Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats

Tcash723 · 05-21-2009, 04:04 PM

I am buying a new desktop for college and i want one that can run World Of Warcraft : Wrath of the Lich King. This game doesn't tkae very much to play yet i would like someone who plays the game or knows aboout the settings of the game to gauge where i would be at for framerates standing still, in dalaran, and raiding a 25 man... please... here are the specs of the comp i was looking at buying for around $1000 depending on certain tweaks...

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366
POWER SUPPLY : 580 Watts Power Supplies
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA, GbLAN, USB2.0, IEEE1394a, & 7.1Audio
MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Triple Channel Memory
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express
OS: Windows Vista Premium 64-bit or Windows Vista Basic 64-bit Both service pack 1

also could you guys suggest which hard drive i should get a 320G or 500G?

Tcash723 · 05-21-2009, 04:20 PM

# POWER SUPPLY Upgrade: 500 Watts Power Supplies (**Recommended** WIN-500XSPX APEVIA 500W JAVA Power Supply-Black)
# CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366
# COOLING FAN : Intel LGA1366 Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink
# MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI Support) MSI X58 Pro Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire DDR3 Mainboard
# MEMORY: 3GB (1GBx3) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Triple Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
# FREEBIES: None
# VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
# VIDEO CARD 2: None
# VIDEO CARD 3: None
# MULTIPLE VIDEO CARD SETTINGS: Xtreme Performance in SLI/CrossFireX Gaming Mode Supports Single Monitor
# LCD Monitor: 19& quot; TFT Active Matrix LCD Display (Brand-Named LCD Display)
# 2nd Monitor: NONE
# HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
# Data Hard Drive: NONE
# HARD DRIVE COOLING FAN : Vigor iSURF II Hard Disk Drive Cooling System (1 x System)
# USB PORTABLE DRIVE: NONE
# Optical Drive: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)
# Optical Drive 2: NONE
# SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
# SPEAKERS: 600Watts PMPO Subwoofer Stereo Speakers
# NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
# MODEM: PCI 56K V.92 FAX MODEM W/ VOICE
# KEYBOARD: Logitech Deluxe 250 USB Keyboard (Black Color)
# MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
# Extra Thermal Display : NONE
# Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: NONE
# Flash Media Reader/Writer: None
# VIDEO CAMERA: NONE
# PRINTER: None
# PRINTER CABLE: None
# IEEE CARD: NONE
# USB PORT: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
# FLOPPY: NONE
# OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Basic w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition)

or this build right here would also be good this one is for $1024 which should i choose?

Tcash723 · 05-21-2009, 04:21 PM

I was thinking around 25-30 fps while questing or standing still

**RockmasteR** · 05-21-2009, 05:53 PM

you can get very good fps with that PC
but the only problem is that it has a weak and a low quality Power Supply
you should get this one instead :
Corsair 750 W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=Corsair%20750
114 $, 104.49$ after rebate

it's the best you can get and can handle your PC very well
working with a weak Power supply and especially with the i7 and the 9800 GT can lead to bad consequences, the PSU good get damaged and take PC parts with it

Tcash723 · 05-22-2009, 04:55 AM

ok thank very much is that a good deal for $1024 including keyboard mouse speakers and a monitor?

**RockmasteR** · 05-22-2009, 09:13 AM

- Intel Core i7 920 : 279.99 $ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...i7+920&x=0&y=0

- ASUS P6T SE: 209.99 $ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...sus%20P6T%20SE

- Corsair 3 Gb (1gb x 3) : 86$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145225

- EVGA Geforce 9800 GT 512 Mb : 99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130435

- Windows Vista 64 Bit SP1 : 99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116488

- LG LCD Monitor 19" 149.99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824005110

- Corsair PSU 750 W :104.49$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Corsair%20750W

Total : 1028.46 $

and that with the Corsair PSU

so always choose to build your own PC
it's better that way

you asked about the Hard disk and which one, just go with the 500 Gb is it's not different a lot in price with the 320 Gb

Mcninjaguy · 05-23-2009, 03:27 AM

You forgot the case RockmasterR.

