A problem that usually happens when I'm playing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne

KingofLodis · 07-20-2006, 04:07 AM

NOTE: THIS IS COPIED AND PASTED FROM MY OTHER THREAD! >_>

I've addressed this issue time and time again, but there seems to be no getting at what the exact problem is, so I'm going to address it again. My budget is VERY limited, so there's no way at all of me getting that many new parts without it taking a lengthy amount of time.

My computer ceases to send information to my monitor, and to my headphones at times as well. I have to restart it when this issue happens. I know there's no signal to the monitor because for one: My monitor says "no signal" and for two... The music stops...

My video card: Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MBS
Power Supply W: 440W
My motherboard: Asus K8N
My CPU: AMD Athlon 64-bit

Yes, I updated all the drivers for my video card.
Yes, I scanned for ad-aware, malware, spyware.
Yes, I scanned for viruses.

No, I don't have another PSU I can try.

I cleaned my HDD a few times of anything that can be harmful, and what wasn't needed, etc.

I just cleaned the place where the videocard goes into the motherboard, and it still happens, AND I cleaned the fan.

Here's another thing... I constantly get this message in my event log before the thing happens. It's an error. I don't know if this can be the problem.

Quote:
Event Type: Error
Event Source: Perflib
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1015
Date: 7/7/2006
Time: 5:47:31 PM
User: N/A
Computer: CC-8F8980DAA84B
Description:
The timeout waiting for the performance data collection function "PerfProc" in the "C:\WINNT\system32\perfproc.dll" Library to finish has expired. There may be a problem with this extensible counter or the service it is collecting data from or the system may have been very busy when this call was attempted.

This error also happens AFTER and a LONG time before the comp messes up:

Quote:
Event Type: Error
Event Source: PerfNet
Event Category: None
Event ID: 2004
Date: 7/7/2006
Time: 5:54:50 PM
User: N/A
Computer: CC-8F8980DAA84B
Description:
Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0.
Data:
0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À

Any suggestions?

EDIT: I checked my mobo, and cpu temp when I was playing the game, and the program didn't beep, and the temperature didn't go up far or anything...

The chassis fan and power fan or w/e won't show up in my program though.

The program I use for this is ASUS Probe!

Tumbleweed36 · 07-20-2006, 04:47 AM

Hi,

Give this free program a run and see what readings you get for voltages, temps, and fan speeds. I suggest you list them at-rest and under-stress so we can compare:

SensorView Pro

http://www.stvsoft.com/download.php?id=122

**koala** · 07-20-2006, 05:46 AM

You can try Start > Run > winmgmt /resyncperf to see if this fixes the errors.

KingofLodis · 07-20-2006, 12:56 PM

I did what you asked Koala, and I downloaded that program Tumbleweed, so I ran the program:

For some reason it says the CPU is at 0 degrees C, and 32 degrees F.
SYS: 37/99
AUX: 32/90
HDD: 42/108

This is when things are NOT under stress.

(Goes to turn on Warcraft) Is there a time where it makes a noise or something when the temps get too high or anything?

Here's another interesting thing... It says the memory usage is 32% but I've barely got any programs running.

After starting to play a game:
CPU: 0/32
SYS: 46/115 (Was 120)
AUX: 34/94
HDD: 42/108

Tumbleweed36 · 07-20-2006, 02:09 PM

Hi,

Looks like your sensor in that area is not reporting with this program. What are the temps in C for the probe program? What were the voltage readings for your rig (sensor view does a nice job of that)? However, with the board readings on temps, they seem o.k. What brand is that power supply and how many amps does it put out on the 12 volt rail?

Just curious, I have that same video card in my spare computer...what drivers are you using? I use the Omega drivers which do a much better job IMHO.

KingofLodis · 07-20-2006, 02:41 PM

With Asus Probe:
CPU: 42/107
MB: 34/93
Power Fan: NA
Chassis Fan: NA

Power supply: Raidmax 420W
+12V 13.0A
-12V 0.8A

In Probe it says the "value" for 12V is around 11.7

I'm using Catalyst 6.2...

