XZanE

Hi building to pc's one for my perents and one for my little sis and just wanted someone to check that all the parts will work together like the ram and the right motherboard is used with the cpus

ones and intel sys and ones an amd sys.

Amd Sys: Budget of $900aud aiming to get it around 600-700 already have the monitor case and keyboard and what not.

MotherBoard : Asus M3N78 EXPGate, AM2+, GF8200, 5200MT, DDR2, PCIEx16, RAID, GbLAN, VGA, ATX - $141.00

CPU: AMD Athlon64 x2 5200+ (AM2) Dual Core CPU Retail Box w/Fan
(This i am not sure on wether the 5000 is better?) - $98.00

HD: Seagate 500G 32M SATA II Hard Disk Drive (ST3500320AS) _ $86.00

RAM: Corsair 2G DDR2 800 TWIN2X 2048-6400C4 Kit (4-4-4-12) -$60

POWER Sup: Antec Basiq 500W ATX Power Supply - $72

DVD : LG GGC-H22NS 22x DVD +/-R/RW D/L SATA Burner $25

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit DVD Edition (OEM) -$295

Total = $781.00

Intel Sys:

Mother Board :Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 PT880 MB AGP/PCIe/D1/D2/S2/Raid(775) -$100

CPU: INTEL Pentium Dual-Core E5200 2.5GHz 2M Cache 800FSB (775)$137

Power Sup: Antec Basiq 500W ATX Power Supply $72

DVD: LG GGC-H22NS 22x DVD +/-R/RW D/L SATA Burner $25

Ram: Corsair 2G DDR2 800 TWIN2X 2048-6400C4 Kit (4-4-4-12) - $60

HD: Seagate 500G 32M SATA II Hard Disk Drive (ST3500320AS) _ $86.00

Card Reader Besta 3.5 Internal Multi-in-1 Card Reader $20

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit DVD Edition (OEM) -$295

Key/mouse - Logitech Internet 1500 Recharge Cordless Desktop $75

Both will be used just for word prosseceing and some game play and mainly using the internet.

Thanks for your help prices are from PCShopper(dot)com(dot)au

clonxy

I just would like to point out that if your not using 5gb of memory or more, you don't need vista ultimate.

BoT

the amd rig looks good, i assume thats a geforce 8200 onboard video card?
do you have video cards already?

the intel board you picked does not have onboard video. it does have a agp slop, i assume you picked that board because you want to use your agp card, correct?

this board would also be a nice pick for the intel rig and is actually cheaper and has onboard video as well as pci-e
GIGABYTE GA-EG31M-S2 - $52.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128338

i would actually say, if you do go with vista ultimate, go with 64 bit

Net Jockey

The power supply unit in today's modern computer assumes a role probably more critical than any other single component in your system.

A poor PSU can also cause other components to fail in your computer.

The right Brand names = Quality
Some approved Brand names follow...

Seasonic - any model
Corsair - any model
Thermaltake - "Toughpower" series only
Coolermaster - "Real Power Pro" series only
PC Power & Cooling - any model
Silverstone - any model

Unless you are not into some serious gaming a 650 watt or higher will take care of your needs...PCI-E requires 26 amps at 12 volts. That's a 650W...Quality...PSU.

If you are a serious gamer a 750 Watt, or a little higher will be all that you would need.

Power Supply Information and Selection

wrench97

The 500w will work in the AMD setup if you intend to use the integrated video however the Antec line is not as good as used to be and the basic model never was a decent psu.
you coula power the integrated setup on 410-450w quality psu like a Corsair or PC Power & Cooling I would stay with the 5200 over the 5000 as it appears your not going to OC these.
On the Intel build what are planing to use for video?
Also the 4coredual is a rather old board has both AGP and PCIe but it is only a x4 pcie graphics slot.

XZanE

hmmm i see i didn't even notice that the intel board didn't have on board gfx have to change that... ummm the amd i was just going to use the on board gfxs would that be alright? no i dont have any gfx cards will i need to buy one for the intel and the amd rigs? even if i change to intel board?

okay i changed the power supply to Corsair TX-650 Modular Power Supply - $168 and for the intel board i changed it too Asus P5Q-SE P45 MB D2/FS1600/PCIe/GbLAN/ATX -$163

not sure how to edit my original post...

