Counter Strike Source Lagging

Queepo · 06-25-2009, 10:36 PM

Hi, About three months ago I reinstalled CS:S after having my account hacked. It all worked fine for a few months however recently I have been encountering some lagging issues. Every once and a while my frame rate will drop to between 10-20 fps when it is usually at 60fps when stuffs is happening and 100+fps when nothing is happening. Eventually it will go back up. As I have my computer on longer the frequency of these lag spikes will increase and last longer. During these lag spikes my CPU being used is around 100%.

My system specs are,
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual
Core Proccessing 5000+
2.61 GHz, 2GB of RAM

I constantly Defrag my system and run several maintenance programs and have anti-virus running 24/7. Not sure what else to say, I'm looking forward to your replies.

Thanks, Queepo

**Lord Sirian** · 06-25-2009, 10:43 PM

Having an anti-virus running 24/7 could be the cause of your problems.

Next time you experience the issue, check to see if the anti-virus program is running a scan.

Other than that, follow the steps located here:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/gaming-forum/pc-gaming-support/120411-important-please-follow-these-steps-before-posting.html

Keep us posted on how it goes.

Queepo · 06-25-2009, 10:59 PM

I'm running Vipre and I have tried turning that and all other backround running programs off to no success, i will take a look at that site, thanks for the extremely fast reply.

Queepo

**Lord Sirian** · 06-25-2009, 11:31 PM

No problem, hope it helps.

Indoril Nerevar · 06-25-2009, 11:59 PM

Hi Queepo, and welcome to TSF.

If nothing in the link Lord Sirian provided helps, please click on "Posting System Specs" in my signature, and follow the instructions to post your full specs for us. Then download Everest and SensorsView (both in my sig), and use them to record your temperatures and voltages (located under Computer -> Sensor in Everest). We will need to see 4 sets of numbers, 2 from each program:

+3.3V
+5V
+12V
CPU Temp
GPU Temp
Any other temps

Record first when the computer has just been started, and then record again after 10 - 15 minutes in CS:S (or when the lag starts happening).

Do you have any problems with any other games? If so, which ones and what problems (they may be related)?

Of course, follow the steps in that other thread first, as something there may solve it.

Queepo · 06-26-2009, 10:10 PM

Hi,
I used a guide on this site to adjust some of my PC settings including programs and processes that launch on start up. After that i played for a few hours without lag, more than i have been able to get. So far as I can tell my problem has been solved but i previously ran some clean up tools that also did this. I am not sure if my problem is solved or not but if it does come back I will be sure to post my specs using your help and ask for help once again. Thanks everyone for your very helpful response and I hope I don't have to ask for your help again.

Queepo

**Lord Sirian** · 06-26-2009, 11:44 PM

Ok, good luck, hope it doesn't happen again, and if it does, we'll be here to help.

Queepo · 06-28-2009, 06:18 PM

Hi,
MY lag started up again, not as bad but if I keep my computer on too long, here are my system specs.
Field Value
Motherboard Properties
Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Product M2N-MX SE Plus
Version Rev x.xx
Serial Number MT7087K11106417

Field Value
CPU Properties
CPU Type Unknown, 2600 MHz
Instruction Set x86, x86-64, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3
L1 Code Cache 64 KB
L1 Data Cache 64 KB
L2 Cache 512 KB (Asynchronous)

Multi CPU
Motherboard ID TEMPLATE SE-Plus
CPU #0 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+, 2611 MHz
CPU #1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+, 2611 MHz

CPU Utilization
CPU #1 / Core #1 0 %
CPU #1 / Core #2 0 %

2GB of RAM

Field Value
Video Adapter Properties
Device Description NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
Adapter String GeForce 7600 GS
BIOS String Version 5.73.22.16.21
Chip Type GeForce 7600 GS
DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC
Installed Drivers nv4_disp (6.14.11.8618 - nVIDIA ForceWare 86.18)
Memory Size 256 MB

Disk Drive ST3750640AS (698 GB, IDE)
Disk Drive HDT722516DLA380 (160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II)

Windows XP

CPU temp is 51C/120F
GPU temp is same give or take a degree.
All other temps are lower by at least 5 degrees.
Those are my system specs thanks for the help.

**Lord Sirian** · 06-29-2009, 06:29 AM

Sorry to hear that the lag has returned, could you please download Everest (if you have not already done so), located here:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

and SensorsView (if you have not already done so), located here:

http://www.stvsoft.com/SensorsViewPro21Setup.exe

and use them to find your PSU voltages which are located in *Computer -> Sensor (in Everest)* and post them here.

