Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubing)

ian_heath · 04-23-2007, 04:17 PM

Yes ... well what can i say

I have recently installed the TT BigWater 735 kit and am not yet decided on whether or not it was a mistake

The quality of the kit looks great .. TT's usual over-engineering evident in all parts being far heavier and larger than they need be.
Indeed that seems to be part of my problem. After much head scratching and lip biting I was forced to mount both the (single) radiator and the pump/tank assembly OUTSIDE my case due simply to lack of usable space (anyone familiar with the P180 will know what a pain in the a$$ that psu ventilation chamber can be (especially after you have squeezed in a a/m psu as large as mine)

So anyways i have done some testing and did find it a little strange that i had actually gained a few degrees from my TT blue orb (running default clock) and it wasnt until last night - when my whole system just shut off mid game - did i realise how warm she was running.
I know most of your uber-nerds have already guessed the issue - in fact im sure you are yelling it out right now

BLEED THE SYSTEM ... BLEED THE AIR FROM THE SYSTEM YOU DIMWIT

Yes .. well seems I know this now.

But to cut this rambling short i have a few queries ...

1. Does anyone know where i can source (in AUSTRALIA) a resevioir/pump assembly (pref attached) that will fit neatly into a 2x5.25" bay (i can spare 2)

2. Is there an easy way to bleed such a system (ie. valves etc)

3. Am I supposed to fully assemble the kit, fill it, bleed it BEFORE i install in in my case? (I am really hoping that coolant spillage wont damage all my internals) me so STOOPID

cheers'

Ian

ian_heath · 04-23-2007, 10:41 PM

hi guys

i also have one more thing to add
its no surprise that the incident detailed above is far from cool ... and may well end up costing me a nice healthy wad of the papery stuff, however it could be worse still.

now i havent fired her up again yet (and wont be until i have the entire cooling system tested) but when i fired it up just after it shut off mid game (due to cpu overheating caused by air pocket) i quickly took a look at the boot/bios menu and found it strange that my chip was only clocking 1.6g or so even though it was seeing a 2.13g core2 chip.
Then as soon as i got my desktop i started up my temp app (asus suite) and was horrified to see it was showing 105c or so (and as you would expect alarms were a plenty)

it would have been running like this for no more than 90 seconds (overlooking the initial overheating) but has anyone had a new core2 duo cpu running for very short bursts at this region and if so did she hold it together??

I feel so guilty i have neglected her and really hope she isnt fried

*slyly eyes off the new e6600*

Ian

**forcifer** · 04-24-2007, 02:39 PM

not really sure. can try dangerden, i know they ship alot of places. put on all the waterblocks outside of case, tubing inside of case, and fill it inside. dont worry, depending on res, you wont spill. even if you do, you will probably be able to get it before it touches your stuff. and even in the weird case that it does, dry it off, let it sit for a while, and you should be fine

**blackduck30** · 04-25-2007, 04:02 PM

I would prolly look for a pump like this from swiftech
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod4131.htm

and a water bay like this maybe
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2014.htm

or a combined unit like this
http://www.chilledpc.com.au/store/pr...a63e23931abb53
or
http://www.chilledpc.com.au/store/pr...a63e23931abb53
you would prolly have to make a platform for it to sit in a double bay but that wouldn't be hard, the only problem with bay reservoirs is filling and topups

I suspect that you do not have your water block mounted correctly and would look at that first. Both of my systems have self bled in no time at all but when I started up I would start and stop the system in short bursts to push the coolant through to a point where the tubing was full and then leave it running and top up the reservoir.

I use this reservoir on my system and mounted it with no problem altho i do have a full tower and are not 100% familiar with a real life 180P.
http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod2832.htm

I am also not a fan of TT water cooling.

If you are interested I have a full kit here that you may be able to pillage for a good price.

I have one of these that you can have for $25 + postage and is only about 3 to 4 mths old
http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2788.htm

minster9 · 05-05-2007, 08:29 PM

Never seen or worked on watercooled system,but would seem logical that bleed valve should at highest point of system. Install one there if not.

**forcifer** · 05-06-2007, 08:48 AM

bleed valve should be at bottom, fill port on top

dai · 05-06-2007, 12:54 PM

the air bleeds out when it returns to the tank,i use a small funnel to top up
i agree with the post above it sounds like your cpu block is not mounted properly my cpu runs 10c above the m/b tempreture with this system,currently it is on 37c

