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Old 07-19-2008, 09:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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need some input on a build

well to anser your qestions first:

1. Budget: How much money are you willing to spend on the new build? around 900-1k

2. Brands: Are there any brands of components you want or don't want? as long as they perfom decent no

3. Multitasking: Will you be multitasking with this computer and if so, how much? gaming vent music player 3rd partys like xfire, all may be running at the same time

4. Gaming: Will you be gaming and if so, how much and how new are the games? o yah alot, hope to run the newwest decently

5. Calculations: Will you be doing any intense calculations or media encoding? dont beleive so

6. Overclocking: Do you plan on overclocking and if so, how much?
um i would like to but not too certain on how to do it but geuss you gotta learn some how

7. Storage: How much storage will you need and what will you be storing? anywhere from 250-500gb will keep me good at the start n i'll buy more as i need it

8. Legacy Support: Will you need support for older hardware like parallel, serial, or PS/2 devices?
dont beleive so

9. Operating System: Do you want Windows XP or Vista, or Linux compatibility? well i'm looking for a good gamer for new games, which do you recommend ?

10. Case: Do you want help selecting a case and if so, how big do you want it? yes ,and could it be atx full ? unless i really dont need it XD i know its dumb but i like lights lol and good air flow

11. Accessories: Do you want a keyboard, mouse, or other items included? nope have those

12. Recycled Components: Will you be reusing any components you already have? no sir

13. Monitor: If you want a monitor, what size do you want and should it be widescreen? i would like a monitor 5ms refrsh at least anywhere from 17-19 inch is good

14. Stores: Do you have any online stores that you prefer to purchase from? normally new egg but if you know some other good ones i dont mind looking :D

15. Location: What country do you live in?
i live in Spokane Washington, or the u.s.a

And what i've come up with so far is as follows:

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128337

power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139004

processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102747

case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811166004

hard drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136161

monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009127
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:17 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: need some input on a build

If this were my build, I would kick that power supply up to a 650 just to be safe.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: need some input on a build

alright thx i'll look into it

also which Os do you recommend ?
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Old 07-20-2008, 02:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Your motherboard has a good price, but it only has a PCI Express x16. Newer video cards get much more out of a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot. Your first mobo choice will bottleneck the awesomeness of the Radeon 4850 and future cards.

A better choice for only $15 more, same CPU socket.

The Radeon 4850 is awesome, but Palit makes a better video card.
Only $5 more

For RAM, Kingston or Crucial are pretty much the best. Lifetime warrenties means you're not screwed if they go bad after 30 days. Recommended
Save $10 if don't want a fan, but only do that if you plan to get a cooling system for your whole case.

You chose a good power supply, processor, case, hard drive, and monitor. I don't believe you'll be disappointed by any of those.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot you were asking about the OS. Some newer games will require Windows Vista, plus you need a 64-bit operating system to utilize more than 3.3GB of RAM. With Vista you can max out your RAM (8GB on this board) and play any game.

I recommend you get yourself ready to Crossfire the 4850 sometime in the future if want to play games like Crysis.
A mobo that will do it for ya well

It's more expensive but it gives you better options.

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Old 07-20-2008, 06:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: need some input on a build

alright well i will go with the new mobo but need to ask, will the ram i choose run on that mobo? being 1000 and mobo saying takes 1066 as standerd

because true the ram you chose is nice but goes over what i can spend

also thanks ^^

is it wont run it the best i can do for my self ( dont know if i can afford it hope so) is the following

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166

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Old 07-20-2008, 07:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: need some input on a build

Graphic card Nvidia 9800GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150287

ATI 4750 is a good PSU .. aprox. same price range., you will more than likely need to install a better fan on the ATI card. 30.00 -40.00 ish fan

Mobo..
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-DS3R
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-EP43D3R

Ram Kingston PC2 6400
OC Vista 64-bit
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Old 07-21-2008, 08:37 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yea, the RAM you posted is 1066.

The mobo I posted says it takes 1200 RAM, but I'm pretty darn sure 1066 will run just fine on it, even for startup (may someone correct me if you know I'm wrong)... besides, the 1200 is more expensive (and doesn't even come in 2gb sticks!!!).

If you want to get the cheaper RAM, you can go for it, and that memory will probably work just fine for you (nice price btw), but Kingston and Crucial offer lifetime warrenties and as such are far more motivated than other manufacturers to not ship out potential DOAs.

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OMGmissinglink's mobo post has only one problem... it has only 1 PCIe 16x 2.0 slot (the only other PCIe slot is a 1.0 that runs in 4x... not good for CrossFire). If you're going to CrossFire, which may be a good option for you in the future since you have a specific budget for what you're going to spend today, you will need two solid PCIe 16x 2.0 slots, which is what the $150 mobo has.

