inexpensive gamign PC?

Blue445 · 12-20-2008, 09:03 PM

Hello! I'm thinking of putting together a PC, and was curious on your guys opinion. This is what I got:

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147073

Power Supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127387

Thermal Paste:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020

Anti Static Strap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899261005

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146785

Mother Board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131335

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037

OR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272

The Total is $464.42 with rebates. I want to do a bit of gaming perhaps, but mainly get a really kick butt GUI goin' on. I want to do a bit of over clocking perhaps, and wish this comptuer to be easily upgradeable for quite some time (2-3 years) I'm new at this computer building stuff. I already have a monitor, HDD, mouse, keyboard, printer etc. Is there anything else I might need to construct this, or anything you recommend me changing? I would also like to over clock.

Thanks in advance.

**wrench97** · 12-21-2008, 03:10 AM

Go with the E8400 (you can't put a AMD cpu on a Intel MB)
Lose the Sunbeam PSU for a 9800 I would expect to see a Quality 650w unit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...171023&bop=And

This will work just fine for ram and is a little cheaper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148212

Blue445 · 12-21-2008, 10:40 AM

I like the price of the AMD a lot, is there a MB for AMD, with equivalent specs (or close to it) of that Intel one I have up? Also, If i buy two sticks at 2GB each, my computer will only recognize three right? I have XP, 32 Bit, which is why i was going for the 4 separate cards, of 1 GB each....so i can have three GB's.

**wrench97** · 12-21-2008, 11:53 AM

Ram needs to be installed in pairs to function in the faster dual channel mode you're better off with 2Gig in matched sticks then 3Gig unmatched.
Before you save a couple of dollars with the x2 have a look at these charts the E8400 is worth it> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...x1050,820.html

Blue445 · 12-21-2008, 12:30 PM

Well, like I said, i'm trying to keep my budget under $500, and I found a motherboard supporting the AMD, also at a cheaper price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130173

And the AMD processor is nearly $100 more then the Intel. Are intel really THAT great, that I should spend $110 more on a PC? ($20, for the supporting MB.)

I mean, if its like a great idea for the future, then sure, but what about the other Intel's? Theres this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115132

Savin' me like $40 bucks...is the difference between 2.5Ghz and 3.0Ghz a big one?

Also, the price on this power supply that I chose is kickin my butt:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

Any cheaper ones around that will still get the job done?

Blue445 · 12-21-2008, 01:47 PM

Also, What is wrong with SunBeam? They have some 600+ watt PSU's for $40 give or take.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...601%20-%20700W

And what do you think about this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817339024

**wrench97** · 12-21-2008, 03:04 PM

Sunbeams are low quality unpredictable units that usually do not last and take other components with them.
The E7300 is a decent cpu that overclocks well.
Have a read through our power supply sticky the link is in my signature.

Blue445 · 12-21-2008, 05:29 PM

Although the E7300 may be a decent cpu that overclocks well, how about a cheap AMD + cheap AMD motherboard that does its job, at oh say 3.00 GHz, for like $70 bucks, keeping my price down. Then later on say come my B day, I "upgrade" to an intel.

Or is AMD just pure crap outta the box that could harm my system. The intel chip is adding like $100 to my overall price tag.
I also don't mind paying the amount for that power supply, if it can stick with me over the years, from upgrade to upgrade.

Also, thanks for all that you have shared with me so far :)

**wrench97** · 12-22-2008, 01:27 AM

The AMD x2 chips will work fine they're just not a powerful as the higher Intels is all.

**wrench97** · 12-22-2008, 01:32 AM

Motherboard> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128360
CPU> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103228

Mcninjaguy · 12-22-2008, 03:19 AM

I have a AMD system it does a great job

AMD 6000+ CPU 3ghz x 2

Blue445 · 12-22-2008, 06:19 AM

So AMD is fine for gaming? Instead of that one, wrench, will this do?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272

Its like $20 cheaper, and also has had great reviews. Also, the mother board you recommended was a "micro ATX"....Isn't that for the smaller cases, or will that work in the one I'm going to purchase?

Mcninjaguy · 12-22-2008, 07:29 AM

for 10 bucks less and its what .1ghz slower, go for it.