Tumbleweed36 · 07-20-2006, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofLodis

With Asus Probe:
CPU: 42/107

For your processor, if that is at-rest, that is pretty darn hot, but still within that thin edge of what is too hot and what is not. I would suggest you take this reading while playing that game and see what it gets up to. As an example, I have a San Diego 3700+ and using a standard heatsink and fan am sitting here typing at 29c. This thing under the most stress, never gets much over the 42c that you are reporting.

MB: 34/93

Pretty normal for a MB

Power Fan: NA
Chassis Fan: NA

Power supply: Raidmax 420W

+12V 13.0A

If this reading (13A) is the amps available on the +12 line, this will cause you to have difficulty with a game that stresses the computer. Raidmax is not a very strong power supply, even at 420 watts. Please take a few minutes to read this sticky and you will better understand what I am saying:

http://www.techsupportforum.com/showthread.php?t=107466

-12V 0.8A

In Probe it says the "value" for 12V is around 11.7

That reading is normal if it is correct and I suspect it is.

I'm using Catalyst 6.2...

Back to the power supply. Do you have a spare you can try or a friend who might have one to loan you?

Post back with questions/concerns.

KingofLodis · 07-20-2006, 10:25 PM

Nope, I don't have a spare psu I can get my hands on, and even then... I'm somewhat afraid of using a new psu, considering I'd have to hook everything back up and junk.. I'm afraid I might plug everything in wrong (even though I built my computer.. It was so long ago..)

Is there a good PSU I should try to get my hands on?

Right now, at rest (actually, with AIM, and a download going..), with ASUS Probe, my cpu is at 102F, when I play a game... It goes up to 113F The mobo stays around 95F

The game I was playing btw is Secondlife. A "power muncher" -.-

Tumbleweed36 · 07-21-2006, 08:48 AM

Hi again,

Darn, the power supply might be underpowered, but I am not yet convinced that is the problem. Before we go there and spend a bunch of money, I would experiment a while since it says no signal to the video.

> Have you gone into the Device Manager and checked to make sure there are no red or yellow check marks that indicates a driver problem in the video area?

> Why not give the Omega drives a hit, they work so well with this card.

> Have you taken some Alcohol (90% + if possible) and cleaned the insert prongs on the bottom of the video card before reseating it.

> Just to make sure everything is set up right, go into the BIOS setup menu and make sure the AGP is listed first for the video card.

> Have you tried getting rid of all the video drivers before you update and reload the drivers? Here is a small tutorial:

What is the full uninstall procedure I must follow if I want to remove the XX drivers from my system?

Before you start this full uninstall procedure, make sure you have downloaded and installed the latest version of Driver Cleaner.

Driver Cleaner Link

HERE

Clean procedure to remove old drivers

1. Go to the Windows Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs section.

2. Uninstall the ATI Control Panel or Catalyst Control Center, don’t restart.

3. If uninstalling the Omega Drivers, uninstall Radlinker (if using an old driver set).

4. Uninstall the existing driver set, restart.

5. Boot your PC in safe mode.

6. Run Driver Cleaner, restart afterwards.

7. If uninstalling the Omega Drivers, now uninstall the Setup Tools from the Start Menu.

8. Now you can install any driver you like.

Here is the link to Omega Drivers:

HERE

I would NOT act on the power supply until we look on some of these things above. However, if it works out in the end that might be the problem, then here is what I suggest: Buy one from someplace like BestBuy or Staples and if it does not solve the problem, return it for a small restocking charge) Cheap that way and you know if that solves your problem.

KingofLodis · 07-21-2006, 07:05 PM

Ok, here's something odd that I found out the other day...

When this happens I can't press caps lock, but I can press num lock??! That's fishy... >_> And here's another thing, this time... After a bit of waiting while it happened, it said "settings not supported" or something like that, and then "34hz and 32hz" or something weird like that.. But that never showed up before...

I don't have access to alcohol... For reasons a bit obvious I suppose... And I'm glad I don't have access to it, honestly.

