GTA IV has a bad rap?

<Syntax> Zero · 02-25-2009, 07:09 PM

Hey all, I've been looking around a few websites lately researching a bit on GTA IV, and it seems alot of people are having SERIOUS issues with it. Seems its not really optimized all that well for PC?
Anyone here have thoughts on the subject I don't want to blow my 50 USD on a buggy game

kharn_sedreed · 02-25-2009, 07:36 PM

Its pretty good on the 360 but the inherrent problem lies in Games for Windows Live, every game i had that runs on it always seems to have problems either running or installing or it crashes mid game etc.
Fallout 3 i had problems with just getting it started but once i did the game was good.
Honestly if you think the game is good enough for the trouble you'll probly go through with it then go for it otherwise dont waste your money man ^^

EDIT: Oh yeah i forgot to mention i loved GTA4, so personally if i didnt own a 360 i'd have gotten it on the pc

Tiber Septim · 02-25-2009, 10:33 PM

My opinions:
* Half decent game.
* I can't be bothered with all the hoops you have to jump through just to run it.
* It's a poorly optimized system hog.
* I'll be waiting for more patches and an upgrade on my system before I come back to it.

Mcninjaguy · 02-26-2009, 02:16 AM

I think the latest patch fix the poor optimization on most systems

whats your System specs?

RAM
CPU
Video Card
Motherboard
Power Supply Unit

it needs a pretty high end machine its a lot like crysis at its day except not as pretty.

<Syntax> Zero · 02-26-2009, 05:22 AM

RAM: 2Gb 800mhz ram
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.6ghz 5000+
Video Card: Evga 8800GTS 320
Motherboard: ASUS M3A78
Power Supply Unit: I just ordered this one last night: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W

Mcninjaguy · 02-26-2009, 12:06 PM

well I'm not so sure....

you should probably have 4gbs of ram

and they super optimized the Video options in GTA 4

but your CPU might be lagging or it could just beat the minimum requiremnts

your system seems borderline to run it

Nice choice on the PSU!

try this
http://www.yougamers.com/gameometer/10296/

you meet the publishers minimum specs but not the yougamers.com minimum which set a much more realistic minimum spec

<Syntax> Zero · 02-26-2009, 01:12 PM

Ah cool, I've never seen that website before. Its actually got a realistic requirements tool as well, it beats the hell out of canyourunit.com
Thanks, the PSU was actually recommended by one of the techs here

Tiber Septim · 02-26-2009, 02:47 PM

Similar system to mine, maybe slightly slower.
If I turn everything on high, I get about 20FPS. That goes down in heavily populated areas, so it makes driving smoothly kind of hard.
It doesn't look that great on lower settings either.

Like Ninja said, it requires a machine that's powerful enough to run Crysis, but doesn't look as nice.

kharn_sedreed · 02-26-2009, 06:30 PM

Ouch @ 20fps.
To Zero, yeah if you can grab 2 more sticks of 1GB memory wont make a huge difference, but it will make a difference is the thing, also it kills some of the drainage you get from vista (p.o.s XD).
Okay as for whether its worth it, is really up to you, personally i hate doing hoops for games but currently i just went through some with DoW2 lol so i cant talk.
Okay what i suggest to do is, because other people have already conquered the hoops loops and jumps you should do some research and find the solutions before you encounter them that way your prepared and can get it all out of the way in less of the time normally.

Mcninjaguy · 02-26-2009, 07:37 PM

I've never put GTA 4 on very high because the difference from high to ver high isn't noticable.

The game is prettier than the 360 version

and having 4 gbs of ram is nice and its worth it on any gaming system since ram is only at DDR 800mhz is around $60 for 2 x 2 gb sticks of ram

<Syntax> Zero · 02-26-2009, 09:08 PM

Okay so here's one last question. For upping it to 4gbs of ram should I get two 2gb sticks and run them dual channel, or just pick up another 2 1gb sticks? I've been told the dual channel set up provides significantly more performance.

Thanks for the help and advice mates

Mcninjaguy · 02-26-2009, 11:19 PM

yea get 2 x 2gb sticks of ram

do you only 1 x 2 gb stick of ram in your computer?

<Syntax> Zero · 02-27-2009, 07:05 AM

No, I have 2x1gb sticks in my rig

Mcninjaguy · 02-27-2009, 01:31 PM

you are setup for Dual channel

can you post your motherboard so we can find compatible ram for you. This ram wil probably help your computer stay a little faster for all games since it won't be near the maximum amount of ram used up.