Tux · 12-22-2008, 10:14 AM

Hey I got an AMD quad core some aren't as expensive as the E7300 and they give you allot of bang for your buck, I did a budget build myself I recremend using one, but Intels do have allot higher performance ratings, I think Intel's duel core processors can easily outrun most AMD quads.

As for the power supply listen to wrench's signature you don't want your system going down the tubes because you bought a crappy PSU.

The RAM you got picked out is pretty nice I got 1066 myself and it runs like a charm.

Go ahead and get a micro-ATX MOB it will save you about $50, and yes your case supports it, some boards already have integrated video cards on the MOB, I don't know what you are going to be using your system for but using the one on the board will save you quite a bit of money. Besides the video card you got picked out is little to much extreme for your cost.

Check out this MOB its got a good video chip in it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131354

Look for bundle deals to finding them will save you quite a bit of money, my system including vista and the monitor was a little over $500 that is of course including the mail in rebates and the bundling deals.

Blue445 · 12-22-2008, 12:31 PM

Hey there Tux, thanks....I'm looking to do a little bit of gaming, and have a very sleek GUI. By gaming I mean like Halo1-2, Half Life, and some more of them games released around 2005-7 to run real fast on high detail. So yah, I want a good start up, to achieve what i want, but also so I can upgrade easy over time...Like i'd get an AMD now for what $70, then on my birthday upgrade to a Intel. I'm looking for a good graphics card as well.

I really don't know how good this make can be made, It almost seems it could play games like left 4 dead or oblivion (low detail), one of the reasons why i'm going for a external graphics card.

Also, how hard/easy are AMD's to over clock?
Hows much juice do you think i could squeeze outta this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103234

**wrench97** · 12-22-2008, 12:43 PM

The only problem I see with what you want to do is the total cost to buy a motherboard and cpu now and replace them on your Bday is I feel kind of a waste you will also either have to buy the full retail version of windows or 2 OEM copies one for each MB.

Amd CPU's don't OC nearly as well as the Intel chips do because they run hotter.

cami · 12-22-2008, 12:54 PM

The 9800 is great for this system. I would stick with the 6000+ because you picked out the 65nm version which will overclock nicely if you buy a nice aftermarket cooler. The dual core will outrun the quads as far as gaming, although it is close. I think you will be quite suprised at how well it performs.

Blue445 · 12-22-2008, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrench97

The only problem I see with what you want to do is the total cost to buy a motherboard and cpu now and replace them on your Bday is I feel kind of a waste you will also either have to buy the full retail version of windows or 2 OEM copies one for each MB.

Amd CPU's don't OC nearly as well as the Intel chips do because they run hotter.

I need a new OEM copy for each MB? I had planned on just swapping out my SATA drive (it currently has windows).

And when you say they don't OC as well, to what extent do you mean? If i over clock a 2.9 AMC to 3.3 or 3.5, it will melt, compared to over clocking an intel 2.6 to a 3.0? I'm new at this over clocking buisness.

Right now, my system stands at 399.43 with rebates....I don't have that much money, and you say getting a dirt cheap mother board + Amd processor will be more expensive when I try to upgrade to an Intel?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cami

The 9800 is great for this system. I would stick with the 6000+ because you picked out the 65nm version which will overclock nicely if you buy a nice aftermarket cooler. The dual core will outrun the quads as far as gaming, although it is close. I think you will be quite suprised at how well it performs.

Sorry, but whats a 65nm?

cami · 12-22-2008, 01:24 PM

65nm is refering to the processors architecture, a 65nm processor generally runs cooler and uses less energy than an equivalent 90nm processor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128360
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130397
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171023
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147073
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227334
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272

are you thinking of stealing the OS installed on your current computer? That most likely wont work because it is probably an OEM liscence so you will need to buy a copy of XP also.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511

502 total before rebates.

To be upgrading to intel later you are looking at roughly 400$ for the upgrade. Just doesn't make much since to me. For about 100-150$ more now you could have a respectable intel build.

