[SOLVED] First time building - need some help

knottin · 11-11-2008, 11:39 PM

Hello, I posted this on another forum, but I thought I'd get some more input on this, just to be safe.

I’m new to building PCs, and want to put together a gaming rig, but am not sure whether these parts are compatible. I don’t need any peripherals. I might purchase parts from www.anitec.ca or www.ncix.com instead of www.newegg.ca, as I live in Canada. Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Budget:
Roughly $1000 CDN

Case:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811146025
or
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=ANTEC

Processor:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103249

PSU:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371010

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813138128

Memory:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231122

Video card:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814121272

Hard drive: have something like this already, so it can be factored out of the cost
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16822148301

CD/DVD drive: have something like this already, so it can be factored out of the cost
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16827106266

Fan:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16835233003

OS:
Windows Vista 64-bit

Ghosted · 11-12-2008, 01:11 AM

I'm a huge AMD fan but they're really not at the top of their game right now, I'd recommend if you can to go with a core2 quad instead.

Also, could you copy/paste the name of the parts aswell as the links? Going on each link makes it a little harder to help you.

What exactly do you want the pc for though? (what are you going to be doing with it)

knottin · 11-12-2008, 02:02 AM

Ah, sorry about that. I thought I could get away with being a little lazy

Case: NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX or Antec Nine Hundred
Processor: AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION
PSU: Antec NeoPower 650 Blue 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC
Motherboard: BIOSTAR TFORCE TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel
Video card: ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported
Hard drive: Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s
CD/DVD drive: LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe
Fan: XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

As much as I like Intel, I wasn't sure whether it would be compatible with the other parts. Plus, they seem to cost a little more than the one I had in mind. Is it worth it?

Err, I would like to play games at higher resolutions without lag. My current computer hasn't had a hardware upgrade in over 5 years, so I figured getting a new computer is better than upgrading.

Edit: I had to put the names of each item here because I can't edit my first post

Tumbleweed36 · 11-12-2008, 05:12 AM

You might want to consider going with the Intel processors at this time. They beat the "socks" off the AMD offerings in speed and all around performance. Slightly more pricey, but worth the difference in price. Take a look at THIS before you make the move.

Also, skip the Antec Trio (quality has not been good recently) and go for this Corsair:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006

Better PSU. plus more wattage (which you need with that video card), and at a lower price.

**linderman** · 11-12-2008, 08:00 AM

Tumbleweed put you on the right track!! :)

knottin · 11-12-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

You might want to consider going with the Intel processors at this time. They beat the "socks" off the AMD offerings in speed and all around performance. Slightly more pricey, but worth the difference in price. Take a look at THIS before you make the move.

Also, skip the Antec Trio (quality has not been good recently) and go for this Corsair:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006

Better PSU. plus more wattage (which you need with that video card), and at a lower price.

I'm debating between the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 and Intel Core 2 Duo E8400.
Do I really need quad cores? The Core 2 Duo has a better FPS score from that site than the Core 2 Quad, AND seems to be cheaper.

Also, are Intel processors compatible with ATI video cards?
Sorry if I am asking dumb questions, but I am new to this and want to be sure before I make my purchase

Thank you for the PSU suggestion

**linderman** · 11-12-2008, 01:36 PM

NO SUCH THING AS DUMB QUESTIONS; especially when you are about to spend hard earned money!!

yes intel cpu's are compatible with ATI cards ............... I am running the E8400 and ATI 4850 right now and like them alot

I would take the E8400 over the Q6600; in fact I have already sold 4 E8400's to builders that had Q6600's and I assisted them in selling off the Q6600's

**linderman** · 11-12-2008, 01:37 PM

the E8500 is the hot item right now for the money

Ghosted · 11-12-2008, 01:58 PM

Worth a note: Left4dead and i presume all future source engine based games feature quad core support.

I'm willing to bet the q6600 will win on games such as.

Either way, personal recommendation is to make sure your psu and mobo are up to the task of a faster processor so that if you see a bargin in the future or feel the need for a change the option won't cost you too much, just my 2 cents.

