helping a build for a friend

Mcninjaguy · 08-14-2008, 02:37 AM

okay so I've decided on the parts and I'm just want a couple more opinions
budget is $1300 CDN
Preferebly around 1,100
He already has a mouse and keyboard
and its first personal computer, he's saved up some money and asked me to help him get one(next door neighbour) Im getting it at my local computer shop www.pccyber.com

he also needs to connect wirelessly to a 2wire 2701HG-G router/modem (im pretty sure)I have the same thing

CPU - amd athlon 4800+ 64 bit 1 mb cache 65nm - $77
MOBO - ASUS SKT. AM2 ATI CROSSFIREXPRESS 3200 - $119
Memory - Corsair 2x 1 gb 2gb total 6400 (800mhz) timings are 5 5 5 12 - $69
GFX - ASUS Eah3650 Silent 512MB DDR3 - $109
Speakers - X 230 speaker sytem 32 watt - 47

------------or--------------

LOGITECH LS21 2.1 STEREO SPEAKER SYSTEM -$34

HDD - Seagate 500gb 7200 rpm 32mb $90
monitor - LG 19inch 3000:1 contrast(black) $225
DVD - LG HSN 20x muilt DVD-RW(black) - $29
CASE -ANTEC 900 gamer case $108
Wireless card - LINKSYS WMP54GS - $70
OS - VISTA Home Premium 64bit - $123
PSU - 450w (from a ANTEC sonata 2 case) - free from me
TOTAL --------------------------------------- $1043 before taxes
---------------------------------AFTER Taxes - $1178

so what i hoping is that the energy needs for everything will be sufficient

I have this wireless adapter in mind i just like linksys more - $52
http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=LAN-D-WDA-1320

I know haw to build a comp so he can save $50 for letting them build it but im not sure he might want them to build it?

P.S. I don't want to do deal with newegg.com or any online site the prices at www.pccyber.com are good and im fine with it
-----plus----
I don't think my neighbour wants to sign up for online banking yet not to sure yet (he's on vacation)

Mcninjaguy · 08-17-2008, 04:42 AM

any suggestions?
I'm going to use antec 300 gamer case cuz its cheaper $60 or so

Confused-Novice · 08-17-2008, 04:16 PM

I wouldn't touch an AMD processor... Intel core2 duo is probably the best price/performance range.

In terms of Graphics card ATI do best value/performance card but it depends what you want it for, NVIDIA are leading the way in terms of performance.

PSU looks a little small, and make sure you use a good manufacturer EG Corsair.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge will help soon but didn't want you buying something that will cost more money than it's worth.

Cheers.

Mcninjaguy · 08-17-2008, 09:47 PM

well as I said Its a cheap build $1,300 is the max and I like amd myself. It's not my preferred choice but for $77 and im going to make sure my friend gets a video card for his money and whatever suits his psu.
I'm not too sure about 3650 graphics card if its too much for the psu. I just want to confirm that this is a that 'll last him for high school (its his first comp at 14)

Mcninjaguy · 08-17-2008, 09:49 PM

hh thanks anyways I myself have a corsair 750 ATX PSU so yay for quality.
I think nvidia is leading in terms of the industry but the price is too high? not too sure

this is the computer shop i go to
www.pccyber.com

Mcninjaguy · 08-22-2008, 02:17 AM

bump!

**wrench97** · 08-22-2008, 02:50 PM

You'll need a better PSU
Go for the E8400 on a GA EP35 DS3L motherboard he'll love you for it
ATI 4850 is the hot price/performance card right now or there are a lot of 8800GT's cheap.
You should be able to do it for around $800 give or take a little.

wayliff · 08-22-2008, 05:53 PM

Get an AMD Athlon x2 5400+ BE...it is very well priced. For a few bucks more you'll get a dual core instead.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103289

It has an unlocked multiplier so my guess is that it can be pushed from 2.8 to 3.2GHZ easily...on air.

And for the PSU - i agree you should go for 650W+ - perhaps in the future you want to crossfire and your PSU will not be a problem. Also look for a reputable brand like corsair, seasonic...

I did not see this item on at your store but if you can find it somewhere I think it is the best bang for the buck on the AMD side.

