) so it could very well be more power efficient. Additionally, it may have a more effective cooler for its reference design (maybe a heatpipe in there like in the 8800GTX).

Umm...no comment.

Thething

Hi guys

Here is my rig, a few shots of the outside and of the inside, sorry for the poor quality of the pics but i dont have a digital camera so i used my phone.

Btw i know the inside cabling is a bit of a mess but havent got round to tidying it yet.

forcifer

heh yea might want to tidy the cables up a bit. other then that looks good :)

the 9800GTX is built on the G92 core, which is 65nm everywhere. for cooling, maybe but from the pics ive seen it doesnt look too much like it. and even if it was, i would get a good, $70 cool and save over $100 overall and overclock it to the exact same specs
it just isnt overclocked enough. and the 2 benches i showed had the exact same proc in them, the 8800GTS had a more ram (4gb vs 2gb) but ram doesnt come that much into a factor. the e6300 and e6800 the only difference is a multiplier, which one would pay for because it makes overcocking so much easier. however, you cant really factor a multiplier into gpu overclocking. as for the speed difference, i would probably buy i e6300. thats what most people do that have a budget and know how to overclock.

for the ati thing, i never said anything about ATI im only comparing the 8800GTS to the 9800GTX... the 8800GTS is a great card. you cant take that away. however, the 9800GTX is all but a waste in my eyes...

TheMatt

How many fans in that thing?

Forcifer, I think I missed the boat there.

From looking at the specs now, all I can say is "what was nVidia thinking? " The 9800GTX has less TMUs and not even a 384-bit memory bus like the 8800GTX. It's not even on a smaller process tech.

Now I agree with you.

EDIT: but ahah! meh 7600gs pwns all ur cardz!
http://www.gpureview.com/the-asus-n7...ticle-653.html

Thething

My comp has 7 120mm case fans, 4 on the side bracket, 1 at the back, 1 at the front and 1 at the top. Im kinda obsessed with cooling although it isnt that loud.

Btw one thing i find a little puzzling with Ati graphics cards. How come they perform around the same level as, or surpassed by the Nvidia cards when the Ati cards have more pixel pipelines and higher GPU clock speeds? Just seems strange.

forcifer

1 word: drivers

TheMatt

Actually its the fact that the drivers don't quite match up to the architecture of the card. All nVidia cards have whats called a scalar pipeline, however starting with the ATI/AMD HD 2k series, the cards had a superscalar x5 pipeline. What this means is that the pipeline has to be full with 5 operations before any of them can be executed. This proved to be the major bottleneck in the new DX10 architecture of ATI/AMD. If they had stuck to the standard scalar architecture like nVidia, they would be way ahead. I compliment them on trying, but the fact that they can't match their drivers to the new architecture is their problem.

forcifer

drivers for both nvidia and ATI have really not been good recently. those cards could probably get to 50k in 3dmark 06 but the drivers just dont utilize the power nearly as much as they should

Thething

Ah that makes sense, thanks for the answers. Lets just hope ATI dont make the same mistake with the 4870.

forcifer

there really isnt much wrong the 3870. not as much as there was with the 2900XT.nvidia is messing up right now with the 9800GTX by just renaming old 8800GTS 512. at least ATI never did that :P

French-Zavier92

forcifer

nicely done! looks great :) coils ftw

jaggerwild

You were right! Thank You!
I'll wait for the 9900 series while the rebadge continues for now

forcifer

:) doing what i can

Thething

Very nice French Zavier 92, cool looking system, what spec is it out of curiosity?

I wanna try water cooling eventually but idk how to set it up properly and im also kinda paranoid about it leaking and damaging components.

I like the teddy on the front of the system, hehe.

French-Zavier92

I updated my signature Thething

TheMatt

Beautifully done FZ!

HawMan

I just helped a buddy choose parts for his PC, Ill need to try and get some pics of it ( Antec 900 Case ). Ill also get him to do some benchmarking :P

Heres the specs, Along with the P35 DS4 Motherboard ( His 3DMark didnt give him a score just now lol ).

forcifer

i cant see your score =/

HawMan

12490 Was his score, All on stock. Nothing special, huh