Yeah, AGP is listed first for the video card... I'm not gunna uninstall the drivers till I get Omega, a big risk there >_>

Oops, I didn't see the omega link xD

Ummm.. So I don't need catalyst AT ALL?

*Checks device manager*

Nothing red or yellow in the Device Manager

**gamerman0203** · 07-22-2006, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofLodis

Ok, here's something odd that I found out the other day...

When this happens I can't press caps lock, but I can press num lock??! That's fishy... >_> And here's another thing, this time... After a bit of waiting while it happened, it said "settings not supported" or something like that, and then "34hz and 32hz" or something weird like that.. But that never showed up before...

I don't have access to alcohol... For reasons a bit obvious I suppose... And I'm glad I don't have access to it, honestly.

Yeah, AGP is listed first for the video card... I'm not gunna uninstall the drivers till I get Omega, a big risk there >_>

Oops, I didn't see the omega link xD

Ummm.. So I don't need catalyst AT ALL?

*Checks device manager*

Nothing red or yellow in the Device Manager

The alcohol is Isopropyl (sp?) alcohol. "rubbing alcohol". you can get it anywhere, but make sure it is above 90%.

Next, yes, uninstall ATI's drivers before installing Omega. uninstall, restart, install omega. I run omega on my laptop and it is fabulous!

KingofLodis · 07-30-2006, 04:47 AM

Well, I uninstalled all the other ATI drivers, and installed Omega, and for the first week or however long I didn't reply *sorry* it was working fine with Wc3:TFT, however, just now, today, about 4 minutes ago, it happened AGAIN, however, this time I did not have to restart it (As I didn't have to do a few times over, but... Yeah..)

Wc3 is running fine and everything, then all of a sudden it goes pitch black again, and says no signal.. But this time it said "Adjusting" and it said something like 46 KHZ or something... The monitor... I don't know if it was the monitor adjusting, or the video card... But when the problem stopped, or it stopped adjusting or whatever it was doing, the settings were set back to 800x600 16 bit color. When I normally have it on 32-bit color/ 1024x768. And another thing that's odd... Is that Wc3 is still working fine and dandy, but it won't let me go back to wc3, I can click it but it never pops back up again.

Another thing that I find disturbing after this little issue, is that my frame rate on webpages is EXTREMELY slow... Whenever I scroll up or down, it lags to the point of where it looks like the page is cutting itself... Then slowly pastes itself back together... I don't know how to explain it...

KingofLodis · 07-30-2006, 05:05 PM

*sighs* More bad news... The No Signal thing still doesn't work... -.-

But remember that when this happens, I can still press num lock, but not caps lock or anything...

**gamerman0203** · 07-31-2006, 07:17 AM

when this happens, if/when you get back to the desktop, hit ctrl-alt-delete. Click Task Manager. Then go to the Performance tab. Make a note of your CPU and Memory usage. Report that back to us.

But more likely what I think is happening is the Power supply is insufficient like Tumble said. If you can get another PSU from anywhere, I would try it. Since you're monitor is loosing signal and whatnot, that does seem to be that your video card is being insufficiently powered.

KingofLodis · 07-31-2006, 09:16 PM

When I check my CPU usage and memory usage, they seem to be perfectly normal after the problem happens...

If my video card was insufficiently powered, wouldn't the fan turn off? And wouldn't things.. Turn off...?..

Tumbleweed36 · 08-01-2006, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingofLodis

When I check my CPU usage and memory usage, they seem to be perfectly normal after the problem happens...

If my video card was insufficiently powered, wouldn't the fan turn off?

No, fan does not normally turn off when underpowered.
And wouldn't things.. Turn off...?..

No, there can be many symptoms, not just turn off. They can turn off, but that is not necessarily the symptom that you will see. A fluxuating voltage can cause so many symptoms that it is difficult to pinpoint exactly, except they don't function correctlly.

KingofLodis · 08-01-2006, 07:50 PM

Well, now my trouble would be... Finding a good PSU worthy enough for my computer's specs, and my gaming... And I'm not on that great of a budget either, any help?

