Work In Progress - Page 2

twistdshade · 02-12-2009, 07:22 PM

man.. this cpu looks better and better the more i look at it, and the ram too :)
can you reccomend a different psu?

im going to be hooking up 2 sata drives
need 2 6pins for the vid cards (i have the adaptors and plenty of those power splitters too)
24 pin for the mainboard
8 pin for the cpu.

4pins for
side fan,
front lcd fan controller/temperature display
dvd burner,
2-3 hard drives

id like to reduce cable clutter in my case.
i noticed the cable wrappings on this psu, looks nice
but ive also seen psus with removable cables.

ive heard about rounded ide cables, are these any good?
some way to hold exess cables together, and off to the side or something.

**Jtsou** · 02-12-2009, 07:42 PM

Yes the rounded cables are good, but you can make flat IDE cables round by splitting them.

Any cables you dont need can be put under the mobo tray or in unused 5.25" bays.

twistdshade · 02-26-2009, 03:22 PM

Ok.. so i ordered these exact parts, put everything in.. seemed like it all went in good, easy, no problems.
flipped the switch, my fans started spinning, discs spinning up.. lights on the mobo normal, no vid signal, no lights on my usb keyboard.. so one by one, i started putting the old parts in, starting with the psu, i heard there were some DOAs with this one, so i started with that..
anyways.. now i've got the same hardware that you see in the everest report, the last known working hardware setup...

no dice..
no vid signal, no lights on my usb keyboard. no error beeps

so what do i do..? is mobo dead? should i order a new one? should i make the psu manufacturer pay for it or some ****..
bleh...

**wrench97** · 02-26-2009, 03:39 PM

Set it up out side the case to check for shorts to the case or misplaced standoffs> How to Bench Test Your System

twistdshade · 02-26-2009, 08:49 PM

pulled the guts out, minimal parts attached, and i got it to boot into bios

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 12:11 AM

Alternating beeps, high pitch, low pitch, cpu overheat warning right?
92'C is what bios is telling me, but people are saying this chip sits at 35'C idle, 45 under load, and im sitting in bios with 92C? heatsink doesn't seem hot at all, pulled it off, to get rid of the stock gunk and put some Arctic Silver 5 on, cpu didnt seem hot at all when i pulled it out, barely warm.
Booted it again, same warning beep, and bios still reads the temp at 92!

could there be something wrong with my temp readings? or is the cpu no good? Everything else seems fine, so whats the deal?

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 12:23 AM

I'll pop the old cpu back in after the break and see what the temp reads on that. but the cooler is pretty much the same as my old one. I have an older copper block cooler, and one of those adapters, i could probably mount that one.

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 01:42 AM

old cpu is reading 29c

**wrench97** · 02-27-2009, 01:45 AM

The most common issue with the socket 775 heat sinks are getting all 4 legs locked in if not the CPU runs too hot. sometimes it's better to use an after market cooler with a back plate and screws.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835101027

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 01:50 AM

I had all 4 legs locked down, and i re-seated the cooler several times to be sure.
and i managed to use the same cooler to get the old cpu to sit at 50C

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 02:46 AM

CPU set aside, so far I have the psu and ram running and stable, no problems.
Thanks very much for your help so far wrench!

**wrench97** · 02-27-2009, 12:04 PM

Your old CPU is Celeron correct?
If so something wrong that should be about 20 degrees cooler, Are you using the old cooler or the new one?
When you say reseated did you lift the heat sink off the CPU after applying the thermal compound if so that can/will create air bubbles that cause high temps, once you place the heat sink in place and remove it even if just to look at il you have to redo the paste.

Now that you can get into the Bios what are you seeing for voltages?

**Jtsou** · 02-27-2009, 12:08 PM

Ohh you doubled.

**wrench97** · 02-27-2009, 12:12 PM

Who?

Took 2 minutes to post and I got 2:)

**Jtsou** · 02-27-2009, 12:24 PM

Haha you cheated :P. Mr. Mod.

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 08:03 PM

I've tried the old cooler and the new one, fresh application of Arctic Silver 5 each time. Made sure all 4 legs were locked in a couple times. Old cooler keeps the celeron cool, and so does the new one. Yet with either cooler on the new cpu, temp locks to 95, does not rise or fall.

twistdshade · 02-27-2009, 09:44 PM

wiped everything down, made sure all 4 corners were locked in place, completely secure. no movement on any of the legs, no clicking at all.
I have - NEVER - seen this cpu read anything other than 92'C right from boot, it doesn't start low and go up, its 92'C right from power on. All values in bios are loaded to failsafe defaults.

