High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow

osirisg89 · 04-02-2007, 03:51 PM

Specs:
MSI P6N SLI Mobo
512MB Radeon x1650 PCI EXpress
Core 2 Duo 2.4 Processor
2 gb of Kingston ram
WD 250 GB hdd

I just put 1000 dollars into building my new pc. I'm angry because I try to run high end games and they run very sluggish. The lag is unbearable. My chipset/drivers are all updated and games are all patch without any luck. Can anybody help??

**pharoah** · 04-02-2007, 04:25 PM

first thoughts id say it one of two things.its either power supply list it brand and specs,or its the video card its a midrange video card.the rest of your system looks good the video card is most likely the bottleneck.

osirisg89 · 04-02-2007, 04:47 PM

It def cannot be the PSU. I have a 650 w Antec i just bought a few months ago w/ a 80% (or 90, i cant remember) efficiency. And i really wouldn't consider the 1650 series "mid range". I just had a custom p4 3.0 ghz w/ a ATI 512 mb x1600 agp and it ran Doom 3 perfectly. I just got rid of that pc because i was sick of the heating issues w/ the Prescott. If this helps, and i hope this isn't the case, someone told me it could possibly be that its incompatible w/ my MSI mobo. Any other suggestions?

**pharoah** · 04-02-2007, 11:40 PM

have a run through the follow these steps first link in my sig.have you checked your temps http://www.techsupportforum.com/arti...rsviewpro.html

Atypicality · 04-03-2007, 01:08 AM

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Probably ignorant of me; but what detail are you running them on?

**pharoah** · 04-03-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Atypicality

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Probably ignorant of me; but what detail are you running them on?

not at all because a midrange card such as a 1650.definetly isnt going to run stalker on full settings.

osirisg89 · 04-03-2007, 11:45 AM

well i turn on temporal anti-aliasing in CCC and doom 3 runs smoothly. I did hear that stalker is demanding of video cards. I've turned the detail down up and all around with no luck w/stalker. You think if i turn down the res that might help a bit?

**pharoah** · 04-03-2007, 02:27 PM

oh most definetly reducing resolution will make a huge impact on performance,or should unless something else is off.

philheckler · 04-04-2007, 04:32 AM

Hi ,

Are you running window Vista - I've heard a lot of people complaining that games run slow with it...

One constructive comment though is that the pedigree of system you've built really cries out for a more superior gfx card than an x1650 which is very mid range - min i'd put in your system would be a 7900gs or x1900 series card - personally I'd have gone for an 8800 series card which would support dx10 in the future..

Phil.

osirisg89 · 04-04-2007, 11:05 AM

I'm running xp.

Ok so i tried changing the res and that didn't work. Phil, About my card...i thought about that..could you send me a link on newegg or another trusted site and I could view these cards your talking about?

**pharoah** · 04-04-2007, 11:10 AM

well here are some links,however in another week or so.there are some cheaper dx10 cards coming out.namely the 8600gts/gt.from the specs,and some benchmarks around the gts looks like a beast.

7900gs cards

1950xt cards

8600gts < not out yet

osirisg89 · 04-04-2007, 11:31 AM

Thanx guys for all your help. I'm kinda on a tight budget so i might just go for one of 7900gs cards. Even thought its a 256 mb, that wont change much from a 512mb will it?

**pharoah** · 04-04-2007, 12:08 PM

only change you will see is faster games.that 7900gs will blow the doors off a 1650.actually a 1650 isnt even strong enough to utilize 512mb.

osirisg89 · 04-04-2007, 12:25 PM

ha, wish i did some research before i bought this card, thanx for all your help I really appreciate it. I'll be buying this new card.

**pharoah** · 04-04-2007, 12:29 PM

your welcome also do keep in mind about the new dx10 cards coming out soon.newer games not yet released most everything will be going dx10.that 8600gts i mentioned benchmarks as good,or better than the 7900gs,and the 8600 also has dx10 support.

osirisg89 · 04-05-2007, 04:08 PM

Does this mean that newer games will be completely incompatible w/7900gs? or they wont look as good

**pharoah** · 04-05-2007, 05:24 PM

it will be a good while before games totally drop dx9 support,but still the new 8600 series would probably be worth the wait.thats what i am waiting for myself.

Atypicality · 04-05-2007, 06:00 PM

Put it this way - how many people play games made before 2002, on dx9 cards?

It's my understanding that if we can play dx8 (or even 7 or 6) games on dx9 supporting cards; why not dx9 games on dx10 cards?

osirisg89 · 04-05-2007, 07:06 PM

yea i that makes all sense, thanx again for everyones help.

osirisg89 · 04-09-2007, 06:11 PM

ok so im still having the same problem after buying and installing the 7900 gs. This is so frustrating. I can't believe im still having this problem. I just ran both stalker and half life 2 and there still so choppy their wasnt much of a diff from the x1650 pro. any suggestions?