Include:

+3.3V
+5V
+12V

Your voltages are very important and we need to know what they are.

Queepo · 06-30-2009, 09:19 PM

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type ITE IT8712F (ISA 290h)
GPU Sensor Type Driver (NV-DRV)

Temperatures
Motherboard 36 °C (97 °F)
Aux 54 °C (129 °F)
GPU 51 °C (124 °F)
HDT722516DLA380 47 °C (117 °F)
Seagate ST3750640AS 48 °C (118 °F)

Cooling Fans
CPU 3184 RPM
Chassis 1241 RPM

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.36 V
+3.3 V 3.28 V
+5 V 5.48 V
+12 V 12.61 V
+5 V Standby 4.92 V
VBAT Battery 3.12 V
Debug Info F D4 22 FF
Debug Info T 54 36 128
Debug Info V 55 00 CD CC C5 61 00 (F7)

Here they are, About my problem I now it has to do with the CPU usage because it is the only thing that changes when it happens.

Thanks again.

**Lord Sirian** · 07-01-2009, 02:54 AM

Ok, your voltages are all fine, and it shouldn't be an overheating problem as your temperatures are fine too. How big is your PSU?

**Lord Sirian** · 07-01-2009, 03:49 AM

On second thought, your +5V and +12V are both over what they should be. Not much over, but enough to potentially be a problem.

I don't think the lag is related to the voltages though, but you should get a new PSU anyway. Information on PSU's can be found here:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/ram-power-supply-support/192217-power-supply-information-selection.html

You should choose something from the Power Desktop Computer class.

Aside from that, what is the wattage on your current PSU?

**koala** · 07-01-2009, 06:39 AM

Also, your hard drives are too hot at 47C and 48C. They should be about 30C. This could be due to the out-of-range +12V output or poor air circulation in the case.

Queepo · 07-01-2009, 04:30 PM

I'm stumped. I can't seem to figure out whats causing the lag. I've tried everything, i'm considering a new processor but other than that I have absolutely no idea what to do....

**koala** · 07-01-2009, 04:37 PM

Check in Event Viewer or Task Manager to see what processes are using the CPU when the game is lagging.

Clean any dust out of your case with a can of compressed air and make sure all the fans are spinning, then check the temperatures and voltages again.

Have you installed the AMD Dual Core Optimizer?

Have you changed any of the advanced settings in the nvidia control panel from default? Do any of the settings conflict with the graphics options in Counter Strike?

Queepo · 07-02-2009, 02:06 PM

I have change a few settings using a guide to fix driver issues with games and again that seemed to fix the problem but it only came back not as bad but I still havnt played enough for it to fully come back, if it's going to. I'm just so confused my fps is 150+ untill the lag spikes and then my CPU is being spent on simple but needed processes like explorer.exe and and system.exe etc. I'm not sure where to find my PSU voltage.

Queepo · 07-03-2009, 04:51 PM

Please help me!!!!

**koala** · 07-03-2009, 05:27 PM

Clean any dust out of your case with a can of compressed air and make sure all the fans are spinning, then check the temperatures and voltages again.

Have you installed the AMD Dual Core Optimizer?

Queepo · 07-03-2009, 09:59 PM

Thanks Koala,
I am cleaning out my case tonight with a vacuum and some compressed air. I have installed th AMD Dual core optimizer and I'm pretty sure it's running properly as it is set to run every time I start my computer. I should't be seeing any menus or anything like that should I? Also this problem affects all games using HL2.exe or the Source Engine I have been able to run Sims 3 and Empire Total War without any problems. I am checking forums to see if Valve has any kind of fix for this. Thanks

Mcninjaguy · 07-03-2009, 10:19 PM

Soe games really need the MAD dual Core optimizer and others not so much. It really depends on what game engine is used and how the game uses the CPU.

Do not try to use the vacuum inside of the case but just use it to suck up the dust you spray with the can of compressed air. You do not want to send a static charge trough the vacuum cleaner on to sensitive computer components.

