Flourinert/Flutec

**stressfreesoul** · 07-22-2008, 07:04 AM

Im thinking big.
I always do.
Its probably my downfall.
But I dont care.

With that out the way... Has anyone any exp working with Flutec PP6, or even better, is there anyone who knows where I can buy some? Its looking likely I'll need about 5-7 litres. Prices and sources are a must.

Its for my next project.

**stressfreesoul** · 07-28-2008, 04:04 PM

No-one?

**WereBo** · 07-30-2008, 06:57 AM

Sorry Stressfreesoul, I'd never heard of the stuff until your post and Google only had 159 entries about it.

You're needing 5-7 litres? Are you thinking of trying what I think you're thinking of trying??? i.e. a 'total immersion' case?

MyKobalt · 07-31-2008, 12:14 AM

I think Doc Brown got it from the Libyans

**stressfreesoul** · 07-31-2008, 03:17 AM

Yes, but inside a case. So, to build a normal ATX case from perspex (or a solid equivalent) with drives sealed in a way that wont let the liquid in, but still allow it to draw heat away. I have read many hundreds of pages on how effective Flutec and Flourinert are. Problem is, there arent many sources for it as its mainly still in industrial use. As it is so good under these uses, I'd prefer to use either of these two (as opposed to mineral oil, or whatever it is people have tried) as it can be classed as a permanent solution to cooling your PC (When combined with a minature refridgeration unit and small pump for circulation) whilst being out of this world in looks and techmod prowess.

**stressfreesoul** · 07-31-2008, 03:18 AM

and that was Plutonium MyKobalt

**WereBo** · 07-31-2008, 02:46 PM

It seems a brilliant idea and could create some phenomenal effects with strategically placed CCFL and/or LED lights, depending on the liquid's colour. The drive(s) shouldn't really present much of a problem, mount them above the 'liquid box' and just have a slot in the top of the box for the ribbon(s) to pass through - seal with silicone or equivalent sealer for safety.

The only main problem that leaps to mind, is sealing all the sockets to the outside world on the various boards - that could be a bit tricky

**magnethead** · 07-31-2008, 11:38 PM

thats what i was thinking. In theory, having a computer based inside an aquarium (basically your complete idea?) would be good on cooling...but most liquids are conductors.

**stressfreesoul** · 08-01-2008, 05:02 AM

Not Flourinert. It has been endlessly developed to be non conductive, whilst still useful. Its clear like water, but water floats on top if poured over (higher density).
For the HDDs, I was thinking of a sealed clamshell, possibly like this one (obviously would have to be made completely watertight).
As for the connectors, It wouldn't be difficult to extend the reach of the external connectors by re-soldering them on the end of suitable extender cables, which would be mounted on the back of the 'tank'. I have the logistics sorted, even down to drawings and schematics, its just getting hold of the flourinert/flutec. As far as I have learned, its quite widely utilised in certain scientific fields and industrial environments (one use is for cleaning oils with an added detergent, as it doesnt leave any remnants when it evaporates{leaving components as they were from new}).
Anyone know where I can buy some?

**WereBo** · 08-01-2008, 07:57 AM

Apparently, it's only commercially available in quantities of 1Kg and above from here.

I dread to think what the cost would be though

**magnethead** · 08-01-2008, 10:27 AM

well, you could situate the mobo flat in a 6" pan of water so theres 2" of water below and 4" above, and have the HDD and CD drive above the fluid line....then the cables would reach.

**stressfreesoul** · 08-02-2008, 04:32 AM

Thats the site I was looking at. Guess I'll have to Call them. Was hoping for an e-mail ordering system. Ive been wanting to build a submersed system since I saw an oil bath one on Youtube a while back. I just didnt want my components to eventually corrode and fry after a year. At least with this stuff there's no chance of that, as long as it is stored and utilised correctly.
IMHO I think this stuff is the way forward. It may make items heavier to start with, but as technology progresses, we always tend to need less and less of stuff. Saying that, components are becoming less and less power hungry, a day may come when we could run a laptop or PC from our excess body heat or an AAA battery...

07-22-2008, 07:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Flourinert/Flutec Im thinking big. I always do. Its probably my downfall. But I dont care. With that out the way... Has anyone any exp working with Flutec PP6, or even better, is there anyone who knows where I can buy some? Its looking likely I'll need about 5-7 litres. Prices and sources are a must. Its for my next project. __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!

07-28-2008, 04:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Re: Flourinert/Flutec No-one? __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!

07-30-2008, 06:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
WereBo Resident Village Idiot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SE London, UK Posts: 14,570 OS: Win-7, XP-Pro SP3 My System	Re: Flourinert/Flutec Sorry Stressfreesoul, I'd never heard of the stuff until your post and Google only had 159 entries about it. You're needing 5-7 litres? Are you thinking of trying what I think you're thinking of trying??? i.e. a 'total immersion' case? __________________ I shall meet all of my deadlines directly in proportion to the amount of bodily injury I could expect to receive from missing them.

