Massive slowdown on Oblvion.

[tomster785]

Despite me having a rather high end rig (ATi 4870 overclocked, Intel core 2 Duo 3.0 GHz and 4 Gb of PNY ram) and yet I still get lag on oblivion when I really shouldn't.

[thedarkwolf25]

Lag has nothing to do with a video card and everything to do with your internet connection.

[RockmasteR]

Hello,
first of all please post your Power Supply Unit Model, watts and Amps under the 12V

also download SIW from my sig and open it, choose "Sensors" under hardware and monitor your PC temps, play Oblivion for 20 to 30 mins and than minimize the game and check your temps again
post both of them here (screenshots if you can)

[Mcninjaguy]

@thedarkwolf25

Lag is lag and can contributed to a game depending on a multitude of factors. If you are playing on a onlinbe game like Crysis and have it cranked up the setting and only have a 1mb/s internet speed then you may have a insufficient PSU, slow ISP provider, not enough CPU power, maybe not good enough video card. Lag is this definition

In computing and especially computer networks, lag is a term used where the computer freezes and then continues some time later when an action is performed, for example clicking a mouse button. If there is different latency, such as distance between computers connecting, the term used is delay although many get it mixed up with lag.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lag

You're thinking about high latency where it takes a long time to send packets to a gaming server and you get a high ping.

[tomster785]

Originally Posted by RockmasteR

Hello,
first of all please post your Power Supply Unit Model, watts and Amps under the 12V

also download SIW from my sig and open it, choose "Sensors" under hardware and monitor your PC temps, play Oblivion for 20 to 30 mins and than minimize the game and check your temps again
post both of them here (screenshots if you can)

I can barely run the game, my PSU is 500w (but I don't understand why that would be a problem I used the ASUS PSU calculator and I have more than enough for my rig.) The really strange thing is that Crysis runs really good yet Oblivion does not.


EDIT: sorry I will post my PSU info now.

ITE IT87

CPU VCORE 1.09V
VIN1 1.84V
+3.3V 3.38V
+5V 5.05V

I can't actually do any gameplay on Oblivion. It is like a slideshow.

EDIT 2: I had the same problem on my old card aswell (9400GT) so I think it's more than likely a software problem. Even on lowest settings it's really, really slow.

[RockmasteR]

please post your PC temps using SIW from my sig
did you install all Oblivion Patches?
http://dlh.net/cgi-bin/dp.cgi

[Lord Sirian]

Your PSU is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too small to handle the stuff you're running on it.

You definitley need a better PSU.

View the information located here for advice on choosing a new PSU:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/ram-power-supply-support/192217-power-supply-information-selection.html

Hope this helps.

[Indoril Nerevar]

Originally Posted by Lord Sirian

Your PSU is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too small to handle the stuff you're running on it.

Yep - have to agree with that. Follow the link Sirian provided, and look at the bottom of the page, in the "High-End Power Gaming Class" and "UBER Ultimate Professional Gaming Class" categories. Choose a power supply from there and you'll be doing well. Underpowering your system will result in damaged hardware, which you won't be able to get fixed under warranty. While this may not be the direct cause of your lag issues, it could definitely be a contributing factor, and will cause you problems in the future.

As far as your lag is concerned... what detail settings are you running at? Do you have any other programs running in the background? Try disabling your internet/network connection while playing, as I've found this helps performance in Oblivion.

Like RockmasteR said, get the patches for Oblivion, and post your temps for us to look at (we need to see two sets - first when the computer is at the desktop, then when the computer has been running Oblivion for 10 minutes or so).

[thedarkwolf25]

Originally Posted by Mcninjaguy

@thedarkwolf25

Lag is lag and can contributed to a game depending on a multitude of factors. If you are playing on a onlinbe game like Crysis and have it cranked up the setting and only have a 1mb/s internet speed then you may have a insufficient PSU, slow ISP provider, not enough CPU power, maybe not good enough video card. Lag is this definition


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lag

You're thinking about high latency where it takes a long time to send packets to a gaming server and you get a high ping.

