New Computer ~ Thoughts?

Red_X_ · 01-13-2008, 01:28 PM

Well here is what I have selected

http://www.newegg.com is were I am purchasing it.

AMD Athlone X2 6000+
2gb Kingston HyperX Duel Channel DDR2(6400)
2x Radeon 3850
ASUS AM2 AMD 580X CrossFire ATX AMD Motherboard
OCzGamer 700w PowerSupply
Acer 22'' Widescreen LCD HDCP
Steel ATX Full Tower Case
Light-Srcribe 20x DVD Burner

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Any suggestions? (if you want the newegg ID's let me know)

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 01-13-2008, 04:24 PM

i would say get a highend card like a (g92) 8800 gts it will be cheaper and faster

**TheMatt** · 01-13-2008, 09:37 PM

I would also bump down to the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ black edition and choose the AMD 790FX chipset. Go with a board like the Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 and a good heatsink like the Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128074
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185125

Red_X_ · 01-14-2008, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatt

I would also bump down to the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ black edition and choose the AMD 790FX chipset. Go with a board like the Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 and a good heatsink like the Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128074
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185125

**TheMatt** · 01-14-2008, 07:31 PM

The MA790FX-DS5 is a higher quality board and will support the Phenom if you decide to upgrade. Additionally, the 5000+ black edition is on 65nm so it will produce much less heat. Furthermore, it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily increase the core clock speed if you so desire without having to hassle with an FSB overclock. Another point is that the 8800GT will be much more powerful than the HD 3870 in almost every game, at least until ATi/AMD releases better drivers.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224

If you still like the ATi card that will only hinder performance in games (although you could make up for that some by overclocking). But getting the motherboard with the 790FX chipset will definitely pay off later.

Red_X_ · 01-14-2008, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatt

The MA790FX-DS5 is a higher quality board and will support the Phenom if you decide to upgrade. Additionally, the 5000+ black edition is on 65nm so it will produce much less heat. Furthermore, it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily increase the core clock speed if you so desire without having to hassle with an FSB overclock. Another point is that the 8800GT will be much more powerful than the HD 3870 in almost every game, at least until ATi/AMD releases better drivers.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224

If you still like the ATi card that will only hinder performance in games (although you could make up for that some by overclocking). But getting the motherboard with the 790FX chipset will definitely pay off later.

Ok, I took your advice on the MOBO, and processor. As the processer thing is pretty ingenious idea. :P I'm just lazy, but this will give the motivation(about 70$ worth)

And I downed the monitor to:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116092

But now i'm in a lock, between a XFX 8800GS, or the 3870.

I am not a huge NVidia fan....but the XFX I hear is amazing smooth, and quiet.

But like I said above, I have never had a problem with ATI / AMD.

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 01-14-2008, 09:34 PM

i actually if getting a nvidia card would go for evag they have amazing return policys

Red_X_ · 01-14-2008, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 g0t 0wn3d

i actually if getting a nvidia card would go for evag they have amazing return policys

I see a few, trying to keep the card under 300. I see like, one card thats under 300(thats in). It doesn't fall into my want category.

Also, a questoin to throw out there, do I need a power supply of 750W? Or could I drop it down to like 600 / 550? If so, links?

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 01-14-2008, 09:43 PM

i would stay at the 750 its a very nice unit, but if you wanted you could bump it down to a 650 watt like a antec trio 650 watt

Red_X_ · 01-14-2008, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 g0t 0wn3d

i would stay at the 750 its a very nice unit, but if you wanted you could bump it down to a 650 watt like a antec trio 650 watt

I'll stick with my current PS.

After doing some research out on the net, from other reviews / video card specs, and some motherboards.

This is what I found, and like:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102719 - VC -- SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP

Something, that I have been curious about also. If a MOBO does not say 'SLI / Crossfire' supported, can it still duel card?

Red_X_ · 01-15-2008, 12:08 AM

How are the AMD Phenom say : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103226

compared to my current choice? Not by speed or anything, I mean compared to reliability, and is it even worth the upgrade?

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 01-15-2008, 06:47 AM

Not at the moment they have not worked out all the bugs yet but they should be good soon

No you cant go dual card if it does not support crossfire or sli

And yes the 3870 s a very nice card

**TheMatt** · 01-15-2008, 12:39 PM

Since the 3870 is on 55nm it will easily run on a 650W power supplies with a 100W processor and several disk drives with no issues. Hopefully ATi/AMD will work on their drivers more and the 3870 will catch up to the 8800GT. You can however pair up two 3870s on the 790FX chipset and they will work in CF at full x16, x16 speed.

