budget rig amd or intel? need help!

panzer18 · 09-22-2008, 09:51 PM

i am building a pc for my uncle he wants to be able to play the latest games like new cod and gow and all that good stuff while still on a budget of 700 bucks. He plans on using a 22" lcd and run windows xp.

so i cant decide weather to go amd or intel

no need for case or sound card

1st build

intel q6600 189.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017

ESC intel p45 mobo 89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135093

4g corsair memory ddr2 800 79.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145184

OCZ stealthxstream 59.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341012

Hitachi 500gb hdd 64.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145215

ASUS EN9800GT 149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121266

633.95

2nd build AMD

AMD Phenom 9850 BE 169.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249

Video card Asus 4850 512mb 169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121253

Mobo ASUS M3A78 80.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131340

OCZ stealthxstream 59.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341012

Hitachi 500gb hdd 64.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145215

Ram ddr2 1066 Wintec 99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161277

644.95$ total

what you guys think? if i go with amd should i use 1066 or 800 ddr2?

joshvette001 · 09-22-2008, 10:11 PM

if you were going with Intel get this processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036 By the time applications start using quad cores their will be better quads out their. Most of the newest games use dual cores and the wolfdale core on this processor is extremly good. I just ordered parts and that was the CPU I used for mine :P :)

Edit;

Two other things I see a problem with.... Your motherboard isnt a very good brand in my oppinion I would go with a gigabyte or asus board you can normally find cheaper models of asus and gigabyte boards all the time. Also I didn't take much time to look but I don't personally believe in using anything under 600watts for a psu

**Pauldo** · 09-22-2008, 11:38 PM

I second the dual core option and stick with Intel. Go with an Asus P5k Pro (or maybe the P5Q Pro since it is $119 after rebate) and drop down to the E7200 Wolfdale (you can easily overclock to 3 GHz and beyond) and pair that with the Asus 4850, 4870 if you can squeeze it in. COD4 will fly on that machine.

Drop down to 2 Gig on the memory unless you were planning on going 64 bit. Windows 32 bit won't recognize memory above 3 Gig. Use the extra money to bump up your psu. Take a look at the guide here. Any of those will handle Oc'ing, along with the graphics card, if you decide to go that route.

Pauldo

**wrench97** · 09-23-2008, 03:07 PM

Budget Intel build
Link....................................................... Disc. ..........Cost Rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...cription=E8400 E8400 $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128337 GA-EP35-DS3L $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145590 2 x 1Gig $41.00 $13.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130327 8800GTS $149.99 $30.00
http://www.provantage.com/corsair-cm...x~7CSMC05F.htm 650tx $86.38 $20.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116485 Vista HP $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136073 WD 500Gig $69.99

$707.33 $63.00

$644.33

panzer18 · 09-23-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrench97

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130327 8800GTS $149.99 $30.00

video card is deactivated

**tosh9i** · 09-23-2008, 04:54 PM

Maxtor 500 GB SATA II Internal Hard Drive - $53 shipped AC w/ filler
http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthr...hreadid=930957

**wrench97** · 09-23-2008, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panzer18

video card is deactivated

Well that didn't last long> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130339

9800GTS G92 $160.99 It cost more but it is a better card.

panzer18 · 09-23-2008, 10:28 PM

are you guys talking about overclocking the processors on air?

**grimx133** · 09-24-2008, 12:18 AM

Sure, 3ghz on air with an E7200 is no biggie, though it might get a tad warm on the stock HSF. An aftermarket cpu heatsink is needed for all but the most casual overclocking. Haven't been doing much of it lately, been running folding at home, so my cpu is always between 50 and 100 percent.
cpu usage 50%, stock speed, haven't rebooted or turned off FAH for about 5 days, and the cpu is at 30C. It'd be a lot hotter if I had the stock heatsink that intel provides on it.

