New computer

jtorassa · 01-18-2008, 09:47 PM

I am not sure if this is where I should post this but looking around I couldn't find anything that was what I needed. I do not want to build a computer due to the fact that I am not very good when it comes to computers. However I was looking into buying a computer for gaming purposes. The type of games would be playing would be mostly RPG's that are somewhat new. I have a budget around $700 dollars and would prefer to run XP. That price would be for the PC itself and not for the accesories or anything. However that does not mean I want a $699.99 computer with nothing else included. I am a poor college student so the cheaper the better (while still being good). I was looking around and found this PC http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Intel-Dual-C...QQcmdZViewItem I wanted to know if you thought this was any good or just crap?

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 08:14 AM

The one you found is pretty good for the price. The video card kind of sucks. But i'll still see if i can find something better.

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 08:33 AM

After reading though the page you posted that computer doesn't come with a operating system. Farther down on the page is a customize button so i went in and customized the same pc only with a better video card and an operating system and a better power supply.
Its came out to about 727$

http://emartcart.com/cart/odb/cart.o...erchantID=3715

But if you take out the os it'll be 100$ less

**mattlock** · 01-19-2008, 08:33 AM

The power supply in that PC is a very power quality unit, and would need to be replaced.

EDIT:

Nice input Emosun. What PSU did include in the upgrade?

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 08:43 AM

hmm my link appears to not be working lol, but i think it was a antec neo 500w

link should work now

http://emartcart.com/cart/odb/cart.o...erchantID=3715

**mattlock** · 01-19-2008, 09:06 AM

Still not working Emosun, it probably needs the cookie from your PC to know the configuration you chose.

Here are the PSUs that I see available and the only 2 I would recommend are the Trio and Toughpower.

430watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-430-PMSR $19
430watt Thermaltake TR2 $29
550watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-550-PCAR $49
500watt Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 $69
650watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-650-PCAR $79
650watt Antec TruePower Trio 650 TP3-650 $109
700watt Thermaltake Toughpower W0105 $149

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 11:19 AM

Hmm ok, Well the settings I used were the same pc he picked, but I went with the 8600 256, and go with the antec trio, and that should be a pretty good pc. If you do get 4 gigs of ram with it be sure to get a 64 bit os such as xp 64bit or vista 64bit.

heres the customize page
http://www.ecollegepc.com/computers/...r_intelpci.htm

jtorassa · 01-19-2008, 02:44 PM

Thanks for all your help. Do you think it would be cheaper if I waited a few months to get an upgraded graphics card (probably in the summer when I have more time/money) Also would the XP Professional be a 64bit. Or would I have to buy something else? what are the benefits to a 64bit vs. the 32 bit? If the OS that ecollegepc has is not 64bit is there another place where I can still buy XP legally?

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 03:00 PM

I don't think it would be cheaper to wait for the cards to come down in price but i do think you should get something with a 8600 or better. The advantage of a 64bit os is it supports the 4gb of ram in the pc. So you could get 4gb of ram and xp 64bit, or 2 gb of ram and just use xp 32 bit. And on the customize page they have an option to include the os.

jtorassa · 01-19-2008, 03:44 PM

So are both the XP pro and home that they show 64 bit? Or would I/should I buy the more expensive one?

**emosun** · 01-19-2008, 03:54 PM

oh i see what you mean. apparently they dont have xp 64bit only vista in 64bit, you could get vista 64bit which would work just fine or get xp64bit somewhere else.

**mattlock** · 01-19-2008, 09:14 PM

The disadvantage of 64bit XP is the lack of driver and software support.

**FreoHeaveho** · 01-20-2008, 06:07 AM

And no real performance increases.

01-18-2008, 09:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
jtorassa Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 45 OS: xp	New computer I am not sure if this is where I should post this but looking around I couldn't find anything that was what I needed. I do not want to build a computer due to the fact that I am not very good when it comes to computers. However I was looking into buying a computer for gaming purposes. The type of games would be playing would be mostly RPG's that are somewhat new. I have a budget around $700 dollars and would prefer to run XP. That price would be for the PC itself and not for the accesories or anything. However that does not mean I want a $699.99 computer with nothing else included. I am a poor college student so the cheaper the better (while still being good). I was looking around and found this PC http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Intel-Dual-C...QQcmdZViewItem I wanted to know if you thought this was any good or just crap?

