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Old 04-11-2012, 05:22 PM   #1
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Hey everyone! (Before I start, I don't want to hear anything about overkill... I know it 'is' but I do have reasons for such ridiculous stuff)

Long story short: I'm selling my old computer that I use as a server and buying X79 to replace my current computer, which in turn will become my 'old computer' or server (the server is used for storing downloads and things like that It's also used for friends to play games when they come over).

Long story long:

I currently have a Dell XPS 420 that has been upgraded. This will be completely sold. Options are 5830 and 6970 with 4GB Kingston HyperX RAM, Corsair TX650W PSU and 2 x 500GB HDDs in RAID 0. (PM me if you're itnerested in buying, though I think I have two local buyers interested).

My main rig is:

Intel Core i7 950 @3.84GHz OC (Cooled by Noctua NH-D14)
ASUS P6X58D-E
12GB (6x2GB) Corsair XMS3 RAM @ 1600MHz
Crucial M4 128GB SSD
WD Black 1TB for Fraps recordings
WD Green 2TB for storage and programs (I need a faster one for programs)
XFX Black Edition 7970 OCed @ 1125/1575MHz + 20% power available (maxed sliders in CCC)
Corsair TX650W PSU (This will be in the other computer if I sell it. It currently is using the stock Dell PSU (which handles the 5830 fine actually)
NZXT Phantom - Black

This thing pwns almost anything and I love it, though I run at 3x1080P eyefinity and some games do start to show a little slowing down. Crysis 2 mainly.



My new main build has been mostly decided and is as follows:

Intel Core i7 3930K - To be cooled by a Corsair H100*
32GB RAM**
Gigabyte X79-UD5
All storage from current build
XFX ProSeries 1050W 80+Gold Black Edition
7970 from current build
NZXT Phantom from current build

Main points on this below:

*This is, from what I've seen, pretty much the best you can get without going for custom water cooled. Please suggest anything else if you know of better!

**Preferrably 8GB chips (Patriot G2 are what I'm looking at, however they are ugly and I'm not entirely sure of actual specs). Does anyone know of any decent, reliable, fast, 8GB chips that aren't extortionately priced?

Basically, can someone verify this will work well together, and will I be able to squeeze at least 4GHz out of that 3930K quite easily? Also, I chose that motherboard mainly for the colour scheme. My case is black, cooler will be black etc. So basically black/white(silver) colour scheme. Is this motherboard decent or do you suggest something else? I looked at the P9X79 and the Sabertooth from ASUS which both seem good, but I don't know if they're better or worse and would like other users' opinions before I decide.


Then, my second build (this current one) will be:

Same CPU, Cooler, RAM and Motherboard
A ~750W modular PSU - Please suggest something not too expensive but still a good brand and reliable
Antec 600 Case (I have spare)
Storage - I want something fast and decent. Maybe another WD Black or 2 greens in RAID 0 or something like that - does anyone know where I can get this relatively cheap? I don't want to be paying more for a Green 1TB than I paid for a Black 1TB over a year ago.
And a graphics card with at least the same amount of power as a 5830, preferably more for obvious reasons but not costing more than £100 ex. VAT if possible. (I have an ATI 2600XT in spare that will do for now, but I would MUCH rather a more powerful GPU as friends won't be too happy playing things like BF3 on minimum @ 720P when they could be playing at ultra @ 1080P)

Now... Both machines I want to be as quiet as possible. The server needs to be as near silent as possible as it is almost always left on overnight. The main rig just to be as quest as possible as it sits right next to me. It get's quite loud during some games which isn't usually an issue due to using a decent hi-fi relatively loud, but it is annoying at times.

On the subject of sound levels, I hear that the fans on the H100 are not particularly good. And I may as well upgrade other fans whilst I'm at it. Sooo; what fans do you people suggest I use for both cases, and coolers? The quieter, and better... The better! (Both computers only have stock fans in them. For the Phantom, I'd like to keep the black and white scheme, so if NZXT fans are decent enough, I'll stick with them.


