High Performance Computer

Loren1711 · 07-03-2008, 08:56 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for any advice you can offer. I apologize if this post is a little bit longer than the typical one.

So heres the deal... I am attempting to purchase a computer suitable for day trading, therefore it must run multiple monitors, and relatively intense charting programs. Upon initial operation this computer must be able to run 4 24 inch monitors, all running the same resolution. I would like a computer that I can "grow with" and therefore must be sustainable for preferably 3+ years.

So I went to a local computer shop, and this is what they quoted me for the following products:

Case - 169.95 Markup to Newegg: 39.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129154

Power Supply - 279.95 Newegg Doesn't Carry So... Markup: 90.00
http://www.xpcgear.com/1010gxssli.html

Mother Board - 299.95 Markup to Newegg: 9.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131284

Processor - 599.95 Markup to Newegg: 49.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115041

System Memory - 119.95 Markup to Newegg: 20.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227248

DVD Drive - 29.95 Markup to Newegg: 9.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135151

DVD-RW Drive - 39.95 Markup to Newegg: 12.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135168

Hard Drives - 2x 109.95 Markup to Newegg: 59.92
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148136

Video Card - 449.95 Markup to Newegg: 154.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131284
And Newegg Gives Two Free Games
Look at the combo with the power supply?

Network Card - 44.95 Markup to Newegg: 20.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833106121

XP Pro - 169.95 Markup to Newegg: 29.96
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116515

The system they built also came with three additional fans that I was unable to find replacements for:

2x 120mm x 25mm 72cfm 14dba Ixtrema Pro - 22.95 Each
1x OCZ Vend2 Skt 478, 754, 775, 939 AM2 Cooler - 49.95

They also tacked on a 150.00 Custom System Build fee and a 49.95 NOD 32 antivirus subscription, something I had never heard of.

Just the parts I have found replacements for consist of a 499.56 markup to those carried by newegg.

Since these parts are available for a 500 dollar discount on newegg I would hate to spend that just to have someone assemble the computer. Unfortunately I would not be able to assemble this myself, but spending an extra 500 dollars is not an option.

So how difficult would it be to assemble all of this myself? If I were to order this, would each of the parts come with all of the necessary cables/installation equipment etc? This will be the first computer I have assembled from scratch.

Again sorry for the long post, but thanks for any advice you can offer,

Loren

jumbo1990ny · 07-03-2008, 09:40 PM

video card and motherboard are the same

Loren1711 · 07-03-2008, 10:00 PM

Good call haha

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121247

this is the video card.

Loren1711 · 07-03-2008, 10:32 PM

Alright I tried to edit the last two for each response, but no cigar, seems as if the edit button disappears relatively quickly.

Ok so after a bunch of reading on this site and browsing newegg I changed one thing as shown below, and came up with a couple questions for you guys and girls.

I decided to stick with the case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129154 but go with the combo using this power supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371012
which brings the total of case and power supply to 329.98, a savings of 119.92
Tell me what you think about this decision.

Okay, heres the questions:
1) What is this stuff about heat sinks and the paste and whatnot. Looking through some stuff somethings said intel processors did not need it while some did not specify. If I stay with intel processors will I have to do this?
2) What is the deal between the duo processors and the quads. The speeds on the duos seem significantly higher than those on the quads at a much cheaper price, yet most seem to recommend a quad.
3) I am coming closer and closer to doing this myself lol, but still have a few concerns, so I'm sure I will need more help. I had another question but now I can't remember it, so I'm off to bed.

Thanks again everyone, and much thanks to those that can offer any sort of advice.

EDIT: Oh yeah other question...

Why is AMD stuff so much cheaper than intel. Their quads dont have quite the speed, but half the cost. I could get a dual at 3.0+ ghz for half that of intels dual 3.0. Public consensus?

magnethead · 07-04-2008, 12:39 AM

do NOT use the PSU that comes with ANY case. they are 110% guaranteed junk.

technology does not yet use 4 cores. Unless you plan to burn a DVD movi, play a game in high detail, and defrag at the same time, you won't need 4 cores. all CPU's need thermal paste. Intels come with it pre-applied to the heatsink, and while i'm lazy and use it, it's generally advised to use Artic Silver 5.

vladimirb · 07-04-2008, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnethead

do NOT use the PSU that comes with ANY case. they are 110% guaranteed junk.

Take Magnetheads advice please ^-^
Or you will be doomed ^-^

Loren1711 · 07-04-2008, 11:08 AM

Okay I haven't gone back and looked at the power supply yet, but I will later this afternoon. Basically I have decided to go with a 2 core processor instead of a 4. It seems that as long as the motherboard is compatible with a quad I could easily toss one in in the future as the technology advances.

I downgraded the motherboard based on some threads I viewed and chose this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131196

I then chose this processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

So with my goal in mind, a total of 4 24 inch monitors running perhaps 12-15 charts would these be sufficient? I know the interface supports the video card, and I am assuming they would function well, is there anything I am missing?

Videocard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121247

Would there be a cheaper more efficient way to run four monitors?
Also a few power supply recommendations would be helpful.