And one more question, that's odd...

What would the problem be if... It's NOT a psu problem? >_> And I put in an uber 800Watt uber quality PSU, and the problem kept happening?

**gamerman0203** · 08-02-2006, 06:13 AM

Cooler Master - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171007

Enermax - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103459

Antec - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103936

Thinking budget wise, these are still really good PSU's and will still power your system. If you think you might be upgrading to a better video card or cpu or anything soon, you may want to get something with a little more power than what I've suggested. For your current system these will be just peachy!

KingofLodis · 08-02-2006, 08:09 PM

Out of those 3 which of those would you recommend first to someone?

Tumbleweed36 · 08-02-2006, 08:39 PM

Hi,

I would skip the Coolermaster because IMHO, it is not in the same class as either of the other two. Both of the other two are both pretty good supplies and are equal in a lot of respects. If I were choosing (O.K., I know you asked Gamerman), a single supply from these three, I would choose the Enermax because of more amps on the 12v rails. Hey, that is my opinion anyhow and others might disagree.

07-20-2006, 04:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	A problem that usually happens when I'm playing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne NOTE: THIS IS COPIED AND PASTED FROM MY OTHER THREAD! >_> I've addressed this issue time and time again, but there seems to be no getting at what the exact problem is, so I'm going to address it again. My budget is VERY limited, so there's no way at all of me getting that many new parts without it taking a lengthy amount of time. My computer ceases to send information to my monitor, and to my headphones at times as well. I have to restart it when this issue happens. I know there's no signal to the monitor because for one: My monitor says "no signal" and for two... The music stops... My video card: Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MBS Power Supply W: 440W My motherboard: Asus K8N My CPU: AMD Athlon 64-bit Yes, I updated all the drivers for my video card. Yes, I scanned for ad-aware, malware, spyware. Yes, I scanned for viruses. No, I don't have another PSU I can try. I cleaned my HDD a few times of anything that can be harmful, and what wasn't needed, etc. I just cleaned the place where the videocard goes into the motherboard, and it still happens, AND I cleaned the fan. Here's another thing... I constantly get this message in my event log before the thing happens. It's an error. I don't know if this can be the problem. Quote: Event Type: Error Event Source: Perflib Event Category: None Event ID: 1015 Date: 7/7/2006 Time: 5:47:31 PM User: N/A Computer: CC-8F8980DAA84B Description: The timeout waiting for the performance data collection function "PerfProc" in the "C:\WINNT\system32\perfproc.dll" Library to finish has expired. There may be a problem with this extensible counter or the service it is collecting data from or the system may have been very busy when this call was attempted. This error also happens AFTER and a LONG time before the comp messes up: Quote: Event Type: Error Event Source: PerfNet Event Category: None Event ID: 2004 Date: 7/7/2006 Time: 5:54:50 PM User: N/A Computer: CC-8F8980DAA84B Description: Unable to open the Server service. Server performance data will not be returned. Error code returned is in data DWORD 0. Data: 0000: 34 00 00 c0 4..À Any suggestions? EDIT: I checked my mobo, and cpu temp when I was playing the game, and the program didn't beep, and the temperature didn't go up far or anything... The chassis fan and power fan or w/e won't show up in my program though. The program I use for this is ASUS Probe! Last edited by KingofLodis; 07-20-2006 at 04:10 AM.

07-20-2006, 04:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,677 OS: XP Professional	Hi, Give this free program a run and see what readings you get for voltages, temps, and fan speeds. I suggest you list them at-rest and under-stress so we can compare: SensorView Pro http://www.stvsoft.com/download.php?id=122 __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

07-20-2006, 05:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
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07-20-2006, 12:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	I did what you asked Koala, and I downloaded that program Tumbleweed, so I ran the program: For some reason it says the CPU is at 0 degrees C, and 32 degrees F. SYS: 37/99 AUX: 32/90 HDD: 42/108 This is when things are NOT under stress. (Goes to turn on Warcraft) Is there a time where it makes a noise or something when the temps get too high or anything? Here's another interesting thing... It says the memory usage is 32% but I've barely got any programs running. After starting to play a game: CPU: 0/32 SYS: 46/115 (Was 120) AUX: 34/94 HDD: 42/108 Last edited by KingofLodis; 07-20-2006 at 01:21 PM.