04-23-2007, 04:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
ian_heath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA Posts: 108 OS: XP Prof. SP2	Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubing) Yes ... well what can i say I have recently installed the TT BigWater 735 kit and am not yet decided on whether or not it was a mistake The quality of the kit looks great .. TT's usual over-engineering evident in all parts being far heavier and larger than they need be. Indeed that seems to be part of my problem. After much head scratching and lip biting I was forced to mount both the (single) radiator and the pump/tank assembly OUTSIDE my case due simply to lack of usable space (anyone familiar with the P180 will know what a pain in the a$$ that psu ventilation chamber can be (especially after you have squeezed in a a/m psu as large as mine) So anyways i have done some testing and did find it a little strange that i had actually gained a few degrees from my TT blue orb (running default clock) and it wasnt until last night - when my whole system just shut off mid game - did i realise how warm she was running. I know most of your uber-nerds have already guessed the issue - in fact im sure you are yelling it out right now BLEED THE SYSTEM ... BLEED THE AIR FROM THE SYSTEM YOU DIMWIT Yes .. well seems I know this now. But to cut this rambling short i have a few queries ... 1. Does anyone know where i can source (in AUSTRALIA) a resevioir/pump assembly (pref attached) that will fit neatly into a 2x5.25" bay (i can spare 2) 2. Is there an easy way to bleed such a system (ie. valves etc) 3. Am I supposed to fully assemble the kit, fill it, bleed it BEFORE i install in in my case? (I am really hoping that coolant spillage wont damage all my internals) me so STOOPID cheers' Ian __________________ <My System> C2D E8400 (O/Clocked) .. T/Take CLW0076 W/COOLING .. Zalman GPU+RAM H2O blocks .. HIS X1950 C/FIRE 512mb DDR4 .. ASUS P5B Deluxe{BIOS v1226] .. 2X CORSAIR DDR2 PC2-6400 C4 1gb .. 4X WD SATA 160g (RAID0) + WD IDE 250g HD .. 2x SATA DVD Burners .. S/B X-FI EXTREME AUDIO 7.1 .. T/Take T/Power 750w PSU .. XP SP3 (OEM) .. ANTEC P180B CASE Last edited by koala : 05-06-2007 at 08:56 AM. Reason: language

04-23-2007, 10:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
ian_heath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: BRISBANE, AUSTRALIA Posts: 108 OS: XP Prof. SP2	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi hi guys i also have one more thing to add its no surprise that the incident detailed above is far from cool ... and may well end up costing me a nice healthy wad of the papery stuff, however it could be worse still. now i havent fired her up again yet (and wont be until i have the entire cooling system tested) but when i fired it up just after it shut off mid game (due to cpu overheating caused by air pocket) i quickly took a look at the boot/bios menu and found it strange that my chip was only clocking 1.6g or so even though it was seeing a 2.13g core2 chip. Then as soon as i got my desktop i started up my temp app (asus suite) and was horrified to see it was showing 105c or so (and as you would expect alarms were a plenty) it would have been running like this for no more than 90 seconds (overlooking the initial overheating) but has anyone had a new core2 duo cpu running for very short bursts at this region and if so did she hold it together?? I feel so guilty i have neglected her and really hope she isnt fried slyly eyes off the new e6600 Ian __________________ <My System> C2D E8400 (O/Clocked) .. T/Take CLW0076 W/COOLING .. Zalman GPU+RAM H2O blocks .. HIS X1950 C/FIRE 512mb DDR4 .. ASUS P5B Deluxe{BIOS v1226] .. 2X CORSAIR DDR2 PC2-6400 C4 1gb .. 4X WD SATA 160g (RAID0) + WD IDE 250g HD .. 2x SATA DVD Burners .. S/B X-FI EXTREME AUDIO 7.1 .. T/Take T/Power 750w PSU .. XP SP3 (OEM) .. ANTEC P180B CASE

04-24-2007, 02:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,486 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi not really sure. can try dangerden, i know they ship alot of places. put on all the waterblocks outside of case, tubing inside of case, and fill it inside. dont worry, depending on res, you wont spill. even if you do, you will probably be able to get it before it touches your stuff. and even in the weird case that it does, dry it off, let it sit for a while, and you should be fine __________________ im back...i guess...

04-25-2007, 04:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
blackduck30 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Wollongong/Australia Posts: 4,231 OS: XP pro SP3/Vista Ultimate My System	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi I would prolly look for a pump like this from swiftech http://www.pccasegear.com/prod4131.htm and a water bay like this maybe http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2014.htm or a combined unit like this http://www.chilledpc.com.au/store/pr...a63e23931abb53 or http://www.chilledpc.com.au/store/pr...a63e23931abb53 you would prolly have to make a platform for it to sit in a double bay but that wouldn't be hard, the only problem with bay reservoirs is filling and topups I suspect that you do not have your water block mounted correctly and would look at that first. Both of my systems have self bled in no time at all but when I started up I would start and stop the system in short bursts to push the coolant through to a point where the tubing was full and then leave it running and top up the reservoir. I use this reservoir on my system and mounted it with no problem altho i do have a full tower and are not 100% familiar with a real life 180P. http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod2832.htm I am also not a fan of TT water cooling. If you are interested I have a full kit here that you may be able to pillage for a good price. I have one of these that you can have for $25 + postage and is only about 3 to 4 mths old http://www.pccasegear.com/prod2788.htm __________________ Blackduck30 Time is like money and milk, It's always running out Any Donations Help Keep TSF Free For All Last edited by blackduck30 : 04-25-2007 at 10:24 PM.

05-05-2007, 08:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
minster9 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 176 OS: windows 2000	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi Never seen or worked on watercooled system,but would seem logical that bleed valve should at highest point of system. Install one there if not.

05-06-2007, 08:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
forcifer good bye and good luck Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kansas City kansas Posts: 3,486 OS: Vista Premium 32 My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi bleed valve should be at bottom, fill port on top __________________ im back...i guess...

05-06-2007, 12:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 44,240 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	Re: Water cooling (and im told it works even better when the water stays in the tubi the air bleeds out when it returns to the tank,i use a small funnel to top up i agree with the post above it sounds like your cpu block is not mounted properly my cpu runs 10c above the m/b tempreture with this system,currently it is on 37c __________________