If theres any setting you suggest changing, I'm open to suggestions.
Most of the problems with this upgrade so far, are due to my own human error, but I've tried re-seating this cpu with 2 different coolers, the same coolers on 2 different cpus the same method of attachment on each cooler, and this one sits at 92 instantly, the older one starts at 35, and rises slowly to 50. If I saw any number other than 92 on this cpu, then I would suspect that I'm doing something wrong, but I haven't.

The computer has been on, in bios with the cpu temp showing this whole time while I was typing this message, and even now, it reads 92'C.

twistdshade · 02-28-2009, 12:27 AM

i did some looking around on google, and found that the TjMax on the e8500 happens to be 95C, could this be related to my problem?

**wrench97** · 02-28-2009, 01:53 AM

What Bios do you have on that board look at the list of fixes on the first one on this page.
http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/downl...ET_TYPE=LGA775

twistdshade · 02-28-2009, 02:31 AM

well i was pretty sure i had it updated, i used the bios flash utility that was on the mobo install disc, that was the first thing i did after i got it running the first time, because i heard there were a lot of problems with the original bios.

"Support Wolfdale & Yolkfield CPU" would explain some things though, since this cpu is wolfdale.

since the flash utility didnt work, how would you recommend i go about updating?
I have an old floppy drive sitting around somewhere, a usb flash drive, an 8gb micro sd chip with usb adapter, and sd adapter, and an sd card reader on my system.
I've tried getting the usb to format to a bootable drive to flash bios, but no luck, and i tried the same thing with the micro sd card, i would have made a bootable floppy drive, but i have no blank discs.
any suggestions? or should i just go out and get a blank

02-12-2009, 07:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress man.. this cpu looks better and better the more i look at it, and the ram too :) can you reccomend a different psu? im going to be hooking up 2 sata drives need 2 6pins for the vid cards (i have the adaptors and plenty of those power splitters too) 24 pin for the mainboard 8 pin for the cpu. 4pins for side fan, front lcd fan controller/temperature display dvd burner, 2-3 hard drives id like to reduce cable clutter in my case. i noticed the cable wrappings on this psu, looks nice but ive also seen psus with removable cables. ive heard about rounded ide cables, are these any good? some way to hold exess cables together, and off to the side or something.

02-12-2009, 07:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jtsou Hardware Specialist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisburg, NC Posts: 1,214 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1 My System	Re: Work In Progress Yes the rounded cables are good, but you can make flat IDE cables round by splitting them. Any cables you dont need can be put under the mobo tray or in unused 5.25" bays. __________________ CPU-Z-----GPU-Z-----CoreTemp-----Speedfan

02-26-2009, 03:22 PM	#23 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress Ok.. so i ordered these exact parts, put everything in.. seemed like it all went in good, easy, no problems. flipped the switch, my fans started spinning, discs spinning up.. lights on the mobo normal, no vid signal, no lights on my usb keyboard.. so one by one, i started putting the old parts in, starting with the psu, i heard there were some DOAs with this one, so i started with that.. anyways.. now i've got the same hardware that you see in the everest report, the last known working hardware setup... no dice.. no vid signal, no lights on my usb keyboard. no error beeps so what do i do..? is mobo dead? should i order a new one? should i make the psu manufacturer pay for it or some ***.. bleh... Last edited by twistdshade; 02-26-2009 at 03:24 PM.*

02-26-2009, 03:39 PM	#24 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,369 OS: Win7	Re: Work In Progress Set it up out side the case to check for shorts to the case or misplaced standoffs> How to Bench Test Your System __________________ Power Supply and Selection

02-26-2009, 08:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress pulled the guts out, minimal parts attached, and i got it to boot into bios

02-27-2009, 12:11 AM	#26 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress Alternating beeps, high pitch, low pitch, cpu overheat warning right? 92'C is what bios is telling me, but people are saying this chip sits at 35'C idle, 45 under load, and im sitting in bios with 92C? heatsink doesn't seem hot at all, pulled it off, to get rid of the stock gunk and put some Arctic Silver 5 on, cpu didnt seem hot at all when i pulled it out, barely warm. Booted it again, same warning beep, and bios still reads the temp at 92! could there be something wrong with my temp readings? or is the cpu no good? Everything else seems fine, so whats the deal?