Look at this card because it has a better cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127315

Red_X_ · 01-15-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMatt

Since the 3870 is on 55nm it will easily run on a 650W power supplies with a 100W processor and several disk drives with no issues. Hopefully ATi/AMD will work on their drivers more and the 3870 will catch up to the 8800GT. You can however pair up two 3870s on the 790FX chipset and they will work in CF at full x16, x16 speed.

Look at this card because it has a better cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127315

So I can crossfire, on a 790FX chipset? Guranteed? As I plan on ordering this thing friday.

And I like that card. :)

**TheMatt** · 01-15-2008, 02:02 PM

Yep, and I can tell you that 2x 3870 will yield outstanding performance on the 790FX despite ATi/AMDs shortfalls.

01-13-2008, 01:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
Red_X_ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 60 OS: Windows 7 X64 My System	New Computer ~ Thoughts? Well here is what I have selected http://www.newegg.com is were I am purchasing it. AMD Athlone X2 6000+ 2gb Kingston HyperX Duel Channel DDR2(6400) 2x Radeon 3850 ASUS AM2 AMD 580X CrossFire ATX AMD Motherboard OCzGamer 700w PowerSupply Acer 22'' Widescreen LCD HDCP Steel ATX Full Tower Case Light-Srcribe 20x DVD Burner -- Any suggestions? (if you want the newegg ID's let me know) Last edited by Red_X_; 01-13-2008 at 01:33 PM.

01-13-2008, 04:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? i would say get a highend card like a (g92) 8800 gts it will be cheaper and faster __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

01-13-2008, 09:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? I would also bump down to the Athlon 64 X2 5000+ black edition and choose the AMD 790FX chipset. Go with a board like the Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5 and a good heatsink like the Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128074 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185125 __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides

01-14-2008, 07:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? The MA790FX-DS5 is a higher quality board and will support the Phenom if you decide to upgrade. Additionally, the 5000+ black edition is on 65nm so it will produce much less heat. Furthermore, it has an unlocked multiplier so you can easily increase the core clock speed if you so desire without having to hassle with an FSB overclock. Another point is that the 8800GT will be much more powerful than the HD 3870 in almost every game, at least until ATi/AMD releases better drivers. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121224 If you still like the ATi card that will only hinder performance in games (although you could make up for that some by overclocking). But getting the motherboard with the 790FX chipset will definitely pay off later. __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides Last edited by TheMatt; 01-14-2008 at 07:36 PM.

01-14-2008, 09:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? i actually if getting a nvidia card would go for evag they have amazing return policys __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

01-14-2008, 09:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? i would stay at the 750 its a very nice unit, but if you wanted you could bump it down to a 650 watt like a antec trio 650 watt __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

01-15-2008, 12:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Red_X_ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 60 OS: Windows 7 X64 My System	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? How are the AMD Phenom say : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103226 compared to my current choice? Not by speed or anything, I mean compared to reliability, and is it even worth the upgrade?

01-15-2008, 06:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
1 g0t 0wn3d TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sedona, az Posts: 6,528 OS: Vista basic 32bit My System	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? Not at the moment they have not worked out all the bugs yet but they should be good soon No you cant go dual card if it does not support crossfire or sli And yes the 3870 s a very nice card __________________ Bench Test \| PC Wizard \| System specs \| PSU info \| PSU calculator \| Memtest86+ \| Speedfan

01-15-2008, 12:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? Since the 3870 is on 55nm it will easily run on a 650W power supplies with a 100W processor and several disk drives with no issues. Hopefully ATi/AMD will work on their drivers more and the 3870 will catch up to the 8800GT. You can however pair up two 3870s on the 790FX chipset and they will work in CF at full x16, x16 speed. Look at this card because it has a better cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127315 __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides

01-15-2008, 02:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
TheMatt TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 13,701 OS: Win 3.1, 98, NT 4.0, XP Debian 4.0, Kubuntu 6.06 My System Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Computer ~ Thoughts? Yep, and I can tell you that 2x 3870 will yield outstanding performance on the 790FX despite ATi/AMDs shortfalls. __________________ - Matt M - KB1OSC - Folding@Home 85015 [url="http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/"] If TSF has helped you, please consider donating. If I have stopped responding to a thread, feel free to send me a PM with a link to the thread. It is advisable to subscribe to threads so you will receive updates when replies are posted. You can subscribe to threads from the "Thread Tools" Menu. »Memtest86 »Prime95 »UBCD »SpeedFan »NHC Personal »Everest »Sandra »PC Wizard »RivaTuner »ATi Tool Click here for Useful Articles and Guides