07-20-2006, 02:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,677 OS: XP Professional	Hi, Looks like your sensor in that area is not reporting with this program. What are the temps in C for the probe program? What were the voltage readings for your rig (sensor view does a nice job of that)? However, with the board readings on temps, they seem o.k. What brand is that power supply and how many amps does it put out on the 12 volt rail? Just curious, I have that same video card in my spare computer...what drivers are you using? I use the Omega drivers which do a much better job IMHO. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 07-20-2006 at 02:11 PM.

07-20-2006, 02:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	With Asus Probe: CPU: 42/107 MB: 34/93 Power Fan: NA Chassis Fan: NA Power supply: Raidmax 420W +12V 13.0A -12V 0.8A In Probe it says the "value" for 12V is around 11.7 I'm using Catalyst 6.2...

07-20-2006, 10:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	Nope, I don't have a spare psu I can get my hands on, and even then... I'm somewhat afraid of using a new psu, considering I'd have to hook everything back up and junk.. I'm afraid I might plug everything in wrong (even though I built my computer.. It was so long ago..) Is there a good PSU I should try to get my hands on? Right now, at rest (actually, with AIM, and a download going..), with ASUS Probe, my cpu is at 102F, when I play a game... It goes up to 113F The mobo stays around 95F The game I was playing btw is Secondlife. A "power muncher" -.- Last edited by KingofLodis; 07-20-2006 at 10:32 PM.

07-21-2006, 08:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,677 OS: XP Professional	Hi again, Darn, the power supply might be underpowered, but I am not yet convinced that is the problem. Before we go there and spend a bunch of money, I would experiment a while since it says no signal to the video. > Have you gone into the Device Manager and checked to make sure there are no red or yellow check marks that indicates a driver problem in the video area? > Why not give the Omega drives a hit, they work so well with this card. > Have you taken some Alcohol (90% + if possible) and cleaned the insert prongs on the bottom of the video card before reseating it. > Just to make sure everything is set up right, go into the BIOS setup menu and make sure the AGP is listed first for the video card. > Have you tried getting rid of all the video drivers before you update and reload the drivers? Here is a small tutorial: What is the full uninstall procedure I must follow if I want to remove the XX drivers from my system? Before you start this full uninstall procedure, make sure you have downloaded and installed the latest version of Driver Cleaner. Driver Cleaner Link HERE Clean procedure to remove old drivers 1. Go to the Windows Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs section. 2. Uninstall the ATI Control Panel or Catalyst Control Center, don’t restart. 3. If uninstalling the Omega Drivers, uninstall Radlinker (if using an old driver set). 4. Uninstall the existing driver set, restart. 5. Boot your PC in safe mode. 6. Run Driver Cleaner, restart afterwards. 7. If uninstalling the Omega Drivers, now uninstall the Setup Tools from the Start Menu. 8. Now you can install any driver you like. Here is the link to Omega Drivers: HERE I would NOT act on the power supply until we look on some of these things above. However, if it works out in the end that might be the problem, then here is what I suggest: Buy one from someplace like BestBuy or Staples and if it does not solve the problem, return it for a small restocking charge) Cheap that way and you know if that solves your problem. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

07-21-2006, 07:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	Ok, here's something odd that I found out the other day... When this happens I can't press caps lock, but I can press num lock??! That's fishy... >_> And here's another thing, this time... After a bit of waiting while it happened, it said "settings not supported" or something like that, and then "34hz and 32hz" or something weird like that.. But that never showed up before... I don't have access to alcohol... For reasons a bit obvious I suppose... And I'm glad I don't have access to it, honestly. Yeah, AGP is listed first for the video card... I'm not gunna uninstall the drivers till I get Omega, a big risk there >_> Oops, I didn't see the omega link xD Ummm.. So I don't need catalyst AT ALL? Checks device manager Nothing red or yellow in the Device Manager Last edited by KingofLodis; 07-21-2006 at 07:17 PM.