Antec 900
$100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021

Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
$70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148301

**RockmasteR** · 05-23-2009, 04:50 AM

Oh right the case

so maybe now it's a bit expensive than your budget
but you got there a super PC that will serve you for years to come

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-23-2009, 09:03 AM

you can also buy a small pc, for less than 900 dollars and still be able to get over 90 frames per second.
you dont sound like an extreme gamer so i recommend not buying something stupid like I7, you could go for an E5200 and a radeon 4770.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-23-2009, 09:21 AM

PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341018 this will suit your needs, especially with modular cables so you dont have to mess around with the shitty cables. trust me on that (cables are ****!)

sick graphics card thats able to do crysis or any other game at max settings
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102830

cpu + motherboard combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.191004

ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609026 30

case antec 900 ? just be sure to check out the reviews for the case you want

i can recommend a BenQ G2220HD 22" screen, cheap and really rocks.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-23-2009, 09:33 AM

just take your time to go through my post, the build i posted will crush anything you throw at it. and you can use the left over money to buy a keyboard/mouse/speakers. i can recommend the #1Razer DiamondBack or the #2Razer DeathAdder.. Keyboards, well, i dont know, whatever suits you best.. speakers the same.

Mcninjaguy · 05-23-2009, 04:18 PM

I wouldn't get the OCZ as it doesn't post its 12v amps.
Get the corsair 750w instead.

Modular is just a lot more expensive for just the convenience of having less cables.

I like everything else you got in your list KharnakIHazWoW.

I don't know if you want to build your own system but you get about the same performance out of a AMD Phenom 2 compared to Core i7.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-23-2009, 04:54 PM

The OCZ should have about 72, it has 4 rails me thinks.. but i dont know about the mobo, didnt read alot about it but its still overall better than i7, except it limits you to ati, theres no bad about that though(yay?)

Mcninjaguy · 05-23-2009, 05:10 PM

The motherboard does not limit you to AT as it has no onboard video.

You never want to go with a PSU with multiple 12v rails and they never add up.

with 4 a2 rails you'll probably get around 50 amps or so and then there's the effieceny. they don't add up.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-24-2009, 09:00 AM

oh, i thought it had crossfire? might have linked the wrong one then, well okay, i myself havent used any psu's with more than 1 rail, my mate explained to me how they worked, but i guess.. well, ill have to tell him what i just learned :P but anyways, he could/should take the 850w corsair then, will last alot longer.. and imo psu and case is the most important. oh and btw you should stick with windows vista 32bit or xp 32bit, no more than 3.33gb is needed ever, just buy 4gb ram

Mcninjaguy · 05-24-2009, 01:55 PM

Windows 64 bit is very stable and some people do need to use more than 4 gbs of ram for video editing and stuff.

Going 64 bit is like comparing XP to a 16 bit system its simply the way to go.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-24-2009, 03:33 PM

64bit is.. meh.. so many driver incompatibilities and **** ups, 32bit is just more stable, and honestly he only needed it for gaming wow, 2gb is already enough.. just.. i know he doesnt want driver problems.. its like, 32bit is modular cables and 64bit is not modular.. 32bit is easy and better to manage, 64bit is difficult and annoying, but i agree in some point that 64bit is nice, i wanted it once myself, but after messing around with it ALOT, trouble shooting and everything, i just went for 32bit cos its simply SO easy..

Mcninjaguy · 05-24-2009, 06:44 PM

I have no problem find 64 bit drivers

what are you talking about modular?
I have no problems with 64.

You should try Win 7 64 bit before you rant on about what you don't know about.

KharnakIHazWoW · 05-25-2009, 01:43 AM

So far i know Windows 7 is still a beta, that said, it has a time limit and its non upgradeable, so windows 7 is a no go, and aye 64bit sucks cos LOTS of programs dont work on it aswell...

Mcninjaguy · 05-25-2009, 01:47 AM

Wait for the OP to respond now.
Fine be a luddite, your loss.

05-21-2009, 04:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tcash723 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 OS: windows XP version pack 3	Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats I am buying a new desktop for college and i want one that can run World Of Warcraft : Wrath of the Lich King. This game doesn't tkae very much to play yet i would like someone who plays the game or knows aboout the settings of the game to gauge where i would be at for framerates standing still, in dalaran, and raiding a 25 man... please... here are the specs of the comp i was looking at buying for around $1000 depending on certain tweaks... CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 POWER SUPPLY : 580 Watts Power Supplies MOTHERBOARD: Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA, GbLAN, USB2.0, IEEE1394a, & 7.1Audio MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Triple Channel Memory VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express OS: Windows Vista Premium 64-bit or Windows Vista Basic 64-bit Both service pack 1 also could you guys suggest which hard drive i should get a 320G or 500G? Last edited by Tcash723; 05-21-2009 at 04:06 PM.