So you can get an idea of what I'm after, I use 4 1080P screens on the main rig: 3 in portrait for eyefinity and then 1 more as extended desktop. That one is then used for the other computer when I need to see it's screen. Gaming is the main use so hence the eyefinity and 7970.

My Storage is also pretty much full. I have had only 1.48GB free on the 2TB I have and about 70GB free on the WD black. My guess, is to buy another 1TB (maybe 2TB) Black drive, and then another 2TB green and shove those in RAID 0. However, I reformat my computer pretty much once every 2 months-ish. So reinstalling everything get's annoying as all hell. I have a backup of my documents etc that I can just shove back in, but I have though that getting a decent external drive might not be a bad idea and then have Steam, Origin and other things installed on that. Is that a good idea? And what is a FAST drive for that?




I think that that is everything I have to ask. Thanks in advance for the information you provide, and sorry for taking up so much of your time reading and contemplating this. Thanks again!

EDIT: One more quick thing to add: I currently use the onboard sound and have no problems with it. Is it worth buying a dedicated sound card or is that just a waste of money if I'm happy with what I have?

EDIT 2: Aaand I think I forgot to mention storage for the server. 1TB fast-ish at minimum.

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Oops. Too late for another edit. Anyways:

EDIT 3: I have added up the approximate value of what I'm looking at and it's around £1500. It's a lot, but it sounds reasonable for what I'm getting. This is including coolers, expensive HDDs and all necessary components. Only thing I didn't include was a new GPU for the server

And last but not least. SSDs. I have 1 SSD and have been VERY impressed with it. Now, due to pricing, I don't intend to get any more. BUT, I can get 2 x 120GBs for just over £230 and I'd say that's probably worth it. Or I could just buy 1 more of the same and RAID 0 them (Though this one is nearly a year old now I think). If I were to splash out EVEN more, what would you suggest? I want reliability AND speed so my guess is Intel?

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i have browsed an article on the i7 3690X. according to the article, which was written in november, it is the fastest desktop cpu in the world, and it costs 1000 usd. they said you will not benefit from it in games or desktop applications. they said it only proves its speed with highly threaded applications, where is beats the 2600k by 50%.

another article, updated friday, says the fastest card is the GTX 680, at 400 pounds.

intel xeons can cost several thousand, i don't know what they are for, i don't think they are for home use. quadro graphics cards also run into super high prices, but they are not aimed at home users either I think.

everyone here seems to advise on buying seasonic and xfx power supplies

what will you be doing with this hardware that is so taxing?
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I use multi-threaded applications, ultra hi-res gaming, HD video rendering, virtual machines, server applications and a number of things that can be greatly improved by more cores and higher clocks. Besides, this system is getting out of date. It's an i7 950 which isn't exactly new anymore. I can't see the point of upgrading a quad-core to a slightly faster quad-core. So I'm much better off (to 'future-proof' the system) buying a near top-of-the-range CPU that will hopefully last me a number of years. I would rather aquire an 8-core that will last for about 5 years minimum and still be decent, but 6 will suffice. And at the price-point, it's not bad.

I am aware the 680 is the best single-gpu card available, but it's not at my resolution. The 2GB RAM and 256-bit bus limit it when it gets this hi-res. At 1080P the 680 annihilates the 7970. At 2560x1600 the 7970 catches the 680. At 3240x1920, the 7970 AT LEAST equals it, and mostly beats it with its 3GB VRAM, 384-bit bus. It's not the GPUs and CPUs I'm interested in really. I've got the 7970 already, and the 3930K is what CPU I'm getting (unless a consumer Intel 8-core is around the corner - which as far as I'm aware, is not) that's sorted.