Since you know Vista is way too big a resource hog

<Syntax> Zero · 02-27-2009, 02:29 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131340

There she is :P
Yeah, I'm considering going with G-skill for the ram a mate of mine uses it and he swears by g-skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

Mcninjaguy · 02-27-2009, 09:33 PM

yea I like G-skill too

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231148
that's better quality ram

<Syntax> Zero · 02-28-2009, 10:16 AM

Alright cool, I'll look into placing an order tonight hopefully.
Thanks =D

02-25-2009, 07:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	GTA IV has a bad rap? Hey all, I've been looking around a few websites lately researching a bit on GTA IV, and it seems alot of people are having SERIOUS issues with it. Seems its not really optimized all that well for PC? Anyone here have thoughts on the subject I don't want to blow my 50 USD on a buggy game

02-25-2009, 07:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
kharn_sedreed Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia, Queensland Posts: 21 OS: Windows Vista	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Its pretty good on the 360 but the inherrent problem lies in Games for Windows Live, every game i had that runs on it always seems to have problems either running or installing or it crashes mid game etc. Fallout 3 i had problems with just getting it started but once i did the game was good. Honestly if you think the game is good enough for the trouble you'll probly go through with it then go for it otherwise dont waste your money man ^^ EDIT: Oh yeah i forgot to mention i loved GTA4, so personally if i didnt own a 360 i'd have gotten it on the pc Last edited by kharn_sedreed; 02-25-2009 at 07:39 PM.

02-25-2009, 10:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tiber Septim Asst Manager, Games Team Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 2,864 OS: Fedora 11 / Windows 7 My System Blog Entries: 5	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? My opinions: * Half decent game. * I can't be bothered with all the hoops you have to jump through just to run it. * It's a poorly optimized system hog. * I'll be waiting for more patches and an upgrade on my system before I come back to it. __________________ First Steps - System Specs - SIW Help TSF beat Cancer and other serious Illness.

02-26-2009, 02:16 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? I think the latest patch fix the poor optimization on most systems whats your System specs? RAM CPU Video Card Motherboard Power Supply Unit it needs a pretty high end machine its a lot like crysis at its day except not as pretty.

02-26-2009, 05:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? RAM: 2Gb 800mhz ram CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.6ghz 5000+ Video Card: Evga 8800GTS 320 Motherboard: ASUS M3A78 Power Supply Unit: I just ordered this one last night: CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W

02-26-2009, 12:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? well I'm not so sure.... you should probably have 4gbs of ram and they super optimized the Video options in GTA 4 but your CPU might be lagging or it could just beat the minimum requiremnts your system seems borderline to run it Nice choice on the PSU! try this http://www.yougamers.com/gameometer/10296/ you meet the publishers minimum specs but not the yougamers.com minimum which set a much more realistic minimum spec

02-26-2009, 01:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Ah cool, I've never seen that website before. Its actually got a realistic requirements tool as well, it beats the hell out of canyourunit.com Thanks, the PSU was actually recommended by one of the techs here

02-26-2009, 02:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tiber Septim Asst Manager, Games Team Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 2,864 OS: Fedora 11 / Windows 7 My System Blog Entries: 5	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Similar system to mine, maybe slightly slower. If I turn everything on high, I get about 20FPS. That goes down in heavily populated areas, so it makes driving smoothly kind of hard. It doesn't look that great on lower settings either. Like Ninja said, it requires a machine that's powerful enough to run Crysis, but doesn't look as nice. __________________ First Steps - System Specs - SIW Help TSF beat Cancer and other serious Illness.

02-26-2009, 06:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
kharn_sedreed Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Australia, Queensland Posts: 21 OS: Windows Vista	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Ouch @ 20fps. To Zero, yeah if you can grab 2 more sticks of 1GB memory wont make a huge difference, but it will make a difference is the thing, also it kills some of the drainage you get from vista (p.o.s XD). Okay as for whether its worth it, is really up to you, personally i hate doing hoops for games but currently i just went through some with DoW2 lol so i cant talk. Okay what i suggest to do is, because other people have already conquered the hoops loops and jumps you should do some research and find the solutions before you encounter them that way your prepared and can get it all out of the way in less of the time normally.

02-26-2009, 07:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? I've never put GTA 4 on very high because the difference from high to ver high isn't noticable. The game is prettier than the 360 version and having 4 gbs of ram is nice and its worth it on any gaming system since ram is only at DDR 800mhz is around $60 for 2 x 2 gb sticks of ram

02-26-2009, 09:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Okay so here's one last question. For upping it to 4gbs of ram should I get two 2gb sticks and run them dual channel, or just pick up another 2 1gb sticks? I've been told the dual channel set up provides significantly more performance. Thanks for the help and advice mates

02-26-2009, 11:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? yea get 2 x 2gb sticks of ram do you only 1 x 2 gb stick of ram in your computer?

02-27-2009, 07:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? No, I have 2x1gb sticks in my rig

02-27-2009, 01:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? you are setup for Dual channel can you post your motherboard so we can find compatible ram for you. This ram wil probably help your computer stay a little faster for all games since it won't be near the maximum amount of ram used up. Since you know Vista is way too big a resource hog

02-27-2009, 02:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131340 There she is :P Yeah, I'm considering going with G-skill for the ram a mate of mine uses it and he swears by g-skill http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

02-27-2009, 09:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? yea I like G-skill too http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231148 that's better quality ram

02-28-2009, 10:16 AM	#17 (permalink)
<Syntax> Zero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Winthrop, NY Posts: 48 OS: Vista Home Premium SP1	Re: GTA IV has a bad rap? Alright cool, I'll look into placing an order tonight hopefully. Thanks =D