05-21-2009, 04:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tcash723 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 OS: windows XP version pack 3	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats # POWER SUPPLY Upgrade: 500 Watts Power Supplies (Recommended WIN-500XSPX APEVIA 500W JAVA Power Supply-Black) # CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-920 2.66 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA1366 # COOLING FAN : Intel LGA1366 Certified CPU Fan & Heatsink # MOTHERBOARD: (3-Way SLI Support) MSI X58 Pro Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire DDR3 Mainboard # MEMORY: 3GB (1GBx3) PC1333 DDR3 PC3 10666 Triple Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand) # FREEBIES: None # VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA) # VIDEO CARD 2: None # VIDEO CARD 3: None # MULTIPLE VIDEO CARD SETTINGS: Xtreme Performance in SLI/CrossFireX Gaming Mode Supports Single Monitor # LCD Monitor: 19& quot; TFT Active Matrix LCD Display (Brand-Named LCD Display) # 2nd Monitor: NONE # HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD) # Data Hard Drive: NONE # HARD DRIVE COOLING FAN : Vigor iSURF II Hard Disk Drive Cooling System (1 x System) # USB PORTABLE DRIVE: NONE # Optical Drive: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR) # Optical Drive 2: NONE # SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO # SPEAKERS: 600Watts PMPO Subwoofer Stereo Speakers # NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network # MODEM: PCI 56K V.92 FAX MODEM W/ VOICE # KEYBOARD: Logitech Deluxe 250 USB Keyboard (Black Color) # MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse # Extra Thermal Display : NONE # Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: NONE # Flash Media Reader/Writer: None # VIDEO CAMERA: NONE # PRINTER: None # PRINTER CABLE: None # IEEE CARD: NONE # USB PORT: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports # FLOPPY: NONE # OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Basic w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition) or this build right here would also be good this one is for $1024 which should i choose?

05-21-2009, 04:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tcash723 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 OS: windows XP version pack 3	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats I was thinking around 25-30 fps while questing or standing still Last edited by Tcash723; 05-21-2009 at 04:22 PM.

05-21-2009, 05:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
RockmasteR Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lebanon Posts: 3,203 OS: Vista Ultimate 32bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats you can get very good fps with that PC but the only problem is that it has a weak and a low quality Power Supply you should get this one instead : Corsair 750 W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=Corsair%20750 114 $, 104.49$ after rebate it's the best you can get and can handle your PC very well working with a weak Power supply and especially with the i7 and the 9800 GT can lead to bad consequences, the PSU good get damaged and take PC parts with it __________________ CPUz GPUz Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers System Information for Windows (SIW) Revo Uninstaller RivaTuner ATITOOL Directx 9.0C !!Please don't PM me for Tech Support!!

05-22-2009, 04:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tcash723 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 OS: windows XP version pack 3	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats ok thank very much is that a good deal for $1024 including keyboard mouse speakers and a monitor?

05-22-2009, 09:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
RockmasteR Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lebanon Posts: 3,203 OS: Vista Ultimate 32bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats - Intel Core i7 920 : 279.99 $ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...i7+920&x=0&y=0 - ASUS P6T SE: 209.99 $ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...sus%20P6T%20SE - Corsair 3 Gb (1gb x 3) : 86$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145225 - EVGA Geforce 9800 GT 512 Mb : 99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130435 - Windows Vista 64 Bit SP1 : 99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116488 - LG LCD Monitor 19" 149.99$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824005110 - Corsair PSU 750 W :104.49$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Corsair%20750W Total : 1028.46 $ and that with the Corsair PSU so always choose to build your own PC it's better that way you asked about the Hard disk and which one, just go with the 500 Gb is it's not different a lot in price with the 320 Gb __________________ CPUz GPUz Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers System Information for Windows (SIW) Revo Uninstaller RivaTuner ATITOOL Directx 9.0C !!Please don't PM me for Tech Support!! Last edited by RockmasteR; 05-22-2009 at 09:23 AM.