06-25-2009, 10:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Counter Strike Source Lagging Hi, About three months ago I reinstalled CS:S after having my account hacked. It all worked fine for a few months however recently I have been encountering some lagging issues. Every once and a while my frame rate will drop to between 10-20 fps when it is usually at 60fps when stuffs is happening and 100+fps when nothing is happening. Eventually it will go back up. As I have my computer on longer the frequency of these lag spikes will increase and last longer. During these lag spikes my CPU being used is around 100%. My system specs are, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Proccessing 5000+ 2.61 GHz, 2GB of RAM I constantly Defrag my system and run several maintenance programs and have anti-virus running 24/7. Not sure what else to say, I'm looking forward to your replies. Thanks, Queepo

06-25-2009, 10:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Having an anti-virus running 24/7 could be the cause of your problems. Next time you experience the issue, check to see if the anti-virus program is running a scan. Other than that, follow the steps located here: http://www.techsupportforum.com/gaming-forum/pc-gaming-support/120411-important-please-follow-these-steps-before-posting.html Keep us posted on how it goes. __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

06-25-2009, 10:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging I'm running Vipre and I have tried turning that and all other backround running programs off to no success, i will take a look at that site, thanks for the extremely fast reply. Queepo

06-25-2009, 11:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging No problem, hope it helps. __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

06-25-2009, 11:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Indoril Nerevar Manager, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 5,005 OS: Windows 7 RC 64-bit My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Hi Queepo, and welcome to TSF. If nothing in the link Lord Sirian provided helps, please click on "Posting System Specs" in my signature, and follow the instructions to post your full specs for us. Then download Everest and SensorsView (both in my sig), and use them to record your temperatures and voltages (located under Computer -> Sensor in Everest). We will need to see 4 sets of numbers, 2 from each program: +3.3V +5V +12V CPU Temp GPU Temp Any other temps Record first when the computer has just been started, and then record again after 10 - 15 minutes in CS:S (or when the lag starts happening). Do you have any problems with any other games? If so, which ones and what problems (they may be related)? Of course, follow the steps in that other thread first, as something there may solve it. __________________ Donating to the forum keeps TSF free for all. • Common PC Game Issues • Common Installation Issues • Posting System Specs • Power Supply Information • • NVIDIA Drivers • ATI Drivers • Thermal Paste Guide • System Requirements Lab • YouGamers Game-o-Meter • • Everest • Prime95 • DirectX • AMD Drivers • Memtest86 • SensorsView • Driver Cleaner • I do not give help via PM. Please post your question on the forum. Last edited by Indoril Nerevar; 06-26-2009 at 12:00 AM.

06-26-2009, 10:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Hi, I used a guide on this site to adjust some of my PC settings including programs and processes that launch on start up. After that i played for a few hours without lag, more than i have been able to get. So far as I can tell my problem has been solved but i previously ran some clean up tools that also did this. I am not sure if my problem is solved or not but if it does come back I will be sure to post my specs using your help and ask for help once again. Thanks everyone for your very helpful response and I hope I don't have to ask for your help again. Queepo

06-26-2009, 11:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Ok, good luck, hope it doesn't happen again, and if it does, we'll be here to help. __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

06-28-2009, 06:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Hi, MY lag started up again, not as bad but if I keep my computer on too long, here are my system specs. Field Value Motherboard Properties Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. Product M2N-MX SE Plus Version Rev x.xx Serial Number MT7087K11106417 Field Value CPU Properties CPU Type Unknown, 2600 MHz Instruction Set x86, x86-64, MMX, 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 L1 Code Cache 64 KB L1 Data Cache 64 KB L2 Cache 512 KB (Asynchronous) Multi CPU Motherboard ID TEMPLATE SE-Plus CPU #0 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+, 2611 MHz CPU #1 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+, 2611 MHz CPU Utilization CPU #1 / Core #1 0 % CPU #1 / Core #2 0 % 2GB of RAM Field Value Video Adapter Properties Device Description NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS Adapter String GeForce 7600 GS BIOS String Version 5.73.22.16.21 Chip Type GeForce 7600 GS DAC Type Integrated RAMDAC Installed Drivers nv4_disp (6.14.11.8618 - nVIDIA ForceWare 86.18) Memory Size 256 MB Disk Drive ST3750640AS (698 GB, IDE) Disk Drive HDT722516DLA380 (160 GB, 7200 RPM, SATA-II) Windows XP CPU temp is 51C/120F GPU temp is same give or take a degree. All other temps are lower by at least 5 degrees. Those are my system specs thanks for the help.