07-31-2008, 12:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
MyKobalt Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 270 OS: Windows Vista 64-Bit SP2 My System	Re: Flourinert/Flutec I think Doc Brown got it from the Libyans

07-31-2008, 03:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Re: Flourinert/Flutec Yes, but inside a case. So, to build a normal ATX case from perspex (or a solid equivalent) with drives sealed in a way that wont let the liquid in, but still allow it to draw heat away. I have read many hundreds of pages on how effective Flutec and Flourinert are. Problem is, there arent many sources for it as its mainly still in industrial use. As it is so good under these uses, I'd prefer to use either of these two (as opposed to mineral oil, or whatever it is people have tried) as it can be classed as a permanent solution to cooling your PC (When combined with a minature refridgeration unit and small pump for circulation) whilst being out of this world in looks and techmod prowess. __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!

07-31-2008, 03:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Re: Flourinert/Flutec and that was Plutonium MyKobalt __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!

07-31-2008, 02:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
WereBo Resident Village Idiot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SE London, UK Posts: 14,570 OS: Win-7, XP-Pro SP3 My System	Re: Flourinert/Flutec It seems a brilliant idea and could create some phenomenal effects with strategically placed CCFL and/or LED lights, depending on the liquid's colour. The drive(s) shouldn't really present much of a problem, mount them above the 'liquid box' and just have a slot in the top of the box for the ribbon(s) to pass through - seal with silicone or equivalent sealer for safety. The only main problem that leaps to mind, is sealing all the sockets to the outside world on the various boards - that could be a bit tricky __________________ I shall meet all of my deadlines directly in proportion to the amount of bodily injury I could expect to receive from missing them.

07-31-2008, 11:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
magnethead Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 3,570 OS: Vista ultimate 32bit My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: Flourinert/Flutec thats what i was thinking. In theory, having a computer based inside an aquarium (basically your complete idea?) would be good on cooling...but most liquids are conductors. __________________ For proper support: what are you running? graphics, cpu, m/board, ram, PSU brand wattage PCI-E requires 26 amps at 12 volts. That's a 650W PSU. Power Supply Info and Selection . Info on thermal compounds & application . TEST PSU USING MULTI-METER . Bench Testing Your System

08-01-2008, 05:02 AM	#9 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Re: Flourinert/Flutec Not Flourinert. It has been endlessly developed to be non conductive, whilst still useful. Its clear like water, but water floats on top if poured over (higher density). For the HDDs, I was thinking of a sealed clamshell, possibly like this one (obviously would have to be made completely watertight). As for the connectors, It wouldn't be difficult to extend the reach of the external connectors by re-soldering them on the end of suitable extender cables, which would be mounted on the back of the 'tank'. I have the logistics sorted, even down to drawings and schematics, its just getting hold of the flourinert/flutec. As far as I have learned, its quite widely utilised in certain scientific fields and industrial environments (one use is for cleaning oils with an added detergent, as it doesnt leave any remnants when it evaporates{leaving components as they were from new}). Anyone know where I can buy some? __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!

08-01-2008, 07:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
WereBo Resident Village Idiot Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SE London, UK Posts: 14,570 OS: Win-7, XP-Pro SP3 My System	Re: Flourinert/Flutec Apparently, it's only commercially available in quantities of 1Kg and above from here. I dread to think what the cost would be though __________________ I shall meet all of my deadlines directly in proportion to the amount of bodily injury I could expect to receive from missing them.

08-01-2008, 10:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
magnethead Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 3,570 OS: Vista ultimate 32bit My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: Flourinert/Flutec well, you could situate the mobo flat in a 6" pan of water so theres 2" of water below and 4" above, and have the HDD and CD drive above the fluid line....then the cables would reach. __________________ For proper support: what are you running? graphics, cpu, m/board, ram, PSU brand wattage PCI-E requires 26 amps at 12 volts. That's a 650W PSU. Power Supply Info and Selection . Info on thermal compounds & application . TEST PSU USING MULTI-METER . Bench Testing Your System

08-02-2008, 04:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
stressfreesoul Semi-Absent (life, eh?) Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: County Durham UK Posts: 1,852 OS: XP, Win7 RC x64, Ubuntu x64 multiboot My System Blog Entries: 7	Re: Flourinert/Flutec Thats the site I was looking at. Guess I'll have to Call them. Was hoping for an e-mail ordering system. Ive been wanting to build a submersed system since I saw an oil bath one on Youtube a while back. I just didnt want my components to eventually corrode and fry after a year. At least with this stuff there's no chance of that, as long as it is stored and utilised correctly. IMHO I think this stuff is the way forward. It may make items heavier to start with, but as technology progresses, we always tend to need less and less of stuff. Saying that, components are becoming less and less power hungry, a day may come when we could run a laptop or PC from our excess body heat or an AAA battery... __________________ TSF Folding@Home, find out how to do your bit in the fight against Cancer "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" xbox Live tag: storiedmedal Warning!! GTA IV addict! Join my game at your peril!