[SOLVED] FPS drops then crash in TF2

flaemfreak77 · 07-22-2009, 11:11 AM

Ok, so the first week I had this computer, TF2 ran just perfectly and never lost any FPS. Now, it will work perfectly (FPS capped at 67) for about 10 minutes, then my FPS will drop into the 40s, then the 30s, then the 20s, and then it crashes. It happens EVERY time. The whole thing from from FPS drop to the crash takes ~30 minutes.

Its not my CPU overheating

Any ideas?

Computer specs:
AMD Phenom 2 4x 955 @3.2GHz
XFX ATI radeon 4850
4 GB G.Skill DDR2 RAM
Antec 650W PSU

**Jason09** · 07-22-2009, 12:16 PM

Is TF2 the only game you are having this problem?

Your PSU may not be high enough for your system. A PSU like the Corsair 750TX-750W should run smoothly on your system. (Alt link here.)

Cdx · 07-22-2009, 03:46 PM

Either the PSU, like Jason said, or overheating.

You can use Speedfan in my signature, download it and post the temps.

flaemfreak77 · 07-22-2009, 05:50 PM

I dont really play any games other than TF2, but I guess I'll give that a shot. Speedfan says the CPU is staying at about 46-47C. Graphics card isn't going above 50. I went to a PSU calculator website (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp) and it says my PSU is more then powerful enough to run everything.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103674
Graphics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150351

Cdx · 07-22-2009, 05:53 PM

Hello flaemfreak77,

Make sure your ATI graphic drivers are up to date, you can download them by clicking "ATI Drivers" in my signature.

Also, update your DirectX, to do that, click on "DirectX" in my signature and make sure both of those are updated.

**Lord Sirian** · 07-23-2009, 01:03 AM

What is your PSU Brand and Wattage.

You should never use PSU calcs to determine what size PSU you need. - They ALWAYS underestimate the power you actually need.

Mcninjaguy · 07-23-2009, 01:34 AM

When you use a PSU calculator you need to add to things to the total. Add 30% for capacitor aging and 20% for safety, for a total of 50% more.

**Aus_Karlos** · 07-23-2009, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flaemfreak77

I dont really play any games other than TF2, but I guess I'll give that a shot. Speedfan says the CPU is staying at about 46-47C. Graphics card isn't going above 50.

Are these the temps while playing TF2 or when your PC is doing nothing?

flaemfreak77 · 07-23-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Sirian

What is your PSU Brand and Wattage.

You should never use PSU calcs to determine what size PSU you need. - They ALWAYS underestimate the power you actually need.

It says in the first post, heres the link though:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371021

My temps while playing are around 49 for the CPU and 50 for the graphics card. I have also updated my Graphics drivers and I have updated Directx. I haven't tested it much since then, but it seems like the problem is still there.

**Jason09** · 07-23-2009, 07:40 PM

Then that's not too high. Do you close off all other programs when you play? Also, disable real-time scanning from your anti-virus when you play, as that may slow the computer down.

flaemfreak77 · 07-23-2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason09

Then that's not too high. Do you close off all other programs when you play? Also, disable real-time scanning from your anti-virus when you play, as that may slow the computer down.

I usually dont run anything in the background when I play TF2, except for occasionally Windows media player or Firefox. I'm probably gonna change my anti virus program, because my current one is just a trial. I can't figure out if its doing real-time scanning or not though. One thing that my be notable is that my friend has an identical computer except for the antivirus, and his TF2 runs fine. (until his Graphics card crashes that is :P)

flaemfreak77 · 07-23-2009, 09:02 PM

Could updating my BIOS do anything for it? normally I wouldn't think it would, but It seems alot of people have prblems with the new phenom2 quads and this board, which are fixed by updating the BIOS. My board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131381

flaemfreak77 · 07-24-2009, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flaemfreak77

Could updating my BIOS do anything for it? normally I wouldn't think it would, but It seems alot of people have prblems with the new phenom2 quads and this board, which are fixed by updating the BIOS. My board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131381

EDIT: Nope, I flashed the BIOS and it still happened. *accidental triple post* So yeah, at this point the only thing I can think of doing is re-installing Vista.

**Aus_Karlos** · 07-24-2009, 02:14 AM

What type of Anti-Virus are you using?
You can try Avast Home Edition which is free. Ive had no problems with it.
www.avast.com

flaemfreak77 · 07-24-2009, 01:09 PM

I was using norton, now Im using Mcafee. My friend plays TF2 fine with mcafee. I also heard that re-installing Steam might fix it, so Im giving that a shot now.

Cdx · 07-24-2009, 06:41 PM

ouch, i recommend getting avast for free.
McAfee is just.. arg i don't even want to think about it!

**Jason09** · 07-24-2009, 07:05 PM

I use McAfee now, but I wouldn't really recommend it either. Once your subscription is over, I recommend getting one like Avast or Avira.

flaemfreak77 · 07-25-2009, 12:00 PM

Well, I get it for free from Comcast, so its no big deal if I want to switch :P And I'm cautiously optimistic, but I *think* that un-installing and re-installing Steam fixed it. I've played a bit since I did it, and it has yet to have the drop. I haven't had any super long sessions yet though, so it still needs to be tested.

**Lord Sirian** · 07-26-2009, 05:28 AM

Once you've tested it, if it still works fine, mark the thread as solved and let us know.

Good luck. Hope it goes well. =)

flaemfreak77 · 07-26-2009, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Sirian

Once you've tested it, if it still works fine, mark the thread as solved and let us know.