Mcninjaguy · 08-22-2008, 10:05 PM

LG 16X H30N DVD ROM OEM (Black)
DVD-LG-H30N BLACK / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $23.00

ANTEC THREE HUNDRED CASE(90 DAYS WTY)
CC-ANTEC-THREE HUNDRED / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $61.00
x
ASUS M3N78 VM NV GF8300 MOTHERBOARD(30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
MB-AS-M3N78-VM / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $104.00
x
SEAGATE 250GB SATA 3G 3.5 7200.2 8MB(30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
HD-ST3250310AS / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $59.00

Corsair Twin2X4096-6400C5DHX
RAM-TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX / Regular price expires: 2008-08-28 $128.00
x
LG BLACK 19" WIDE DUAL 2MS 8000:1 (30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
LCD-LG-W1942TQ-BF / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $181.00

AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 64bit AM2 1MB
CPU-AM2-ADO5200DO / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $97.00

D-LINK WLS G DT ADPT 802.11G 54MBPS PCI (30DAYS DOA,1YR MF)
LAN-D-WDA-1320 / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $52.00

Corsair 650W Power Supply
PS-COR-CMPSU-650TX / Regular price expires: 2008- $116.00

ZOTAC GEFORCE 8800GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI EX (30DAY DOA, MF WTY) $141.00

MS VHP 64 BIT DVD OEM (NO RETURN) $130
SUB TOTAL $1092 + tax
TOTAL = $1,233.96

Its a money thing he's only got $1,300 or so and don't give me (neweggs stuff cause it doesn't have canadian shipping right?) I'm hoping he'll want me to help him build it cause it cost $50 more for them to build it. I really would like to cut it down In price but he won't be back till tuesday or wednessday I think. So I can't ask him yet

wayliff · 08-23-2008, 07:05 AM

yeah definitely - newegg was only used to show you the item.
Like I said I did not find the item at the store you specified.

Zotac is a name I have hardly heard of - as long as you know it is a reputable video card maker then fine.

Mcninjaguy · 08-23-2008, 03:33 PM

same here I haven't heard too much from the company before too. This setup will change its mostly the video card and PSu that im worried about. what can a 450w PSU support in terms of graphics cards

**wrench97** · 08-23-2008, 04:08 PM

A 450w isn't much good past an AGP card as all PCIE require 26 amps on the 12v rail or about 31-32 if multirail.

Mcninjaguy · 08-24-2008, 12:10 AM

I see about 450w antec PSU hmm how about this case? it has a earthwatts PSU in it
http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=CC-ANTEC-SONATA+III

or this one it says PSU optional?

http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=CC-NZXT-ALPHA-BLACK

I think im heading towards the sonata 3 its much cheaper with e psu and it comes with a reputable PSU manufacturer

**wrench97** · 08-24-2008, 04:47 AM

For Antec look for Neo or Trio models the rest are not that great, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro Models, Corsair any model, SeaSonic any model, PC Power and Cooling any model, Thermaltake Toughpower models To run a 8800 your looking at for at least 650w.
See this thread for psu info, also you are generally better off buying a case and psu separately.
Power Supply Information and Selection

Mcninjaguy · 08-24-2008, 08:57 PM

this is the psu that omes with the sonata 3
http://www.techaddicts.net/reviews/a...nt_ea500w.html

it can run at a maximun of 25 amps

this case looks good to me. I think i might try t reccomend a couple of choices to my friend, so I'm going with a couple options

first might be this

LG 16X H30N DVD ROM OEM (Black)
DVD-LG-H30N BLACK / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $23.00

ANTEC THREE HUNDRED CASE(90 DAYS WTY)
CC-ANTEC-THREE HUNDRED / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $61.00
x
ASUS M3N78 VM NV GF8300 MOTHERBOARD(30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
MB-AS-M3N78-VM / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $104.00
x
SEAGATE 250GB SATA 3G 3.5 7200.2 8MB(30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
HD-ST3250310AS / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $59.00

Corsair Twin2X4096-6400C5DHX
RAM-TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX / Regular price expires: 2008-08-28 $128.00
x
LG BLACK 19" WIDE DUAL 2MS 8000:1 (30DAY DOA, MF WTY)
LCD-LG-W1942TQ-BF / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $181.00

AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 64bit AM2 1MB
CPU-AM2-ADO5200DO / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $97.00

D-LINK WLS G DT ADPT 802.11G 54MBPS PCI (30DAYS DOA,1YR MF)
LAN-D-WDA-1320 / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $52.00

Corsair 650W Power Supply
PS-COR-CMPSU-650TX / Regular price expires: 2008- $116.00

ZOTAC GEFORCE 8800GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI EX (30DAY DOA, MF WTY) $141.00

MS VHP 64 BIT DVD OEM (NO RETURN) $130
SUB TOTAL $1092 + tax
TOTAL = $1,233.96

second choice might be this its a little cheaper

08-14-2008, 02:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	helping a build for a friend okay so I've decided on the parts and I'm just want a couple more opinions budget is $1300 CDN Preferebly around 1,100 He already has a mouse and keyboard and its first personal computer, he's saved up some money and asked me to help him get one(next door neighbour) Im getting it at my local computer shop www.pccyber.com he also needs to connect wirelessly to a 2wire 2701HG-G router/modem (im pretty sure)I have the same thing CPU - amd athlon 4800+ 64 bit 1 mb cache 65nm - $77 MOBO - ASUS SKT. AM2 ATI CROSSFIREXPRESS 3200 - $119 Memory - Corsair 2x 1 gb 2gb total 6400 (800mhz) timings are 5 5 5 12 - $69 GFX - ASUS Eah3650 Silent 512MB DDR3 - $109 Speakers - X 230 speaker sytem 32 watt - 47 ------------or-------------- LOGITECH LS21 2.1 STEREO SPEAKER SYSTEM -$34 HDD - Seagate 500gb 7200 rpm 32mb $90 monitor - LG 19inch 3000:1 contrast(black) $225 DVD - LG HSN 20x muilt DVD-RW(black) - $29 CASE -ANTEC 900 gamer case $108 Wireless card - LINKSYS WMP54GS - $70 OS - VISTA Home Premium 64bit - $123 PSU - 450w (from a ANTEC sonata 2 case) - free from me TOTAL --------------------------------------- $1043 before taxes ---------------------------------AFTER Taxes - $1178 so what i hoping is that the energy needs for everything will be sufficient I have this wireless adapter in mind i just like linksys more - $52 http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=LAN-D-WDA-1320 I know haw to build a comp so he can save $50 for letting them build it but im not sure he might want them to build it? P.S. I don't want to do deal with newegg.com or any online site the prices at www.pccyber.com are good and im fine with it -----plus---- I don't think my neighbour wants to sign up for online banking yet not to sure yet (he's on vacation) Last edited by Mcninjaguy; 08-14-2008 at 02:39 AM.

08-17-2008, 04:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend any suggestions? I'm going to use antec 300 gamer case cuz its cheaper $60 or so

08-17-2008, 04:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
Confused-Novice Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Northampton, England Posts: 19 OS: Windows Ultimate 64 bit edition	Re: helping a build for a friend I wouldn't touch an AMD processor... Intel core2 duo is probably the best price/performance range. In terms of Graphics card ATI do best value/performance card but it depends what you want it for, NVIDIA are leading the way in terms of performance. PSU looks a little small, and make sure you use a good manufacturer EG Corsair. I'm sure someone with more knowledge will help soon but didn't want you buying something that will cost more money than it's worth. Cheers.

08-17-2008, 09:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend well as I said Its a cheap build $1,300 is the max and I like amd myself. It's not my preferred choice but for $77 and im going to make sure my friend gets a video card for his money and whatever suits his psu. I'm not too sure about 3650 graphics card if its too much for the psu. I just want to confirm that this is a that 'll last him for high school (its his first comp at 14)

08-17-2008, 09:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend hh thanks anyways I myself have a corsair 750 ATX PSU so yay for quality. I think nvidia is leading in terms of the industry but the price is too high? not too sure this is the computer shop i go to www.pccyber.com

08-22-2008, 02:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend bump!