XZanE

also i have 4gb of ram in my current system and it still says i only have 3.25GB ram when i do a check on how much i have and i am ulimta vista..

wrench97

What Video card you use will determine the size of the power supply if you are going to use the integrated you don't need a 650w unit,
What are you going to use the pc's for?
Lets do this one at a time starting with the AMD build since they are going to be different.

XZanE

okay well the amd is going to be used for im chatting and internet browsing a little game play just like counter strike 1.6 nothing more mainly internet browser games.. no gfx demanding games... and the intel is going to be used for the same stuff but more word proscesing and what not and watching youtube videos. and would prob only need to stick to the on boards.

wrench97

OK with the Amd build the components you have listed will be fine just change the power supply to a Corsair or PC Power & Cooling in the 450 watt range
Do you have any online store you can link?
http://www.pcpower.com/products/desc...ATX/index.html
http://www.corsair.com/products/vx/default.aspx

The P5Q se does not have integrated video either, Have a look at the P5QL CM or EM for a Intel Integated board> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=699

wrench97

32 Bit operating systems will only report 2.9 to 3.4 with 3.2 being the norm they can address the upper memory areas up to 4gig for system devices, but I have never seen a pc use more then 2.8 unless there is a problem in the software.

XZanE

i chose the Asus P5QL-CM ExpGATE, S775, G43, DDR2, FSB1333, PCIE2.0, GBLAN, mATX

Corsair HX-520 Modular Power Supply w/ Cable Management
had to drop down to INTEL Pentium Dual-Core E2200 2.2GHZ 800MHz (775) CPU 1M L2
cause of the cost of the motherboard increasing
Corsair 2G DDR2 800 TWIN2X 2048-6400C4 Kit (4-4-4-12)(RAM)
Seagate 500G 32M SATA II Hard Disk Drive (ST3500320AS)
LG GGC-H22NS 22x DVD +/-R/RW D/L SATA Burner (Black OEM)
Besta 3.5 Internal Multi-in-1 Card Reader (Silver) (XD)
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit DVD Edition (OEM)
Logitech Internet 1500 Recharge Cordless Desktop (Blk)
TOTAL:
$968.00
any ideas to make the price lower?

websites i use are normaly www.umart.com.au or www.pcshopper.com.au

XZanE

so what is the way to make it so i can use more then 4gb ram and be useful? would i have to use the 64bit os? i got told that it was too buggy and there was no point.

BoT

i am sorry but who ever told you should come here and argue the point.
it's not more or less buggie then the 32 bit version

wrench97

The 64 bit os has driver problems with older devices like printers, scanners, older internal cards for the most part any newer device or card will be ok.
But I still have ask why do you think you need more then 4Gig of ram you will not used it even 64bit vista does not use over 4gig in actual use.

Can you post the list with prices for each component it is hard to tell where you can save with knowing the prices?

shiftytech

32-bit Vista with SP1 has enough memory addresses for 4gb of RAM, and should read all 4gb without issue. Whether or not you will actually ever use that amount, is a different story. Chances are, you would be perfectly fine with 2gb. As for using more than 4gb, you will probably not have a use for that amount of RAM within the next 2-3 years but in order to do so, you will need to use any 64-bit version of Windows Vista (64-bit Home Premium can address up to 8gb, whereas 64-bit Ultimate can address 128gb+). Don't waste your money. As long as your RAM is running in dual channel mode and is operating at the proper frequencies, your system should be running completely smooth. With the arrival of DDR3 and triple channel mode, 6gb of RAM in any of today's newest systems is overkill, and blazing fast.


[EDIT] If that $968 is in Australian Dollars, that's not too bad really. That's about $670 USD with quality parts, AND an operating system. I wouldn't cheap out on anything if I were you, because you're only going to regret it later and believe me, if you're building them their own systems, you want them to be as stable and reliable as possible so they won't have to bug you every other week about something not working.

wrench97

The other question I would ask is what are you going to use this for that would need more then 2-3Gig of ram we are not looking at a high spec gaming or workstation setup here you will run out of CPU long before you run out of ram.