Some Questions

simmons · 07-07-2009, 11:43 PM

This is my build so far

Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
$164.99

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel
$134.99

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale
$167.99

Hard Drive: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS
$229.99

Wireless Card: EDIMAX EW-7128G IEEE 802.11b/g PCI
$19.99

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI
$99 ($79.00 after rebate)

1. How does that look?
2. Whats the best video card? I am open for any prices as long as it stays below $300. I was looking very seriously at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130303 but as you see, it is deactivated (most likely sold out) and I dont feel comfortable buying from somewhere other than newegg. So suggest away please
3. Which kind of ram is best for 4x2GB (so I would buy 2 pairs of whatever one below)

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231209

-or-

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

-or-

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166

I plan on doing mostly gaming (especially WoW.) I want to get some really nice games when I build it too. Help me please.

**Tyree** · 07-08-2009, 08:23 AM

Drop the Raptor and get a WD Black series 32MBCache hdd. Apply the savings to an E8500 CPU.
Any of the PC6400 RAM you have listed.

**linderman** · 07-08-2009, 08:32 AM

I agree; drop the raptor; those dont really show much speed increase over regular SATA 300 drives !

use the savings to increase to the E8500 and bump your PSU to the Corsair 750-TX

as for video card

this is my #1 favorite (unless money is no object)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130479

as for memory .......either choice is good but I would take the 1066mhz so you can overclock easier in the future

with the rig set-up as we have discussed you could easily overclock that set-up to 4.0ghz on air cooling simply by adding a $30.00 cpu cooler in the future like the artic freezer 7 pro

simmons · 07-08-2009, 10:12 AM

sorry I accidently posted twice
below is the right one

simmons · 07-08-2009, 10:16 AM

Thanks you guys have been a big help.
How does this look now?

Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
$164.99

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel
$134.99

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3
$189.99

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB
$69.99

Wireless Card: EDIMAX EW-7128G IEEE 802.11b/g PCI
$19.99

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V
$119.49 ($99.49 after rebate)

Video Card: EVGA 896-P3-1173-AR GeForce GTX 275 FTW Edition
$294.99 ($274.99 after rebate)

RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 x2
$109.98

Also, would I need to get another fan since my case has so many fans and such good airflow? And would I only need 1 of those video cards in my case for games like Call of Duty and Fallout 3. Plus how would my comp run Crysis?

Phædrus2401 · 07-08-2009, 10:24 AM

You only need one of those graphics cards. I have a Radeon 4870, which is the equivalent of the GTX260 (one or two steps below the 275), and I can play Fallout 3 maxed on a 1440x900 display at 40+fps. The 275 should get you maxed on a 1680x1050, maybe 1900x1200, at 40+ and 25+ fps respectively. Crysis? Yeah.

The Antec 1200 has plenty of fans, but I'd say go ahead and get one more 120mm to put in the side to cool your graphics card.

I might up the PSU to the Corsair 750 watt. What you have will do just fine, excellently in fact, but the 750 would give you more headroom for overclocking.

You only really *need* 4GB of RAM, but RAM is cheap, so if you want to go for 8GB that's fine.

I've had a LOT of headaches with wireless cards... A lot. Especially with Dynex. *vomits* If you really want wireless go ahead, but if this were my build I'd live with running a CAT6 cable through some walls...

simmons · 07-08-2009, 10:41 AM

Haha. Yeah I have to go wireless. If you saw I did upgrade the PSU to 750w. What would be a cheap fan, just for a little cooling for my graphics card.

simmons · 07-08-2009, 10:45 AM

Oh and another thing. Right now I am running a wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard combo.I was planning on buying a KPA switch so I dont have to buy another mouse and keyboard. However I realized that that might not work. They work of USB and my mouse has a USB receiver so that would be fine and dandy. However my keyboard is a wireless Apple keyboard so is there a way I could make this work?

Also I need a CD / DVD reader. Nothing too expensive and preferably blu-ray but it no way is it necessary.

**linderman** · 07-08-2009, 11:01 AM

your system changes / editing will deliver plenty of computing muscle for all gaming; even the inefficient programmed "crysis"

as for dvd writer .........look for Sony Optiarc at newegg .....about $25.00 or $30.00 sorry but I just cant bring myself to go bluray ..........way toooooooo much money at this time

I personally am not sure on the keyboard dilemma.......maybe others can shed light on that one

simmons · 07-08-2009, 11:08 AM

Thanks
Would this be a good one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118006

**linderman** · 07-08-2009, 11:29 AM

this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118030

or this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151188

simmons · 07-08-2009, 11:56 AM

now those are burners and readers right?