**wrench97** · 12-22-2008, 01:38 PM

Intel and AMD do not use the same cpu socket so you buy a AMD motherboard now and put a Intel CPU in later, so your buying a MB and CPU now and on your Bday another MB and CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037 E8400 $164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128359 UD3R $99.99
$264.98

Or for the AMD setup
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272 X2 6000 $76.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131354 M3N78-EM $89.99
$165.99
That $99 less now but $165 you wasted when upgrade to a Intel setup

From a X2 6000 You won't get 3.5 on air maybe 3.2 -3.3 and still won't keep up with a slower C2D.

12-20-2008, 09:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	inexpensive gamign PC? Hello! I'm thinking of putting together a PC, and was curious on your guys opinion. This is what I got: Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147073 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817709011 Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127387 Thermal Paste: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020 Anti Static Strap: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16899261005 Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146785 Mother Board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131335 Processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037 OR http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272 The Total is $464.42 with rebates. I want to do a bit of gaming perhaps, but mainly get a really kick butt GUI goin' on. I want to do a bit of over clocking perhaps, and wish this comptuer to be easily upgradeable for quite some time (2-3 years) I'm new at this computer building stuff. I already have a monitor, HDD, mouse, keyboard, printer etc. Is there anything else I might need to construct this, or anything you recommend me changing? I would also like to over clock. Thanks in advance. Last edited by Blue445; 12-20-2008 at 09:23 PM.

12-21-2008, 03:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Go with the E8400 (you can't put a AMD cpu on a Intel MB) Lose the Sunbeam PSU for a 9800 I would expect to see a Quality 650w unit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...171023&bop=And This will work just fine for ram and is a little cheaper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148212 __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-21-2008, 10:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? I like the price of the AMD a lot, is there a MB for AMD, with equivalent specs (or close to it) of that Intel one I have up? Also, If i buy two sticks at 2GB each, my computer will only recognize three right? I have XP, 32 Bit, which is why i was going for the 4 separate cards, of 1 GB each....so i can have three GB's.

12-21-2008, 11:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Ram needs to be installed in pairs to function in the faster dual channel mode you're better off with 2Gig in matched sticks then 3Gig unmatched. Before you save a couple of dollars with the x2 have a look at these charts the E8400 is worth it> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...x1050,820.html __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-21-2008, 12:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Well, like I said, i'm trying to keep my budget under $500, and I found a motherboard supporting the AMD, also at a cheaper price. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130173 And the AMD processor is nearly $100 more then the Intel. Are intel really THAT great, that I should spend $110 more on a PC? ($20, for the supporting MB.) I mean, if its like a great idea for the future, then sure, but what about the other Intel's? Theres this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115132 Savin' me like $40 bucks...is the difference between 2.5Ghz and 3.0Ghz a big one? Also, the price on this power supply that I chose is kickin my butt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005 Any cheaper ones around that will still get the job done? Last edited by Blue445; 12-21-2008 at 12:36 PM.

12-21-2008, 01:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Also, What is wrong with SunBeam? They have some 600+ watt PSU's for $40 give or take. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...601%20-%20700W And what do you think about this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817339024 Last edited by Blue445; 12-21-2008 at 01:51 PM.

12-21-2008, 03:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Sunbeams are low quality unpredictable units that usually do not last and take other components with them. The E7300 is a decent cpu that overclocks well. Have a read through our power supply sticky the link is in my signature. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-21-2008, 05:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Although the E7300 may be a decent cpu that overclocks well, how about a cheap AMD + cheap AMD motherboard that does its job, at oh say 3.00 GHz, for like $70 bucks, keeping my price down. Then later on say come my B day, I "upgrade" to an intel. Or is AMD just pure crap outta the box that could harm my system. The intel chip is adding like $100 to my overall price tag. I also don't mind paying the amount for that power supply, if it can stick with me over the years, from upgrade to upgrade. Also, thanks for all that you have shared with me so far :)

12-22-2008, 01:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? The AMD x2 chips will work fine they're just not a powerful as the higher Intels is all. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-22-2008, 01:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Motherboard> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128360 CPU> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103228 __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-22-2008, 03:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? I have a AMD system it does a great job AMD 6000+ CPU 3ghz x 2

12-22-2008, 06:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? So AMD is fine for gaming? Instead of that one, wrench, will this do? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103272 Its like $20 cheaper, and also has had great reviews. Also, the mother board you recommended was a "micro ATX"....Isn't that for the smaller cases, or will that work in the one I'm going to purchase?