Hmmm ok so I had the right idea but wrong word, so when someone says that they are lagging how can I tell if they mean latency-wise, or framerate-wise? And I mean just from them telling me, without me running any diagnostics.

[Lord Sirian]

@ thedarkwolf25, there is no way to tell just from someone telling you that they are lagging.

if the game they are playing is not an online game, then you can tell that it is FPS lag, not latency.

Apart from that, they will need to run programs which measure latency/FPS so that you can tell which is which.

[thedarkwolf25]

Ok that is what I thought, whenever I hear "lag" related to an online game I immediately think of high latency and/or slow or busy connections. And in this day and age most of not all new games that come out are online playable.

I really appreciate that clarification though.

[Lord Sirian]

No problem. Even if the game they are playing is online playable, you can ask them whether they were playing over the internet.

If the answer is no, its FPS lag, if the answer is yes, it could be either.

[tomster785]

No offence but can you take your discussion about the meaning of lag, out of my topic. Also I can run crysis, Oblivion take no where near as much power from a GPU as Crysis. I've had no random crashes or anything like that, the moment I do, I'll get a new PSU. Until then I'll just keep my 500w.

[Lord Sirian]

Sorry for having a discussion in your topic. My apologies.

Having a 500w PSU with the gear you are running is VERY DANGEROUS for your computer.

You should definitley not wait to get a new one, because an underpowered PSU will cause damage to your system over time.

[Lord Sirian]

With Oblivion, try turning HDR lighting off. - Just set it back to standard Bloom and see if that helps.

[Indoril Nerevar]

Originally Posted by tomster785

I've had no random crashes or anything like that, the moment I do, I'll get a new PSU. Until then I'll just keep my 500w.

That's your choice, but understand one thing: the moment you start getting random crashes, it's too late. The damage will already have been done. You will be up for the cost of a new power supply, new video card, new motherboard, new CPU, new RAM, new hard drive... The cost of all that will far outwiegh the cost of getting a new PSU now. But if you're happy to take that risk, then so be it. I'm just glad I won't have to pay for the replacements.

Did you try any of the things I suggested? You didn't tell us what detail settings you're running at. You say the system runs Crysis - what detail settings do you run that at, and do you get any problems with it at high settings? We also need to see those temps and voltages I asked for.

[tomster785]

Originally Posted by Indoril Nerevar

That's your choice, but understand one thing: the moment you start getting random crashes, it's too late. The damage will already have been done. You will be up for the cost of a new power supply, new video card, new motherboard, new CPU, new RAM, new hard drive... The cost of all that will far outwiegh the cost of getting a new PSU now. But if you're happy to take that risk, then so be it. I'm just glad I won't have to pay for the replacements.

Did you try any of the things I suggested? You didn't tell us what detail settings you're running at. You say the system runs Crysis - what detail settings do you run that at, and do you get any problems with it at high settings? We also need to see those temps and voltages I asked for.

I only JUST got the graphics card I don't have money right now. I have to wait until next month, how time do I have? Roughly.

Also crysis on very high (via hacked ini) at about 30-40 FPS. I tried oblivion on lowest and got the same problem, so it is not a hardware problem. It lags the moment I come out of the first cut scene.


EDIT:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5001/hawhaw.png

70C is from me playing crysis, I can't actually do any gameplay in oblivion I get get lag the moment I go into the character creation screen.

[Mcninjaguy]

A month is fine for waiting for a new PSU but don't try to wait any longer.

This is what you should be aiming for since the 4870 is overclocked.

Corsair 850w
$140
after rebate $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139009

There are PSU's that around $200 that do not match the quality of this PSU.

[tomster785]

I unoverclocked it, btw, since I don't really need the power.

[tomster785]

Also My CPU was overclocked to 3.0 GHz it's actually 2.53 GHz and my GPU is back to factory settings.