04-02-2007, 03:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow Specs: MSI P6N SLI Mobo 512MB Radeon x1650 PCI EXpress Core 2 Duo 2.4 Processor 2 gb of Kingston ram WD 250 GB hdd I just put 1000 dollars into building my new pc. I'm angry because I try to run high end games and they run very sluggish. The lag is unbearable. My chipset/drivers are all updated and games are all patch without any luck. Can anybody help??

04-02-2007, 04:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow first thoughts id say it one of two things.its either power supply list it brand and specs,or its the video card its a midrange video card.the rest of your system looks good the video card is most likely the bottleneck. __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015

04-02-2007, 04:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow It def cannot be the PSU. I have a 650 w Antec i just bought a few months ago w/ a 80% (or 90, i cant remember) efficiency. And i really wouldn't consider the 1650 series "mid range". I just had a custom p4 3.0 ghz w/ a ATI 512 mb x1600 agp and it ran Doom 3 perfectly. I just got rid of that pc because i was sick of the heating issues w/ the Prescott. If this helps, and i hope this isn't the case, someone told me it could possibly be that its incompatible w/ my MSI mobo. Any other suggestions?

04-02-2007, 11:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow have a run through the follow these steps first link in my sig.have you checked your temps http://www.techsupportforum.com/arti...rsviewpro.html __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015

04-03-2007, 01:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
Atypicality Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia. Posts: 65 OS: XP Pro x64 SP2	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow ... Probably ignorant of me; but what detail are you running them on?

04-03-2007, 11:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow well i turn on temporal anti-aliasing in CCC and doom 3 runs smoothly. I did hear that stalker is demanding of video cards. I've turned the detail down up and all around with no luck w/stalker. You think if i turn down the res that might help a bit?

04-03-2007, 02:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow oh most definetly reducing resolution will make a huge impact on performance,or should unless something else is off. __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015

04-04-2007, 04:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
philheckler Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 114 OS: xp My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow Hi , Are you running window Vista - I've heard a lot of people complaining that games run slow with it... One constructive comment though is that the pedigree of system you've built really cries out for a more superior gfx card than an x1650 which is very mid range - min i'd put in your system would be a 7900gs or x1900 series card - personally I'd have gone for an 8800 series card which would support dx10 in the future.. Phil.

04-04-2007, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow I'm running xp. Ok so i tried changing the res and that didn't work. Phil, About my card...i thought about that..could you send me a link on newegg or another trusted site and I could view these cards your talking about?

04-04-2007, 11:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow well here are some links,however in another week or so.there are some cheaper dx10 cards coming out.namely the 8600gts/gt.from the specs,and some benchmarks around the gts looks like a beast. 7900gs cards 1950xt cards 8600gts < not out yet __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015 Last edited by pharoah; 04-04-2007 at 11:12 AM.

04-04-2007, 11:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow Thanx guys for all your help. I'm kinda on a tight budget so i might just go for one of 7900gs cards. Even thought its a 256 mb, that wont change much from a 512mb will it?

04-04-2007, 12:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow only change you will see is faster games.that 7900gs will blow the doors off a 1650.actually a 1650 isnt even strong enough to utilize 512mb. __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015 Last edited by pharoah; 04-04-2007 at 12:10 PM.

04-04-2007, 12:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow ha, wish i did some research before i bought this card, thanx for all your help I really appreciate it. I'll be buying this new card.

04-04-2007, 12:29 PM	#15 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow your welcome also do keep in mind about the new dx10 cards coming out soon.newer games not yet released most everything will be going dx10.that 8600gts i mentioned benchmarks as good,or better than the 7900gs,and the 8600 also has dx10 support. __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015

04-05-2007, 04:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow Does this mean that newer games will be completely incompatible w/7900gs? or they wont look as good

04-05-2007, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
pharoah TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,188 OS: vista business edition My System	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow it will be a good while before games totally drop dx9 support,but still the new 8600 series would probably be worth the wait.thats what i am waiting for myself. __________________ Follow These Steps First Power Supply Selection Posting System Specs Oblivion Tweak Guide Video Drivers& Information TSF folding at home team 85015

04-05-2007, 06:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
Atypicality Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brisbane, Australia. Posts: 65 OS: XP Pro x64 SP2	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow Put it this way - how many people play games made before 2002, on dx9 cards? It's my understanding that if we can play dx8 (or even 7 or 6) games on dx9 supporting cards; why not dx9 games on dx10 cards?

04-05-2007, 07:06 PM	#19 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow yea i that makes all sense, thanx again for everyones help.

04-09-2007, 06:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
osirisg89 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64 OS: Windows XP	Re: High end games (such as doom 3, Stalker shadow of chernobyl) run very slow ok so im still having the same problem after buying and installing the 7900 gs. This is so frustrating. I can't believe im still having this problem. I just ran both stalker and half life 2 and there still so choppy their wasnt much of a diff from the x1650 pro. any suggestions?