08-22-2008, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,428 OS: Win7	Re: helping a build for a friend You'll need a better PSU Go for the E8400 on a GA EP35 DS3L motherboard he'll love you for it ATI 4850 is the hot price/performance card right now or there are a lot of 8800GT's cheap. You should be able to do it for around $800 give or take a little. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

08-22-2008, 05:53 PM	#8 (permalink)
wayliff Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 125 OS: Win7 Ultimate x64	Re: helping a build for a friend Get an AMD Athlon x2 5400+ BE...it is very well priced. For a few bucks more you'll get a dual core instead. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103289 It has an unlocked multiplier so my guess is that it can be pushed from 2.8 to 3.2GHZ easily...on air. And for the PSU - i agree you should go for 650W+ - perhaps in the future you want to crossfire and your PSU will not be a problem. Also look for a reputable brand like corsair, seasonic... I did not see this item on at your store but if you can find it somewhere I think it is the best bang for the buck on the AMD side.

08-22-2008, 10:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend LG 16X H30N DVD ROM OEM (Black) DVD-LG-H30N BLACK / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $23.00 ANTEC THREE HUNDRED CASE(90 DAYS WTY) CC-ANTEC-THREE HUNDRED / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $61.00 x ASUS M3N78 VM NV GF8300 MOTHERBOARD(30DAY DOA, MF WTY) MB-AS-M3N78-VM / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $104.00 x SEAGATE 250GB SATA 3G 3.5 7200.2 8MB(30DAY DOA, MF WTY) HD-ST3250310AS / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $59.00 Corsair Twin2X4096-6400C5DHX RAM-TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX / Regular price expires: 2008-08-28 $128.00 x LG BLACK 19" WIDE DUAL 2MS 8000:1 (30DAY DOA, MF WTY) LCD-LG-W1942TQ-BF / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $181.00 AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 64bit AM2 1MB CPU-AM2-ADO5200DO / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $97.00 D-LINK WLS G DT ADPT 802.11G 54MBPS PCI (30DAYS DOA,1YR MF) LAN-D-WDA-1320 / Regular price expires: 2008-08-29 $52.00 Corsair 650W Power Supply PS-COR-CMPSU-650TX / Regular price expires: 2008- $116.00 ZOTAC GEFORCE 8800GT 1GB GDDR3 PCI EX (30DAY DOA, MF WTY) $141.00 MS VHP 64 BIT DVD OEM (NO RETURN) $130 SUB TOTAL $1092 + tax TOTAL = $1,233.96 Its a money thing he's only got $1,300 or so and don't give me (neweggs stuff cause it doesn't have canadian shipping right?) I'm hoping he'll want me to help him build it cause it cost $50 more for them to build it. I really would like to cut it down In price but he won't be back till tuesday or wednessday I think. So I can't ask him yet

08-23-2008, 07:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
wayliff Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 125 OS: Win7 Ultimate x64	Re: helping a build for a friend yeah definitely - newegg was only used to show you the item. Like I said I did not find the item at the store you specified. Zotac is a name I have hardly heard of - as long as you know it is a reputable video card maker then fine.

08-23-2008, 03:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend same here I haven't heard too much from the company before too. This setup will change its mostly the video card and PSu that im worried about. what can a 450w PSU support in terms of graphics cards

08-23-2008, 04:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,428 OS: Win7	Re: helping a build for a friend A 450w isn't much good past an AGP card as all PCIE require 26 amps on the 12v rail or about 31-32 if multirail. __________________ Power Supply and Selection

08-24-2008, 12:10 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: helping a build for a friend I see about 450w antec PSU hmm how about this case? it has a earthwatts PSU in it http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=CC-ANTEC-SONATA+III or this one it says PSU optional? http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=CC-NZXT-ALPHA-BLACK I think im heading towards the sonata 3 its much cheaper with e psu and it comes with a reputable PSU manufacturer

08-24-2008, 04:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
wrench97 Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Pennsylvania Posts: 18,428 OS: Win7	Re: helping a build for a friend For Antec look for Neo or Trio models the rest are not that great, CoolerMaster Real Power Pro Models, Corsair any model, SeaSonic any model, PC Power and Cooling any model, Thermaltake Toughpower models To run a 8800 your looking at for at least 650w. See this thread for psu info, also you are generally better off buying a case and psu separately. Power Supply Information and Selection __________________ Power Supply and Selection