Thanks,
Loren

patriothntr · 07-04-2008, 04:37 PM

The PSU you have picked out is a combo deal, it does not "come with the case" in the sense they are talking about...it should be more than adequate...probably overkill for your current setup.

Look for a 750 watt PSU...something like a seasonic, PC Power and Cooling, corsair...

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 02:36 PM

I am no longer an antec fan as they have shown signs of cutting costs lately .....

Seasonic
Corsair
Thermaltake Toughpower
Coolermaster Real Power Pro

any unit of 750 watts by these manuf's will suit you fine!

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 02:38 PM

good choice on the video card >>>> alot of muscle for good price

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 02:40 PM

X38 and X48 motherboards are crazily overpriced

I would stick with the Intel P35 chipset or maybe the P43 >>>>if the prices are $200.00 or under ????

stick with either Gigabyte or Asus when it comes to motherboards !

the Gigabyte EP35-DS4 is alot of motherboard

outermon · 07-06-2008, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnethead

do NOT use the PSU that comes with ANY case. they are 110% guaranteed junk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vladimirb

Take Magnetheads advice please ^-^
Or you will be doomed ^-^

You're both wrong. That power supply wasn't bundled with the case as a single product, it was a newegg combo deal, hence the two links. That Antec PSU looked pretty good. Read carefully next time you guys. But otherwise, you guys give awesome advice, and I appreciate all you guys do here.

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 05:03 PM

The antec quattro is not a high quality power supply; its a fraud / for that kind of money you can do alot better

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 05:06 PM

read carefully

http://www.overclockersonline.net/?p...um=1392&pnum=4

if antec will dump on that review writer ............. what chances have YOU

**linderman** · 07-06-2008, 05:08 PM

[quote=outermon;1575961]
Antec PSU looked pretty good. Read carefully next time you guys. /QUOTE]

............ see link above

patriothntr · 07-06-2008, 09:06 PM

I thought I heard something about that being an issue with the nvidia drivers, not the PSUs themselves.

ah, here we are...looks like the issue with a few older PSUs has been fixed with nvidia drivers v169.44 and up...so a driver issue, as antec had stated in the review...

**linderman** · 07-07-2008, 12:25 PM

about 6 months ago / they stopped using the same supplier for capicators that seasonic was using, they went to a cheaper grade of them / that when they stopped using seasonics UL approval number on their top of the line units.

07-03-2008, 08:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
Loren1711 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8 OS: XP Pro SP3	High Performance Computer Hey everyone, thanks for any advice you can offer. I apologize if this post is a little bit longer than the typical one. So heres the deal... I am attempting to purchase a computer suitable for day trading, therefore it must run multiple monitors, and relatively intense charting programs. Upon initial operation this computer must be able to run 4 24 inch monitors, all running the same resolution. I would like a computer that I can "grow with" and therefore must be sustainable for preferably 3+ years. So I went to a local computer shop, and this is what they quoted me for the following products: Case - 169.95 Markup to Newegg: 39.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129154 Power Supply - 279.95 Newegg Doesn't Carry So... Markup: 90.00 http://www.xpcgear.com/1010gxssli.html Mother Board - 299.95 Markup to Newegg: 9.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131284 Processor - 599.95 Markup to Newegg: 49.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115041 System Memory - 119.95 Markup to Newegg: 20.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227248 DVD Drive - 29.95 Markup to Newegg: 9.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135151 DVD-RW Drive - 39.95 Markup to Newegg: 12.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827135168 Hard Drives - 2x 109.95 Markup to Newegg: 59.92 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148136 Video Card - 449.95 Markup to Newegg: 154.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131284 And Newegg Gives Two Free Games Look at the combo with the power supply? Network Card - 44.95 Markup to Newegg: 20.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833106121 XP Pro - 169.95 Markup to Newegg: 29.96 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116515 The system they built also came with three additional fans that I was unable to find replacements for: 2x 120mm x 25mm 72cfm 14dba Ixtrema Pro - 22.95 Each 1x OCZ Vend2 Skt 478, 754, 775, 939 AM2 Cooler - 49.95 They also tacked on a 150.00 Custom System Build fee and a 49.95 NOD 32 antivirus subscription, something I had never heard of. Just the parts I have found replacements for consist of a 499.56 markup to those carried by newegg. Since these parts are available for a 500 dollar discount on newegg I would hate to spend that just to have someone assemble the computer. Unfortunately I would not be able to assemble this myself, but spending an extra 500 dollars is not an option. So how difficult would it be to assemble all of this myself? If I were to order this, would each of the parts come with all of the necessary cables/installation equipment etc? This will be the first computer I have assembled from scratch. Again sorry for the long post, but thanks for any advice you can offer, Loren

07-03-2008, 09:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
jumbo1990ny Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 59 OS: Vista	Re: High Performance Computer video card and motherboard are the same

07-03-2008, 10:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Loren1711 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8 OS: XP Pro SP3	Re: High Performance Computer Good call haha http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121247 this is the video card.