**Pauldo** · 09-24-2008, 01:19 AM

The Asus Radeon 4850 is still $140 after rebate and will beat the 9800 GTX most of the time (COD4 highest settings by more than 10%). Beats the 9800 GTX+ on some games, although you might not notice it.

Great list wrench97. That motherboard looks like it should do the trick on this budget.

Yeah, overclocking on air is no problem with those Intel chips. It does help tremendously to have an after market HSF but if you look at the reviews on Newegg you will see guys talking about doing it on the stock HSF. Going to 3 Ghz on the E7200 shouldn't be too bad but worse case scenario is you drop back down until you can get a new, and better, HSF.

Pauldo

panzer18 · 09-24-2008, 09:54 AM

you guys have been very helpful thanks for all the advices i still have till friday to get the build so if you have any ideas just throw them out.
also is better if i get vista or just use xp? do new games require vista? i know im stuck with dx9 on xp but how good are the graphics on newer games on dx9? He is wanting to play games with xbox360 like graphics.

**grimx133** · 09-24-2008, 11:39 AM

Read an interesting article yesterday, on the 4850. A review of 3 newer models at extreme tech. A bit pricier, but faster and cooler than the reference design.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2330956,00.asp

**Pauldo** · 09-24-2008, 04:08 PM

Thanks for that article. I used to hit ExtremeTech just about every day but have found myself doing other things these days. I need to get back into the routine.

Pauldo

panzer18 · 09-24-2008, 04:53 PM

yep thanks for that, helped me

**grimx133** · 09-24-2008, 05:41 PM

You're most welcome. Looks like a decent jump in performance since they originally came out. Thinking of picking one up myself, but I'll probably have to wait till after christmas. Who knows what'll fit the price/performance budget by then.

I use Google Reader for RSS feeds and one of the ones I get is extreme tech, check it once a day or so, and even though there's a lot of repetition, do get some useful news and reviews and such. Gearlog has a great feed too, some real odd and interesting stuff shown.

09-22-2008, 09:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
panzer18 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5 OS: xp pro	budget rig amd or intel? need help! i am building a pc for my uncle he wants to be able to play the latest games like new cod and gow and all that good stuff while still on a budget of 700 bucks. He plans on using a 22" lcd and run windows xp. so i cant decide weather to go amd or intel no need for case or sound card 1st build intel q6600 189.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115017 ESC intel p45 mobo 89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813135093 4g corsair memory ddr2 800 79.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145184 OCZ stealthxstream 59.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341012 Hitachi 500gb hdd 64.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145215 ASUS EN9800GT 149.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121266 633.95 2nd build AMD AMD Phenom 9850 BE 169.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103249 Video card Asus 4850 512mb 169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121253 Mobo ASUS M3A78 80.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131340 OCZ stealthxstream 59.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341012 Hitachi 500gb hdd 64.99http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145215 Ram ddr2 1066 Wintec 99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161277 644.95$ total what you guys think? if i go with amd should i use 1066 or 800 ddr2?

09-22-2008, 10:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
joshvette001 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8 OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 32bit/XP/Linux	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! if you were going with Intel get this processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115036 By the time applications start using quad cores their will be better quads out their. Most of the newest games use dual cores and the wolfdale core on this processor is extremly good. I just ordered parts and that was the CPU I used for mine :P :) Edit; Two other things I see a problem with.... Your motherboard isnt a very good brand in my oppinion I would go with a gigabyte or asus board you can normally find cheaper models of asus and gigabyte boards all the time. Also I didn't take much time to look but I don't personally believe in using anything under 600watts for a psu Last edited by joshvette001; 09-22-2008 at 10:14 PM.

09-22-2008, 11:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pauldo Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 1,444 OS: winXP Pro sp3 My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! I second the dual core option and stick with Intel. Go with an Asus P5k Pro (or maybe the P5Q Pro since it is $119 after rebate) and drop down to the E7200 Wolfdale (you can easily overclock to 3 GHz and beyond) and pair that with the Asus 4850, 4870 if you can squeeze it in. COD4 will fly on that machine. Drop down to 2 Gig on the memory unless you were planning on going 64 bit. Windows 32 bit won't recognize memory above 3 Gig. Use the extra money to bump up your psu. Take a look at the guide here. Any of those will handle Oc'ing, along with the graphics card, if you decide to go that route. Pauldo Last edited by Pauldo; 09-22-2008 at 11:40 PM.