02-27-2009, 12:23 AM	#27 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress I'll pop the old cpu back in after the break and see what the temp reads on that. but the cooler is pretty much the same as my old one. I have an older copper block cooler, and one of those adapters, i could probably mount that one.

02-27-2009, 01:42 AM	#28 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress old cpu is reading 29c

02-27-2009, 01:45 AM	#29 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,369 OS: Win7	Re: Work In Progress The most common issue with the socket 775 heat sinks are getting all 4 legs locked in if not the CPU runs too hot. sometimes it's better to use an after market cooler with a back plate and screws. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835101027 __________________ Power Supply and Selection

02-27-2009, 01:50 AM	#30 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress I had all 4 legs locked down, and i re-seated the cooler several times to be sure. and i managed to use the same cooler to get the old cpu to sit at 50C Last edited by twistdshade; 02-27-2009 at 01:51 AM.

02-27-2009, 02:46 AM	#31 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress CPU set aside, so far I have the psu and ram running and stable, no problems. Thanks very much for your help so far wrench!

02-27-2009, 12:04 PM	#32 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,369 OS: Win7	Re: Work In Progress Your old CPU is Celeron correct? If so something wrong that should be about 20 degrees cooler, Are you using the old cooler or the new one? When you say reseated did you lift the heat sink off the CPU after applying the thermal compound if so that can/will create air bubbles that cause high temps, once you place the heat sink in place and remove it even if just to look at il you have to redo the paste. Now that you can get into the Bios what are you seeing for voltages? __________________ Power Supply and Selection

02-27-2009, 12:08 PM	#33 (permalink)
Jtsou Hardware Specialist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisburg, NC Posts: 1,214 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1 My System	Re: Work In Progress Ohh you doubled. __________________ CPU-Z-----GPU-Z-----CoreTemp-----Speedfan

02-27-2009, 12:12 PM	#34 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,369 OS: Win7	Re: Work In Progress Who? Took 2 minutes to post and I got 2:) __________________ Power Supply and Selection

02-27-2009, 12:24 PM	#35 (permalink)
Jtsou Hardware Specialist Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisburg, NC Posts: 1,214 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1 My System	Re: Work In Progress Haha you cheated :P. Mr. Mod. __________________ CPU-Z-----GPU-Z-----CoreTemp-----Speedfan

02-27-2009, 08:03 PM	#36 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress I've tried the old cooler and the new one, fresh application of Arctic Silver 5 each time. Made sure all 4 legs were locked in a couple times. Old cooler keeps the celeron cool, and so does the new one. Yet with either cooler on the new cpu, temp locks to 95, does not rise or fall.

02-28-2009, 12:27 AM	#38 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress i did some looking around on google, and found that the TjMax on the e8500 happens to be 95C, could this be related to my problem?

02-28-2009, 01:53 AM	#39 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,369 OS: Win7	Re: Work In Progress What Bios do you have on that board look at the list of fixes on the first one on this page. http://www.abit.com.tw/page/en/downl...ET_TYPE=LGA775 __________________ Power Supply and Selection

02-28-2009, 02:31 AM	#40 (permalink)
twistdshade Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Nevada Posts: 82 OS: Windows XP Home	Re: Work In Progress well i was pretty sure i had it updated, i used the bios flash utility that was on the mobo install disc, that was the first thing i did after i got it running the first time, because i heard there were a lot of problems with the original bios. "Support Wolfdale & Yolkfield CPU" would explain some things though, since this cpu is wolfdale. since the flash utility didnt work, how would you recommend i go about updating? I have an old floppy drive sitting around somewhere, a usb flash drive, an 8gb micro sd chip with usb adapter, and sd adapter, and an sd card reader on my system. I've tried getting the usb to format to a bootable drive to flash bios, but no luck, and i tried the same thing with the micro sd card, i would have made a bootable floppy drive, but i have no blank discs. any suggestions? or should i just go out and get a blank Last edited by twistdshade; 02-28-2009 at 02:35 AM.