What I'm more interested in, is the motherboard for the 3930k, the RAM - preferrably in 8GB chips - the cooling and associated sound levels and performance. Also the storage is a necessity at the moment. 4TB just isn't quite enough for me, but I don't want to spend about £300-400 on HDDs that SHOULD cost half that (at most).
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:19 AM   #5
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Post a list by Brand & Model of the components you want to use for a new build.
Some possible issues I see above, aside from being way overkill, 8GB RAM sticks are new and unproven and Patriot RAM is not known for good compatibility. By the time 32GB of RAM is anywhere needed your PC will be obsolete.
For a 750W PSU-SeaSonic-XFX-Corair
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This is why I'm asking. I'm looking for the components that are known to work. THe first thing I said was not to tell me it's overkill, which you still managed to do, and instead to be as useful as possible. I have the intention of using some form of RAMdisk so 32GB could be argued to not be enough.
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We have a list of suggested builds that use nothing but top quality proven compatible components: Want to Build a New Intel or AMD System / Revised 2012 and updated regularly
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They aren't top. THe $1500 intel spec is similar to my current system. I want X79 and I don't see that there.
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All of out builds are top quality compatibility proven and is intended as a guide. You can substitute accordingly to suit your wants.
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Look. Read my OP. Does that relate AT ALL to the lists you linked?

I have a multitude of questions, completely unrelated to things already posted, that I want answered. Could you please answer my questions instead of linking me useless information (to me. For other users, it's good!)?



To try and sum it up a bit:

1. I'm looking at buying an X79 (not in your list) system and I'm not entirely sure what motherboard to go with. Any suggestions, preferrably from experience?

2. For all these fans, please keep in the interest of noise level. I want as quiet as possible systems)
I think I'm going to get a Corsair H100 cooler, can anyone vouch for it or suggest better? And I've heard that the fans it comes with aren't particularly effective, which should I go for?

3. What other fans would be a good idea to put in my stock NZXT Phantom and my stock Antec 600?

4. In my new build, I'm not sure what RAM to go for. I want 32GB DDR3 Quad Channel RAM. However, I want 8GB chips if possible but I don't know what ones are reliable etc.

5. Where can I find relatively cheap storage from (in the UK)? I'm looking for some more HDDs as I'm running low on space and need more. I need fast storage too. I'm looking at getting another 1TB WD Black and a 2TB WD Green. But I'll probably need more. Where can I find it at a reasonable price? Is ebay usually trustable with HDDs?

6. What would you say is a reliable, modular, but not too expensive 650-850W PSU?

7. What sort of graphics cards can I assume will be able to provide similar framerates (or better) as a 5830? Preferrably costing under £100?

Is it that awkward to either say you don't know the answer, or yes, blah blah blah?
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"Summing up a bit" provides us with some actual questions and most all of your questions could be answered in the suggested build list. Hence the link.
1. Asus or Gigabyte for quality/support.Any that fill your requirements/wants.
2. Liquid cooling is no better/quieter than air and there is always the concern for leakage. If you want liquid, the one you linked to is as good as any.
3. One 120mm fan in front & rear is commonly sufficient.
4. 8GB sticks are new and with new comes issues. G.Skill & Corsair are top quality.
5. I'm in the US and not familiar with any UK suppliers. WD Black or blue series are my preference.6. SeaSonic-XFX-Corsair are top quality PSU's. The PSU is the last place you want to attempt to cut expense.
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Thank you. For question 1, what are the main differences between a lot of the similar spec boards? The only thing I can see that is different and makes a difference is that the X79-UD5 has 10 SATA ports which may be handy for me but it's not necessary at the moment. (What would you say are the best OCing boards? Other than ROG or extortionately expensive ones)

2. One of the reasons I want somethign like that, is so that I can ignore what sort of heatsinks come on the RAM. Most of them have big heatsinks and stop you from using my Noctua NH-D14. Would you be able to give me figures or something for perfomance between an NH-D14 and a Corsair H100 and maybe a couple other coolers?

3. With my Antec, there's 1 120MM at the back and 1 200MM on the top (I think) and the NZXT has too many to point them all out. What make of fans would you suggest are best, and which ones are the quietist?