12-22-2008, 07:29 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? for 10 bucks less and its what .1ghz slower, go for it.

12-22-2008, 10:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tux Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 140 OS: Home Premium 64, Linux Hardy Heron, XP, GustyGibion	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Hey I got an AMD quad core some aren't as expensive as the E7300 and they give you allot of bang for your buck, I did a budget build myself I recremend using one, but Intels do have allot higher performance ratings, I think Intel's duel core processors can easily outrun most AMD quads. As for the power supply listen to wrench's signature you don't want your system going down the tubes because you bought a crappy PSU. The RAM you got picked out is pretty nice I got 1066 myself and it runs like a charm. Go ahead and get a micro-ATX MOB it will save you about $50, and yes your case supports it, some boards already have integrated video cards on the MOB, I don't know what you are going to be using your system for but using the one on the board will save you quite a bit of money. Besides the video card you got picked out is little to much extreme for your cost. Check out this MOB its got a good video chip in it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131354 Look for bundle deals to finding them will save you quite a bit of money, my system including vista and the monitor was a little over $500 that is of course including the mail in rebates and the bundling deals. Last edited by Tux; 12-22-2008 at 10:15 AM.

12-22-2008, 12:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Blue445 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 165 OS: Linux Mint	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Hey there Tux, thanks....I'm looking to do a little bit of gaming, and have a very sleek GUI. By gaming I mean like Halo1-2, Half Life, and some more of them games released around 2005-7 to run real fast on high detail. So yah, I want a good start up, to achieve what i want, but also so I can upgrade easy over time...Like i'd get an AMD now for what $70, then on my birthday upgrade to a Intel. I'm looking for a good graphics card as well. I really don't know how good this make can be made, It almost seems it could play games like left 4 dead or oblivion (low detail), one of the reasons why i'm going for a external graphics card. Also, how hard/easy are AMD's to over clock? Hows much juice do you think i could squeeze outta this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103234 Last edited by Blue445; 12-22-2008 at 12:35 PM.

12-22-2008, 12:43 PM	#16 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? The only problem I see with what you want to do is the total cost to buy a motherboard and cpu now and replace them on your Bday is I feel kind of a waste you will also either have to buy the full retail version of windows or 2 OEM copies one for each MB. Amd CPU's don't OC nearly as well as the Intel chips do because they run hotter. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

12-22-2008, 12:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
cami Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 64 OS: winXP	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? The 9800 is great for this system. I would stick with the 6000+ because you picked out the 65nm version which will overclock nicely if you buy a nice aftermarket cooler. The dual core will outrun the quads as far as gaming, although it is close. I think you will be quite suprised at how well it performs.

12-22-2008, 01:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
cami Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 64 OS: winXP	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? 65nm is refering to the processors architecture, a 65nm processor generally runs cooler and uses less energy than an equivalent 90nm processor. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128360 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130397 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171023 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811147073 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227334 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272 are you thinking of stealing the OS installed on your current computer? That most likely wont work because it is probably an OEM liscence so you will need to buy a copy of XP also. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116511 502 total before rebates. To be upgrading to intel later you are looking at roughly 400$ for the upgrade. Just doesn't make much since to me. For about 100-150$ more now you could have a respectable intel build. Last edited by cami; 12-22-2008 at 01:29 PM.

12-22-2008, 01:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,527 OS: Win7	Re: inexpensive gamign PC? Intel and AMD do not use the same cpu socket so you buy a AMD motherboard now and put a Intel CPU in later, so your buying a MB and CPU now and on your Bday another MB and CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037 E8400 $164.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128359 UD3R $99.99 $264.98 Or for the AMD setup http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103272 X2 6000 $76.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131354 M3N78-EM $89.99 $165.99 That $99 less now but $165 you wasted when upgrade to a Intel setup From a X2 6000 You won't get 3.5 on air maybe 3.2 -3.3 and still won't keep up with a slower C2D. __________________ Power Supply and Selection