**linderman** · 11-12-2008, 02:37 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...px?i=2868&p=10

everywhere you read an article with programmers included they repeat how difficult and expensive it is to throw away all the single threaded code and start from scratch ....... given the current economic climate IMHO it will only slow the delivery of true multi core games for some time to come ....... when programmers can bloat the payroll again

regardless ............. right now and the next 2 years aim your $$$$$ at those needs with best performance ...... and it will be dual core .......

when the software really gets here ....... thats the time to spend on quads

**wrench97** · 11-12-2008, 02:42 PM

The Q6600's time has come and gone to buy one now does not make sense, If Source Engine's SDK does in fact work correctly (I believe they are saying multithreaded which usually means 2 cores) then anyone building today needs to be looking at a faster FSB on the Q9xxx not the older 6xxx's and don't forget the i7 core intro next week any new development will be focused to optimize the new tech. If you look at programs all ready quad core optimized like Premiere Pro video encoder the Q6600 is the slowest of the Intel quad's currently in production just beating a Phenom. So for a new rig today E8500 or Q9550 if your gaming, Q8200 or up if you into video encoding.

knottin · 11-12-2008, 10:10 PM

From what's been said, I think I'll go with the E8400 ... which means I can't get the same motherboard. Any suggestions?

knottin · 11-12-2008, 11:21 PM

How is the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard?

Tumbleweed36 · 11-13-2008, 05:30 AM

That is a very good board.

I have that CPU on a ASUS P5K e wi/fi board and it is also excellent. The ASUS P5Q deluxe series (you need to look at options on all these series boards to choose what is the best for you) is also a very board.

knottin · 11-14-2008, 12:55 AM

You guys are AWESOME! You've all helped me a lot. Thank you :)

Tumbleweed36 · 11-14-2008, 05:12 AM

Let us know when you get it up and running. BTW, which motherboard did you decide on? Have a great weekend.

knottin · 11-14-2008, 06:14 PM

I just ordered the parts yesterday, so it might take a while before I can start the assembly. I went with the gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P because I found it on sale at anitec

Tumbleweed36 · 11-14-2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghosted

I'm willing to bet the q6600 will win on games such as.

Just a word to the wise, when dealing with an e8400 or e8500, you might want to be careful what you bet on.

knottin · 11-21-2008, 12:25 PM

I got all the parts yesterday, and successfully assembled the whole thing. I opted for the HAF case instead of the ones I posted above. Thanks for the help.

knottin · 11-21-2008, 01:31 PM

By the way, the gpu seems to run pretty hot. Is there something I could use to keep it cool?

11-11-2008, 11:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	[SOLVED] First time building - need some help Hello, I posted this on another forum, but I thought I'd get some more input on this, just to be safe. I’m new to building PCs, and want to put together a gaming rig, but am not sure whether these parts are compatible. I don’t need any peripherals. I might purchase parts from www.anitec.ca or www.ncix.com instead of www.newegg.ca, as I live in Canada. Any feedback/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Budget: Roughly $1000 CDN Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811146025 or http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=ANTEC Processor: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16819103249 PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16817371010 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16813138128 Memory: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820231122 Video card: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16814121272 Hard drive: have something like this already, so it can be factored out of the cost http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16822148301 CD/DVD drive: have something like this already, so it can be factored out of the cost http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16827106266 Fan: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16835233003 OS: Windows Vista 64-bit

11-12-2008, 01:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ghosted Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Posts: 33 OS: Windows XP Professional SP2 (heavily modified)	Re: First time building - need some help I'm a huge AMD fan but they're really not at the top of their game right now, I'd recommend if you can to go with a core2 quad instead. Also, could you copy/paste the name of the parts aswell as the links? Going on each link makes it a little harder to help you. What exactly do you want the pc for though? (what are you going to be doing with it) Last edited by Ghosted; 11-12-2008 at 01:13 AM.

11-12-2008, 02:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help Ah, sorry about that. I thought I could get away with being a little lazy Case: NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX or Antec Nine Hundred Processor: AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION PSU: Antec NeoPower 650 Blue 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Motherboard: BIOSTAR TFORCE TA790GX A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Memory: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Video card: ASUS EAH4850 TOP/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Hard drive: Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s CD/DVD drive: LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Fan: XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler As much as I like Intel, I wasn't sure whether it would be compatible with the other parts. Plus, they seem to cost a little more than the one I had in mind. Is it worth it? Err, I would like to play games at higher resolutions without lag. My current computer hasn't had a hardware upgrade in over 5 years, so I figured getting a new computer is better than upgrading. Edit: I had to put the names of each item here because I can't edit my first post Last edited by knottin; 11-12-2008 at 02:03 AM.