06-29-2009, 06:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Sorry to hear that the lag has returned, could you please download Everest (if you have not already done so), located here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4181.html and SensorsView (if you have not already done so), located here: http://www.stvsoft.com/SensorsViewPro21Setup.exe and use them to find your PSU voltages which are located in Computer -> Sensor (in Everest) and post them here. Include: +3.3V +5V +12V Your voltages are very important and we need to know what they are. __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

06-30-2009, 09:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Field Value Sensor Properties Sensor Type ITE IT8712F (ISA 290h) GPU Sensor Type Driver (NV-DRV) Temperatures Motherboard 36 °C (97 °F) Aux 54 °C (129 °F) GPU 51 °C (124 °F) HDT722516DLA380 47 °C (117 °F) Seagate ST3750640AS 48 °C (118 °F) Cooling Fans CPU 3184 RPM Chassis 1241 RPM Voltage Values CPU Core 1.36 V +3.3 V 3.28 V +5 V 5.48 V +12 V 12.61 V +5 V Standby 4.92 V VBAT Battery 3.12 V Debug Info F D4 22 FF Debug Info T 54 36 128 Debug Info V 55 00 CD CC C5 61 00 (F7) Here they are, About my problem I now it has to do with the CPU usage because it is the only thing that changes when it happens. Thanks again.

07-01-2009, 02:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Ok, your voltages are all fine, and it shouldn't be an overheating problem as your temperatures are fine too. How big is your PSU? __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

07-01-2009, 03:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lord Sirian Mentor, Games Team Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,604 OS: Windows XP SP 3 My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging On second thought, your +5V and +12V are both over what they should be. Not much over, but enough to potentially be a problem. I don't think the lag is related to the voltages though, but you should get a new PSU anyway. Information on PSU's can be found here: http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/ram-power-supply-support/192217-power-supply-information-selection.html You should choose something from the Power Desktop Computer class. Aside from that, what is the wattage on your current PSU? __________________ "Come forth for the cattle call Confront the evil river you can't control Wicked ways and venomous eyes Just human nature in disguise..."- Clouds over California

07-01-2009, 06:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,307 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Also, your hard drives are too hot at 47C and 48C. They should be about 30C. This could be due to the out-of-range +12V output or poor air circulation in the case. __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

07-01-2009, 04:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging I'm stumped. I can't seem to figure out whats causing the lag. I've tried everything, i'm considering a new processor but other than that I have absolutely no idea what to do....

07-01-2009, 04:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,307 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Check in Event Viewer or Task Manager to see what processes are using the CPU when the game is lagging. Clean any dust out of your case with a can of compressed air and make sure all the fans are spinning, then check the temperatures and voltages again. Have you installed the AMD Dual Core Optimizer? Have you changed any of the advanced settings in the nvidia control panel from default? Do any of the settings conflict with the graphics options in Counter Strike? __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

07-02-2009, 02:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging I have change a few settings using a guide to fix driver issues with games and again that seemed to fix the problem but it only came back not as bad but I still havnt played enough for it to fully come back, if it's going to. I'm just so confused my fps is 150+ untill the lag spikes and then my CPU is being spent on simple but needed processes like explorer.exe and and system.exe etc. I'm not sure where to find my PSU voltage.

07-03-2009, 04:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Please help me!!!!

07-03-2009, 05:27 PM	#18 (permalink)
koala Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,307 OS: XP/7/Ubuntu My System	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Clean any dust out of your case with a can of compressed air and make sure all the fans are spinning, then check the temperatures and voltages again. Have you installed the AMD Dual Core Optimizer? __________________ New members: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. TSF Folding@Home Team 85015 - details here

07-03-2009, 09:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
Queepo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13 OS: Win XP	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Thanks Koala, I am cleaning out my case tonight with a vacuum and some compressed air. I have installed th AMD Dual core optimizer and I'm pretty sure it's running properly as it is set to run every time I start my computer. I should't be seeing any menus or anything like that should I? Also this problem affects all games using HL2.exe or the Source Engine I have been able to run Sims 3 and Empire Total War without any problems. I am checking forums to see if Valve has any kind of fix for this. Thanks

07-03-2009, 10:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Counter Strike Source Lagging Soe games really need the MAD dual Core optimizer and others not so much. It really depends on what game engine is used and how the game uses the CPU. Do not try to use the vacuum inside of the case but just use it to suck up the dust you spray with the can of compressed air. You do not want to send a static charge trough the vacuum cleaner on to sensitive computer components.