09-23-2008, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,428 OS: Win7	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! Budget Intel build Link....................................................... Disc. ..........Cost Rebate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...cription=E8400 E8400 $169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128337 GA-EP35-DS3L $89.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145590 2 x 1Gig $41.00 $13.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130327 8800GTS $149.99 $30.00 http://www.provantage.com/corsair-cm...x~7CSMC05F.htm 650tx $86.38 $20.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116485 Vista HP $99.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136073 WD 500Gig $69.99 $707.33 $63.00 $644.33 __________________ Power Supply and Selection

09-23-2008, 04:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
tosh9i TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,811 OS: Windows XP	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! Maxtor 500 GB SATA II Internal Hard Drive - $53 shipped AC w/ filler http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthr...hreadid=930957 __________________ Tosh

09-23-2008, 10:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
panzer18 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5 OS: xp pro	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! are you guys talking about overclocking the processors on air?

09-24-2008, 12:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,133 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! Sure, 3ghz on air with an E7200 is no biggie, though it might get a tad warm on the stock HSF. An aftermarket cpu heatsink is needed for all but the most casual overclocking. Haven't been doing much of it lately, been running folding at home, so my cpu is always between 50 and 100 percent. cpu usage 50%, stock speed, haven't rebooted or turned off FAH for about 5 days, and the cpu is at 30C. It'd be a lot hotter if I had the stock heatsink that intel provides on it.

09-24-2008, 01:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
Pauldo Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 1,444 OS: winXP Pro sp3 My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! The Asus Radeon 4850 is still $140 after rebate and will beat the 9800 GTX most of the time (COD4 highest settings by more than 10%). Beats the 9800 GTX+ on some games, although you might not notice it. Great list wrench97. That motherboard looks like it should do the trick on this budget. Yeah, overclocking on air is no problem with those Intel chips. It does help tremendously to have an after market HSF but if you look at the reviews on Newegg you will see guys talking about doing it on the stock HSF. Going to 3 Ghz on the E7200 shouldn't be too bad but worse case scenario is you drop back down until you can get a new, and better, HSF. Pauldo

09-24-2008, 09:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
panzer18 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5 OS: xp pro	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! you guys have been very helpful thanks for all the advices i still have till friday to get the build so if you have any ideas just throw them out. also is better if i get vista or just use xp? do new games require vista? i know im stuck with dx9 on xp but how good are the graphics on newer games on dx9? He is wanting to play games with xbox360 like graphics.

09-24-2008, 11:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,133 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! Read an interesting article yesterday, on the 4850. A review of 3 newer models at extreme tech. A bit pricier, but faster and cooler than the reference design. http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2330956,00.asp

09-24-2008, 04:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
Pauldo Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 1,444 OS: winXP Pro sp3 My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! Thanks for that article. I used to hit ExtremeTech just about every day but have found myself doing other things these days. I need to get back into the routine. Pauldo

09-24-2008, 04:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
panzer18 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5 OS: xp pro	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! yep thanks for that, helped me

09-24-2008, 05:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
grimx133 Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada eh Posts: 3,133 OS: xp mce sp2, xp pro sp2, windows 7 beta My System	Re: budget rig amd or intel? need help! You're most welcome. Looks like a decent jump in performance since they originally came out. Thinking of picking one up myself, but I'll probably have to wait till after christmas. Who knows what'll fit the price/performance budget by then. I use Google Reader for RSS feeds and one of the ones I get is extreme tech, check it once a day or so, and even though there's a lot of repetition, do get some useful news and reviews and such. Gearlog has a great feed too, some real odd and interesting stuff shown.