11-12-2008, 05:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,655 OS: XP Professional	Re: First time building - need some help You might want to consider going with the Intel processors at this time. They beat the "socks" off the AMD offerings in speed and all around performance. Slightly more pricey, but worth the difference in price. Take a look at THIS before you make the move. Also, skip the Antec Trio (quality has not been good recently) and go for this Corsair: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006 Better PSU. plus more wattage (which you need with that video card), and at a lower price. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 11-12-2008 at 05:51 AM.

11-12-2008, 08:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: First time building - need some help Tumbleweed put you on the right track!! :) __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

11-12-2008, 01:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: First time building - need some help NO SUCH THING AS DUMB QUESTIONS; especially when you are about to spend hard earned money!! yes intel cpu's are compatible with ATI cards ............... I am running the E8400 and ATI 4850 right now and like them alot I would take the E8400 over the Q6600; in fact I have already sold 4 E8400's to builders that had Q6600's and I assisted them in selling off the Q6600's __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

11-12-2008, 01:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: First time building - need some help the E8500 is the hot item right now for the money __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

11-12-2008, 01:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ghosted Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Posts: 33 OS: Windows XP Professional SP2 (heavily modified)	Re: First time building - need some help Worth a note: Left4dead and i presume all future source engine based games feature quad core support. I'm willing to bet the q6600 will win on games such as. Either way, personal recommendation is to make sure your psu and mobo are up to the task of a faster processor so that if you see a bargin in the future or feel the need for a change the option won't cost you too much, just my 2 cents.

11-12-2008, 02:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: First time building - need some help http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...px?i=2868&p=10 everywhere you read an article with programmers included they repeat how difficult and expensive it is to throw away all the single threaded code and start from scratch ....... given the current economic climate IMHO it will only slow the delivery of true multi core games for some time to come ....... when programmers can bloat the payroll again regardless ............. right now and the next 2 years aim your $$$$$ at those needs with best performance ...... and it will be dual core ....... when the software really gets here ....... thats the time to spend on quads __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

11-12-2008, 02:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,539 OS: Win7	Re: First time building - need some help The Q6600's time has come and gone to buy one now does not make sense, If Source Engine's SDK does in fact work correctly (I believe they are saying multithreaded which usually means 2 cores) then anyone building today needs to be looking at a faster FSB on the Q9xxx not the older 6xxx's and don't forget the i7 core intro next week any new development will be focused to optimize the new tech. If you look at programs all ready quad core optimized like Premiere Pro video encoder the Q6600 is the slowest of the Intel quad's currently in production just beating a Phenom. So for a new rig today E8500 or Q9550 if your gaming, Q8200 or up if you into video encoding. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

11-12-2008, 10:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help From what's been said, I think I'll go with the E8400 ... which means I can't get the same motherboard. Any suggestions?

11-12-2008, 11:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help How is the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard?

11-13-2008, 05:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,655 OS: XP Professional	Re: First time building - need some help That is a very good board. I have that CPU on a ASUS P5K e wi/fi board and it is also excellent. The ASUS P5Q deluxe series (you need to look at options on all these series boards to choose what is the best for you) is also a very board. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

11-14-2008, 12:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help You guys are AWESOME! You've all helped me a lot. Thank you :)

11-14-2008, 05:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,655 OS: XP Professional	Re: First time building - need some help Let us know when you get it up and running. BTW, which motherboard did you decide on? Have a great weekend. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

11-14-2008, 06:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help I just ordered the parts yesterday, so it might take a while before I can start the assembly. I went with the gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P because I found it on sale at anitec

11-21-2008, 12:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: First time building - need some help I got all the parts yesterday, and successfully assembled the whole thing. I opted for the HAF case instead of the ones I posted above. Thanks for the help.

11-21-2008, 01:31 PM	#20 (permalink)
knottin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11 OS: vista 32-bit	Re: [SOLVED] First time building - need some help By the way, the gpu seems to run pretty hot. Is there something I could use to keep it cool?