4. Thanks.

5. Understandable

6. I'm aware of this. But I don't really want to be spending £120 on a PSU that's not needing it. I could put my current one in, available for about £60-70. But it's not modular. From what I've found, to get modular costs A LOT more, but I would really like a decent, modular, not greater than £100 PSU.

7. Was I too late at editing and posting? What graphics card can I get for ~£100 that will be decent, but not epic? I don't take notice of the 'lower' end products and focus on the top-end stuff.
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1. I'm not familiar with the X79 Mobo's primarilybecause they're newer tech and I don't touch newer tech for 3 to 6 months or until the inherent issues have been resolved. Selling my customers unproven technology isn't ethical or good for business.
2. Your choice on the cooler.
3. Any more than one 120mm in front & rear is usually too many and can cause turbulence in the case disrupting the desired front to rear airflow.
6. The PSU ios the life of any PC and it should be the primary concern when building any PC. Using low quality/underpowered PSU's is only inviting problems/damage.
£100 should get a good quality PSU but the power required is primarily dependent on the GPU being used. Find the GPU manufacture's suggested minimum power and add 30% to insure sufficient power over time.
7. The GPU would depend on the graphics demands. Do you prefer Nvidia or ATI/AMD chipped GPU's?
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1. That's why I've not yet updated.
2. Hmm. I'll, probably get the H100 then.
3. So the stock in the NZXT Phantom which is 3 x 120MM and 1 x 200MM is too much? And what about something like a HAF X???
6. I intend to go with XFX or one of the good ones. Do you know any respectable brand PSUs that aren't over £100 but are modular? (The GPU power will be no more than a 6970 AT MOST and hopefully more like a 7770 or something along that line sort of power.

7. Well I have always preferred AMD for GPUs until recently. My reason was because Nvidia cost twice as much for the same thing. All the had that AMD didn't was CUDA. But now, with the 680 being as good as the 7970 and costing more or less the same, I have no reason to no go with Nvidia. So I will go with either Nvidia or AMD now. However, I think it might be interesting to go with Nvidia just so I can get experience of using their products and drivers etc too. What would you suggest?
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i bought an msi 6850. it plays bf3 well on medium settings at 1280x1024 and it cost 110 pounds

2TB cost 80 on the site i use Cheap SATA Over 1TB from Western Digital, Seagate & Samsung

i used these once Computer hardware, components & gaming PC retailer Overclockers UK

this site has been recommended to me Computer Hardware - Scan.co.uk

This site does not seem to specialise in ultra high end home computing, maybe it's worth finding a more suitable forum, I may have a look for you later.
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Thanks. Just going to look over those links.

What sort of FPS do you get with the 6850? It'll be playing at 1080P as well.
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here is a benchmark I did on low settings on the most demanding multiplayer map with 64 players over about 15 mins

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/183/dfjdr.png

that is a graph of fps against time

that is with an i3 2120, and the overclocked, power edition of the msi cylone 6850
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So almost always well above 60fps? That's good. I will probably run on ultra with AA turned off. Maybe HBAO too, but I don't know. It looks like it will probably run around 60fps which is good enough for me. The 64 players etc probably won't be an issue as I will have an i7 950 with it and plenty of RAM. And I don't have any issues at the moment. TBH, with my current setup, I should probably use more than one GPU, but it copes. Thanks for that btw.

The sites you linked, I haven't ever heard of the Novatech one. I've bearly heard of scan, but I have. And Overclockers UK, one of my friends uses. Unfortunately, none are cheaper than what I use.
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So almost always well above 60fps? That's good. I will probably run on ultra with AA turned off. Maybe HBAO too, but I don't know. It looks like it will probably run around 60fps which is good enough for me. The 64 players etc probably won't be an issue as I will have an i7 950 with it and plenty of RAM. And I don't have any issues at the moment. TBH, with my current setup, I should probably use more than one GPU, but it copes. Thanks for that btw.

The sites you linked, I haven't ever heard of the Novatech one. I've bearly heard of scan, but I have. And Overclockers UK, one of my friends uses. Unfortunately, none are cheaper than what I use.
which one do you use?
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