05-23-2009, 03:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats You forgot the case RockmasterR. Antec 900 $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129021 Seagate SV35.3 ST3500320SV 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148301

05-23-2009, 04:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
RockmasteR Moderator, Games Team Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Lebanon Posts: 3,203 OS: Vista Ultimate 32bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats Oh right the case so maybe now it's a bit expensive than your budget but you got there a super PC that will serve you for years to come __________________ CPUz GPUz Nvidia Drivers ATI Drivers System Information for Windows (SIW) Revo Uninstaller RivaTuner ATITOOL Directx 9.0C !!Please don't PM me for Tech Support!!

05-23-2009, 09:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats you can also buy a small pc, for less than 900 dollars and still be able to get over 90 frames per second. you dont sound like an extreme gamer so i recommend not buying something stupid like I7, you could go for an E5200 and a radeon 4770. __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-23-2009, 09:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341018 this will suit your needs, especially with modular cables so you dont have to mess around with the shitty cables. trust me on that (cables are ****!) sick graphics card thats able to do crysis or any other game at max settings http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102830 cpu + motherboard combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.191004 ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609026 30 case antec 900 ? just be sure to check out the reviews for the case you want i can recommend a BenQ G2220HD 22" screen, cheap and really rocks. __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-23-2009, 09:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats just take your time to go through my post, the build i posted will crush anything you throw at it. and you can use the left over money to buy a keyboard/mouse/speakers. i can recommend the #1Razer DiamondBack or the #2Razer DeathAdder.. Keyboards, well, i dont know, whatever suits you best.. speakers the same. __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-23-2009, 04:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats I wouldn't get the OCZ as it doesn't post its 12v amps. Get the corsair 750w instead. Modular is just a lot more expensive for just the convenience of having less cables. I like everything else you got in your list KharnakIHazWoW. I don't know if you want to build your own system but you get about the same performance out of a AMD Phenom 2 compared to Core i7.

05-23-2009, 04:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats The OCZ should have about 72, it has 4 rails me thinks.. but i dont know about the mobo, didnt read alot about it but its still overall better than i7, except it limits you to ati, theres no bad about that though(yay?) __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-23-2009, 05:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats The motherboard does not limit you to AT as it has no onboard video. You never want to go with a PSU with multiple 12v rails and they never add up. with 4 a2 rails you'll probably get around 50 amps or so and then there's the effieceny. they don't add up.

05-24-2009, 09:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats oh, i thought it had crossfire? might have linked the wrong one then, well okay, i myself havent used any psu's with more than 1 rail, my mate explained to me how they worked, but i guess.. well, ill have to tell him what i just learned :P but anyways, he could/should take the 850w corsair then, will last alot longer.. and imo psu and case is the most important. oh and btw you should stick with windows vista 32bit or xp 32bit, no more than 3.33gb is needed ever, just buy 4gb ram __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-24-2009, 01:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats Windows 64 bit is very stable and some people do need to use more than 4 gbs of ram for video editing and stuff. Going 64 bit is like comparing XP to a 16 bit system its simply the way to go.

05-24-2009, 03:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats 64bit is.. meh.. so many driver incompatibilities and **** ups, 32bit is just more stable, and honestly he only needed it for gaming wow, 2gb is already enough.. just.. i know he doesnt want driver problems.. its like, 32bit is modular cables and 64bit is not modular.. 32bit is easy and better to manage, 64bit is difficult and annoying, but i agree in some point that 64bit is nice, i wanted it once myself, but after messing around with it ALOT, trouble shooting and everything, i just went for 32bit cos its simply SO easy.. __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-24-2009, 06:44 PM	#18 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats I have no problem find 64 bit drivers what are you talking about modular? I have no problems with 64. You should try Win 7 64 bit before you rant on about what you don't know about.

05-25-2009, 01:43 AM	#19 (permalink)
KharnakIHazWoW Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 138 OS: Windows Vista Ulti 32bit	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats So far i know Windows 7 is still a beta, that said, it has a time limit and its non upgradeable, so windows 7 is a no go, and aye 64bit sucks cos LOTS of programs dont work on it aswell... __________________ Notice: If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing: Never use fire as a hat!

05-25-2009, 01:47 AM	#20 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Help with Gauging New Desktop Stats Wait for the OP to respond now. Fine be a luddite, your loss.