07-30-2006, 04:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	Well, I uninstalled all the other ATI drivers, and installed Omega, and for the first week or however long I didn't reply sorry it was working fine with Wc3:TFT, however, just now, today, about 4 minutes ago, it happened AGAIN, however, this time I did not have to restart it (As I didn't have to do a few times over, but... Yeah..) Wc3 is running fine and everything, then all of a sudden it goes pitch black again, and says no signal.. But this time it said "Adjusting" and it said something like 46 KHZ or something... The monitor... I don't know if it was the monitor adjusting, or the video card... But when the problem stopped, or it stopped adjusting or whatever it was doing, the settings were set back to 800x600 16 bit color. When I normally have it on 32-bit color/ 1024x768. And another thing that's odd... Is that Wc3 is still working fine and dandy, but it won't let me go back to wc3, I can click it but it never pops back up again. Another thing that I find disturbing after this little issue, is that my frame rate on webpages is EXTREMELY slow... Whenever I scroll up or down, it lags to the point of where it looks like the page is cutting itself... Then slowly pastes itself back together... I don't know how to explain it...

07-30-2006, 05:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	sighs More bad news... The No Signal thing still doesn't work... -.- But remember that when this happens, I can still press num lock, but not caps lock or anything...

07-31-2006, 07:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
gamerman0203 Retired Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2,144 OS: XP MCE, Ubuntu Gutsy My System	when this happens, if/when you get back to the desktop, hit ctrl-alt-delete. Click Task Manager. Then go to the Performance tab. Make a note of your CPU and Memory usage. Report that back to us. But more likely what I think is happening is the Power supply is insufficient like Tumble said. If you can get another PSU from anywhere, I would try it. Since you're monitor is loosing signal and whatnot, that does seem to be that your video card is being insufficiently powered. __________________ Follow These Steps First! CPU-Z \| SensorView \| WinXP Clean Boot \| Latest DirectX \| ATI Catalyst \| Nvidia ForceWare Posting System Specifications

07-31-2006, 09:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	When I check my CPU usage and memory usage, they seem to be perfectly normal after the problem happens... If my video card was insufficiently powered, wouldn't the fan turn off? And wouldn't things.. Turn off...?..

08-01-2006, 07:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	Well, now my trouble would be... Finding a good PSU worthy enough for my computer's specs, and my gaming... And I'm not on that great of a budget either, any help? And one more question, that's odd... What would the problem be if... It's NOT a psu problem? >_> And I put in an uber 800Watt uber quality PSU, and the problem kept happening? Last edited by KingofLodis; 08-01-2006 at 07:52 PM.

08-02-2006, 06:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
gamerman0203 Retired Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2,144 OS: XP MCE, Ubuntu Gutsy My System	Cooler Master - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171007 Enermax - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103459 Antec - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103936 Thinking budget wise, these are still really good PSU's and will still power your system. If you think you might be upgrading to a better video card or cpu or anything soon, you may want to get something with a little more power than what I've suggested. For your current system these will be just peachy! __________________ Follow These Steps First! CPU-Z \| SensorView \| WinXP Clean Boot \| Latest DirectX \| ATI Catalyst \| Nvidia ForceWare Posting System Specifications

08-02-2006, 08:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
KingofLodis Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 216 OS: Windows 2000 Pro	Out of those 3 which of those would you recommend first to someone?

08-02-2006, 08:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,677 OS: XP Professional	Hi, I would skip the Coolermaster because IMHO, it is not in the same class as either of the other two. Both of the other two are both pretty good supplies and are equal in a lot of respects. If I were choosing (O.K., I know you asked Gamerman), a single supply from these three, I would choose the Enermax because of more amps on the 12v rails. Hey, that is my opinion anyhow and others might disagree. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.