Good luck. Hope it goes well. =)

Yep, I played for a solid 2 hours last night and it worked perfectly the whole time. Thanks for the suggestions guys.

07-22-2009, 11:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
flaemfreak77 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Vista 32-bit SP2	[SOLVED] FPS drops then crash in TF2 Ok, so the first week I had this computer, TF2 ran just perfectly and never lost any FPS. Now, it will work perfectly (FPS capped at 67) for about 10 minutes, then my FPS will drop into the 40s, then the 30s, then the 20s, and then it crashes. It happens EVERY time. The whole thing from from FPS drop to the crash takes ~30 minutes. Its not my CPU overheating Any ideas? Computer specs: AMD Phenom 2 4x 955 @3.2GHz XFX ATI radeon 4850 4 GB G.Skill DDR2 RAM Antec 650W PSU

07-22-2009, 12:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jason09 Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near Washington, D.C. Posts: 2,362 OS: Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Is TF2 the only game you are having this problem? Your PSU may not be high enough for your system. A PSU like the Corsair 750TX-750W should run smoothly on your system. (Alt link here.) __________________ Gaming troubleshooting steps. Real peace cannot be found in what happens in Washington, D.C. Only God can give true peace to people.

07-22-2009, 03:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cdx Tech, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: California Posts: 406 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate/Vista/XP/Unix My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Either the PSU, like Jason said, or overheating. You can use Speedfan in my signature, download it and post the temps. __________________ Steps Before Posting Downloads: DirectX Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers Speedfan Revo Uninstaller NOD32 Anti-Virus Trial

07-22-2009, 05:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
flaemfreak77 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Vista 32-bit SP2	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 I dont really play any games other than TF2, but I guess I'll give that a shot. Speedfan says the CPU is staying at about 46-47C. Graphics card isn't going above 50. I went to a PSU calculator website (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp) and it says my PSU is more then powerful enough to run everything. CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103674 Graphics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150351 Last edited by flaemfreak77; 07-22-2009 at 05:56 PM.

07-22-2009, 05:53 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cdx Tech, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: California Posts: 406 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate/Vista/XP/Unix My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Hello flaemfreak77, Make sure your ATI graphic drivers are up to date, you can download them by clicking "ATI Drivers" in my signature. Also, update your DirectX, to do that, click on "DirectX" in my signature and make sure both of those are updated. __________________ Steps Before Posting Downloads: DirectX Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers Speedfan Revo Uninstaller NOD32 Anti-Virus Trial

07-23-2009, 01:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,664 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 What is your PSU Brand and Wattage. You should never use PSU calcs to determine what size PSU you need. - They ALWAYS underestimate the power you actually need. __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

07-23-2009, 01:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 When you use a PSU calculator you need to add to things to the total. Add 30% for capacitor aging and 20% for safety, for a total of 50% more.

07-23-2009, 07:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Jason09 Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near Washington, D.C. Posts: 2,362 OS: Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Then that's not too high. Do you close off all other programs when you play? Also, disable real-time scanning from your anti-virus when you play, as that may slow the computer down. __________________ Gaming troubleshooting steps. Real peace cannot be found in what happens in Washington, D.C. Only God can give true peace to people.

07-23-2009, 09:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
flaemfreak77 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Vista 32-bit SP2	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Could updating my BIOS do anything for it? normally I wouldn't think it would, but It seems alot of people have prblems with the new phenom2 quads and this board, which are fixed by updating the BIOS. My board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131381

07-24-2009, 02:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
Aus_Karlos Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Western Australia Posts: 3,461 OS: Vista Ultimate x64, Windows XP 32-bit/64-bit, Ubuntu x64, Windows 7 x64 Beta My System Blog Entries: 2	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 What type of Anti-Virus are you using? You can try Avast Home Edition which is free. Ive had no problems with it. www.avast.com __________________ MemTest86 / Nvidia Drivers / ATI Drivers / DirectX 9.0c / Sys Requirements / Everest Folding@Home

07-24-2009, 01:09 PM	#15 (permalink)
flaemfreak77 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Vista 32-bit SP2	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 I was using norton, now Im using Mcafee. My friend plays TF2 fine with mcafee. I also heard that re-installing Steam might fix it, so Im giving that a shot now.

07-24-2009, 06:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
Cdx Tech, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: California Posts: 406 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate/Vista/XP/Unix My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 ouch, i recommend getting avast for free. McAfee is just.. arg i don't even want to think about it! __________________ Steps Before Posting Downloads: DirectX Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers Speedfan Revo Uninstaller NOD32 Anti-Virus Trial

07-24-2009, 07:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jason09 Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Near Washington, D.C. Posts: 2,362 OS: Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 I use McAfee now, but I wouldn't really recommend it either. Once your subscription is over, I recommend getting one like Avast or Avira. __________________ Gaming troubleshooting steps. Real peace cannot be found in what happens in Washington, D.C. Only God can give true peace to people.

07-25-2009, 12:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
flaemfreak77 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 27 OS: Vista 32-bit SP2	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Well, I get it for free from Comcast, so its no big deal if I want to switch :P And I'm cautiously optimistic, but I think that un-installing and re-installing Steam fixed it. I've played a bit since I did it, and it has yet to have the drop. I haven't had any super long sessions yet though, so it still needs to be tested.

07-26-2009, 05:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,664 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: FPS drops then crash in TF2 Once you've tested it, if it still works fine, mark the thread as solved and let us know. Good luck. Hope it goes well. =) __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California