01-19-2008, 08:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer The one you found is pretty good for the price. The video card kind of sucks. But i'll still see if i can find something better. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list Last edited by emosun; 01-19-2008 at 08:20 AM.

01-19-2008, 08:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer After reading though the page you posted that computer doesn't come with a operating system. Farther down on the page is a customize button so i went in and customized the same pc only with a better video card and an operating system and a better power supply. Its came out to about 727$ http://emartcart.com/cart/odb/cart.o...erchantID=3715 But if you take out the os it'll be 100$ less __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list Last edited by emosun; 01-19-2008 at 08:48 AM.

01-19-2008, 08:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: New computer The power supply in that PC is a very power quality unit, and would need to be replaced. EDIT: Nice input Emosun. What PSU did include in the upgrade? __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free! Last edited by mattlock; 01-19-2008 at 08:37 AM.

01-19-2008, 08:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer hmm my link appears to not be working lol, but i think it was a antec neo 500w link should work now http://emartcart.com/cart/odb/cart.o...erchantID=3715 __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list Last edited by emosun; 01-19-2008 at 08:48 AM.

01-19-2008, 09:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: New computer Still not working Emosun, it probably needs the cookie from your PC to know the configuration you chose. Here are the PSUs that I see available and the only 2 I would recommend are the Trio and Toughpower. 430watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-430-PMSR $19 430watt Thermaltake TR2 $29 550watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-550-PCAR $49 500watt Antec SmartPower 2.0 SP-500 $69 650watt Cooler Master eXtreme Power RS-650-PCAR $79 650watt Antec TruePower Trio 650 TP3-650 $109 700watt Thermaltake Toughpower W0105 $149 __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free!

01-19-2008, 11:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer Hmm ok, Well the settings I used were the same pc he picked, but I went with the 8600 256, and go with the antec trio, and that should be a pretty good pc. If you do get 4 gigs of ram with it be sure to get a 64 bit os such as xp 64bit or vista 64bit. heres the customize page http://www.ecollegepc.com/computers/...r_intelpci.htm __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

01-19-2008, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
jtorassa Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 45 OS: xp	Re: New computer Thanks for all your help. Do you think it would be cheaper if I waited a few months to get an upgraded graphics card (probably in the summer when I have more time/money) Also would the XP Professional be a 64bit. Or would I have to buy something else? what are the benefits to a 64bit vs. the 32 bit? If the OS that ecollegepc has is not 64bit is there another place where I can still buy XP legally?

01-19-2008, 03:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer I don't think it would be cheaper to wait for the cards to come down in price but i do think you should get something with a 8600 or better. The advantage of a 64bit os is it supports the 4gb of ram in the pc. So you could get 4gb of ram and xp 64bit, or 2 gb of ram and just use xp 32 bit. And on the customize page they have an option to include the os. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

01-19-2008, 03:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
jtorassa Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 45 OS: xp	Re: New computer So are both the XP pro and home that they show 64 bit? Or would I/should I buy the more expensive one?

01-19-2008, 03:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
emosun Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: usa Posts: 6,966 OS: xp pro sp2 My System	Re: New computer oh i see what you mean. apparently they dont have xp 64bit only vista in 64bit, you could get vista 64bit which would work just fine or get xp64bit somewhere else. __________________ Gpu Benchmarks Cpu-Z Power supply information and selection Gpu-Z Video card quick list

01-19-2008, 09:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
mattlock Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,183 OS: XP SP2, Win 7 Beta, Win 7 RC My System	Re: New computer The disadvantage of 64bit XP is the lack of driver and software support. __________________ Matt Everest-Thermal Paste Instruction-Power Supply Info-Sensorview PSU Calculator-Speedfan-Bench Test Help TSF Fight Disease. It's Free!

01-20-2008, 06:07 AM	#13 (permalink)
FreoHeaveho TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 3,213 OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64 SP2, Windows XP Professional SP3, Mac OSX Leopard My System	Re: New computer And no real performance increases. __________________ PC Wizard-VGA 2009 Charts-Power Supply Info-Multi/Single Rail PSU?-Speedfan-Driver Sweeper