07-03-2008, 10:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Loren1711 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8 OS: XP Pro SP3	Re: High Performance Computer Alright I tried to edit the last two for each response, but no cigar, seems as if the edit button disappears relatively quickly. Ok so after a bunch of reading on this site and browsing newegg I changed one thing as shown below, and came up with a couple questions for you guys and girls. I decided to stick with the case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129154 but go with the combo using this power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371012 which brings the total of case and power supply to 329.98, a savings of 119.92 Tell me what you think about this decision. Okay, heres the questions: 1) What is this stuff about heat sinks and the paste and whatnot. Looking through some stuff somethings said intel processors did not need it while some did not specify. If I stay with intel processors will I have to do this? 2) What is the deal between the duo processors and the quads. The speeds on the duos seem significantly higher than those on the quads at a much cheaper price, yet most seem to recommend a quad. 3) I am coming closer and closer to doing this myself lol, but still have a few concerns, so I'm sure I will need more help. I had another question but now I can't remember it, so I'm off to bed. Thanks again everyone, and much thanks to those that can offer any sort of advice. EDIT: Oh yeah other question... Why is AMD stuff so much cheaper than intel. Their quads dont have quite the speed, but half the cost. I could get a dual at 3.0+ ghz for half that of intels dual 3.0. Public consensus? Last edited by Loren1711 : 07-03-2008 at 10:41 PM.

07-04-2008, 12:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
magnethead Tech Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: TX Posts: 1,777 OS: XPH, 2K My System Blog Entries: 2	Re: High Performance Computer do NOT use the PSU that comes with ANY case. they are 110% guaranteed junk. technology does not yet use 4 cores. Unless you plan to burn a DVD movi, play a game in high detail, and defrag at the same time, you won't need 4 cores. all CPU's need thermal paste. Intels come with it pre-applied to the heatsink, and while i'm lazy and use it, it's generally advised to use Artic Silver 5. __________________ AIM me: MAGNET794 For proper support: what are you running? video card, cpu, m/board, ram, power supply, brand, wattage, any error message? PCI-E requires 26 amps at 12 volts. That's a 650W PSU. Power Supply Info and Selection . Info on thermal compounds & application . TEST PSU USING MULTI-METER

07-04-2008, 11:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Loren1711 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8 OS: XP Pro SP3	Re: High Performance Computer Okay I haven't gone back and looked at the power supply yet, but I will later this afternoon. Basically I have decided to go with a 2 core processor instead of a 4. It seems that as long as the motherboard is compatible with a quad I could easily toss one in in the future as the technology advances. I downgraded the motherboard based on some threads I viewed and chose this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131196 I then chose this processor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037 So with my goal in mind, a total of 4 24 inch monitors running perhaps 12-15 charts would these be sufficient? I know the interface supports the video card, and I am assuming they would function well, is there anything I am missing? Videocard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121247 Would there be a cheaper more efficient way to run four monitors? Also a few power supply recommendations would be helpful. Thanks, Loren

07-04-2008, 04:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
patriothntr Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 321 OS: XPsp3, PCLOS, other	Re: High Performance Computer The PSU you have picked out is a combo deal, it does not "come with the case" in the sense they are talking about...it should be more than adequate...probably overkill for your current setup. Look for a 750 watt PSU...something like a seasonic, PC Power and Cooling, corsair...

07-06-2008, 02:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer I am no longer an antec fan as they have shown signs of cutting costs lately ..... Seasonic Corsair Thermaltake Toughpower Coolermaster Real Power Pro any unit of 750 watts by these manuf's will suit you fine! __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-06-2008, 02:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer good choice on the video card >>>> alot of muscle for good price __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-06-2008, 02:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer X38 and X48 motherboards are crazily overpriced I would stick with the Intel P35 chipset or maybe the P43 >>>>if the prices are $200.00 or under ???? stick with either Gigabyte or Asus when it comes to motherboards ! the Gigabyte EP35-DS4 is alot of motherboard __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-06-2008, 05:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer The antec quattro is not a high quality power supply; its a fraud / for that kind of money you can do alot better __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-06-2008, 05:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer read carefully http://www.overclockersonline.net/?p...um=1392&pnum=4 if antec will dump on that review writer ............. what chances have YOU __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent. Last edited by linderman : 07-06-2008 at 05:19 PM.

07-06-2008, 05:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer [quote=outermon;1575961] Antec PSU looked pretty good. Read carefully next time you guys. /QUOTE] ............ see link above __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.

07-06-2008, 09:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
patriothntr Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 321 OS: XPsp3, PCLOS, other	Re: High Performance Computer I thought I heard something about that being an issue with the nvidia drivers, not the PSUs themselves. ah, here we are...looks like the issue with a few older PSUs has been fixed with nvidia drivers v169.44 and up...so a driver issue, as antec had stated in the review...

07-07-2008, 12:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 13,696 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: High Performance Computer about 6 months ago / they stopped using the same supplier for capicators that seasonic was using, they went to a cheaper grade of them / that when they stopped using seasonics UL approval number on their top of the line units. __________________ If you cant be polite and friendly; then please be silent.