**linderman** · 07-08-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simmons

now those are burners and readers right?

sure are .................YES

07-07-2009, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Some Questions This is my build so far Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $164.99 Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel $134.99 CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale $167.99 Hard Drive: Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS $229.99 Wireless Card: EDIMAX EW-7128G IEEE 802.11b/g PCI $19.99 PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI $99 ($79.00 after rebate) 1. How does that look? 2. Whats the best video card? I am open for any prices as long as it stays below $300. I was looking very seriously at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130303 but as you see, it is deactivated (most likely sold out) and I dont feel comfortable buying from somewhere other than newegg. So suggest away please 3. Which kind of ram is best for 4x2GB (so I would buy 2 pairs of whatever one below) G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231209 -or- G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122 -or- G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166 I plan on doing mostly gaming (especially WoW.) I want to get some really nice games when I build it too. Help me please.

07-08-2009, 08:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tyree Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: May 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 5,673 OS: XP Pro-7RC-Mandriva My System	Re: Some Questions Drop the Raptor and get a WD Black series 32MBCache hdd. Apply the savings to an E8500 CPU. Any of the PC6400 RAM you have listed. __________________ Posting your PC specs will help us to help you quicker and more efficiently.

07-08-2009, 08:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: Some Questions I agree; drop the raptor; those dont really show much speed increase over regular SATA 300 drives ! use the savings to increase to the E8500 and bump your PSU to the Corsair 750-TX as for video card this is my #1 favorite (unless money is no object) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130479 as for memory .......either choice is good but I would take the 1066mhz so you can overclock easier in the future with the rig set-up as we have discussed you could easily overclock that set-up to 4.0ghz on air cooling simply by adding a $30.00 cpu cooler in the future like the artic freezer 7 pro __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

07-08-2009, 10:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions sorry I accidently posted twice below is the right one Last edited by simmons; 07-08-2009 at 10:18 AM.

07-08-2009, 10:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions Thanks you guys have been a big help. How does this look now? Case: Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $164.99 Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel $134.99 CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3 $189.99 Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB $69.99 Wireless Card: EDIMAX EW-7128G IEEE 802.11b/g PCI $19.99 PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V $119.49 ($99.49 after rebate) Video Card: EVGA 896-P3-1173-AR GeForce GTX 275 FTW Edition $294.99 ($274.99 after rebate) RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 x2 $109.98 Also, would I need to get another fan since my case has so many fans and such good airflow? And would I only need 1 of those video cards in my case for games like Call of Duty and Fallout 3. Plus how would my comp run Crysis?

07-08-2009, 10:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
Phædrus2401 Hardware Tech Team Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,828 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 SP1 + Ubuntu 9.04 My System	Re: Some Questions You only need one of those graphics cards. I have a Radeon 4870, which is the equivalent of the GTX260 (one or two steps below the 275), and I can play Fallout 3 maxed on a 1440x900 display at 40+fps. The 275 should get you maxed on a 1680x1050, maybe 1900x1200, at 40+ and 25+ fps respectively. Crysis? Yeah. The Antec 1200 has plenty of fans, but I'd say go ahead and get one more 120mm to put in the side to cool your graphics card. I might up the PSU to the Corsair 750 watt. What you have will do just fine, excellently in fact, but the 750 would give you more headroom for overclocking. You only really need 4GB of RAM, but RAM is cheap, so if you want to go for 8GB that's fine. I've had a LOT of headaches with wireless cards... A lot. Especially with Dynex. vomits If you really want wireless go ahead, but if this were my build I'd live with running a CAT6 cable through some walls... __________________ Good PSU brands: Corsair, SeaSonic, CWT, PC Power and Cooling, Thermaltake Toughpower, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro On 80+ Certification - PSU Information and Selection - Power Supply Myths You don't get what you don't pay for. Last edited by Phædrus2401; 07-08-2009 at 10:27 AM.

07-08-2009, 10:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions Haha. Yeah I have to go wireless. If you saw I did upgrade the PSU to 750w. What would be a cheap fan, just for a little cooling for my graphics card.

07-08-2009, 10:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions Oh and another thing. Right now I am running a wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard combo.I was planning on buying a KPA switch so I dont have to buy another mouse and keyboard. However I realized that that might not work. They work of USB and my mouse has a USB receiver so that would be fine and dandy. However my keyboard is a wireless Apple keyboard so is there a way I could make this work? Also I need a CD / DVD reader. Nothing too expensive and preferably blu-ray but it no way is it necessary. Last edited by simmons; 07-08-2009 at 10:50 AM.

07-08-2009, 11:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: Some Questions your system changes / editing will deliver plenty of computing muscle for all gaming; even the inefficient programmed "crysis" as for dvd writer .........look for Sony Optiarc at newegg .....about $25.00 or $30.00 sorry but I just cant bring myself to go bluray ..........way toooooooo much money at this time I personally am not sure on the keyboard dilemma.......maybe others can shed light on that one __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

07-08-2009, 11:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions Thanks Would this be a good one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118006

07-08-2009, 11:29 AM	#11 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: Some Questions this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827118030 or this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151188 __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

07-08-2009, 11:56 AM	#12 (permalink)
simmons Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 OS: Windows 7	Re: Some Questions now those are burners and readers right?