If you don't want to invest in the option to CrossFire, just get the $95 one and upgrade to a better single card later. Or just getting the Radeon 4870 instead of the 4850.

Honestly, with the cheaper motherboard, I'd say your money is better spent on the 4870. But if you must not stray from your budget even $100, get the $150 mobo and the 4850 with plans to CrossFire in the future.

By itself, the 4850 will provide strong performance with all the current games, as well as Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 (if you're looking forward to those as much as I am). But for first-person-shooter games coming out in the future, you'll need to upgrade past the lone 4850 to get it to play at your desired levels. Crysis may seem like a lame gimmick to get people to buy more, expensive hardware, but games even one year from now won't be much less demanding on average than Crysis.

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Re: need some input on a build

thank for the input, yah i'll prolly stick to the better mobo ( this one http://www.newegg.com/Produc/Product...82E16813128347)
you posted along with the 4850

as for the ram i meant the ddr2 1000

this ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

if this will not run on the mobo you posted then i geuss i'll have to up the ram to these.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166

not trying to build the most amazing system in the world right away, just trying to get off my 5700 ultra and my single core 2.2gh proc XD

sucks having this lemited of a budget too

also thank you much for the inpput so far would love to hear more

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Update: If you really want to be set for the future, like up to 3 years, get the following:

mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813130157
Just don't worry about overclocking or going RAID for a couple months... shouldn't be a problem.

The good thing about this board is that it supports ddr2 OR ddr3 RAM.
DDR3 - expensive, eh? Not worth it if you ask me. You could upgrade to this when the price goes down to something reasonable.
DDR2 - actually cheaper than the RAM for the other mobo's, but not as fast.

This mobo will let you CrossFire in full 16x x 16x 4870s. Expensive as hell but gets you set for the long run. You will need a bigger PSU, too. Like one of these.

EDIT: haha posted this before I saw your response. You're going to need to put your url's into a coded format (or whatever it's called), such as [url=blah blah blah]word/phrase[ /url] (without the space between [ and /). Right now the links you posted are unusable since they're length is greater than the width of the website at 1280x1024 resolution.

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Your motherboard has a good price, but it only has a PCI Express x16. Newer video cards get much more out of a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot. Your first mobo choice will bottleneck the awesomeness of the Radeon 4850 and future cards.

A better choice for only $15 more, same CPU socket.

The Radeon 4850 is awesome, but Palit makes a better video card.
Only $5 more

For RAM, Kingston or Crucial are pretty much the best. Lifetime warrenties means you're not screwed if they go bad after 30 days. Recommended
Save $10 if don't want a fan, but only do that if you plan to get a cooling system for your whole case.

You chose a good power supply, processor, case, hard drive, and monitor. I don't believe you'll be disappointed by any of those.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot you were asking about the OS. Some newer games will require Windows Vista, plus you need a 64-bit operating system to utilize more than 3.3GB of RAM. With Vista you can max out your RAM (8GB on this board) and play any game.

I recommend you get yourself ready to Crossfire the 4850 sometime in the future if want to play games like Crysis.
A mobo that will do it for ya well

It's more expensive but it gives you better options.
Stay with the mobo i'd posted it has more PCI slots for other devices.

GPU PCI-E slots don't mean nothing other than 1 PCI-E slot supports 2.0, neither does the ATI card suggestion,

Nvidia's GPU for spanking gaming:

GPU card compairing! Both NVIDA GeForce GTX 260 & NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB spank ATI's 4870.

Crossfire & sli is wasted $$$$

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=3&id=2603

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0.o it would appear that the 9800gtx, with some models at a similar price to the radeon 4850, are superior.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150287

and OMGmissinglink's link. What's bothering me is the huge price range on the 9800gtx's for sale...

btw a pcie 2.0 gives better performance with a pcie 2.0 gpu than a 1.0 does with a 2.0 gpu... that's why the new slot was developed. And the 4800's are PCIe 2.0 gpu's.

It's too late and I'm going to go to bed, but tomorrow I'll get benchmark comparisons to you. Get some mathcraft going >= |

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[quote=toothman;1604643]0.o it would appear that the 9800gtx, with some models at a similar price to the radeon 4850, are superior.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150287

and OMGmissinglink's link.

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What's bothering me is the huge price range on the 9800gtx's for sale....
Price range on ATI 4870 about same as GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB

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btw a pcie 2.0 gives better performance with a pcie 2.0 gpu than a 1.0 does with a 2.0 gpu... that's why the new slot was developed. And the 4800's are PCIe 2.0 gpu's.
Both ATI 4870 & GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB PCI-E 2.0 supported.

Gigabyte E43 mod. mobo I suggested supports 2.0 gpu PCI-E
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