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Old 09-02-2016, 11:24 AM   #1
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I don't know about the rest of you but I have a lot of clients who use gaming sites that aren't going to work without Java and I read that Firefox is ending Java support as Chrome already did, at the end of 2016. Personally I use two brokerage sites that will not function without Java and Have been looking around for alternatives but am concerned.

For now we know IE will keep utilizing it but even Microsoft plans to end IE eventually which is why Edge is here and Edge like Safari will not take most of my favorite plugins like Last Pass, All-in-One gestures, Wot and Adblock Plus. I can't expect to stop using my broekerage house and as I said all of their tools require java so I am concerned.

I have been trying to find out if the other Mozilla browsers like Sea Monkey which I am currently using or Waterfox and Pale Moon ones I have used in the past will follow suit.

And then there is the individually accepting Adobe Flash Player manually for every transaction on Firefox which is getting equally annoying and I am afraid the handwriting may well be on the wall there as well. Has anyone tried to use HTML5 to work around it. I tried and cannot figure it out truthfully.

And then there is Opera which uses some of the same plugins but not all, and as many times as I have played with that one, I just plain always wind up uninstalling it real quickly.

I am not sure where all of this is heading but it would appear as if sooner or later I will wake up and realize only half the websites Ie need will run for me.
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The site my wife uses is trying to phase out Java based games and is looking into an alternative to Flash. Of course if safety isn't a concern, older Browser versions are always available. Along with Chrome based Opera, I also use the original Opera 12 which is still maintained by updates every year or so.
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I have been playing with Opera right now and have managed to get all my important plugins there...have imported bookmarks just have to figure how to see them and get the bar setup but this may well do the job!
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I am afraid the handwriting may well be on the wall there as well.
Pretty sure you're right, seems like everyone is threatening to ditch it, certainly YouTube is changing to HTML5.

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Has anyone tried to use HTML5 to work around it?
Can't remember what it was that set me off, but I went on this mission the other day and most of the available info seems to be directed at site builders, the rest doesn't make any sense.

Ok, I didn't know anything about HTML5 but just had a quick look. It looks like its not something that will need a plugin, rather its the newest version of HTML and (presumably) the first version that allows you to embed video into a web page.

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Before HTML5, a video could only be played in a browser with a plug-in (like flash).

The HTML5 <video> element specifies a standard way to embed a video in a web page. Source
So, if I understand it correctly, its not a case of the user downloading something like a plugin to be able to play HTML5 video, its just that those sites that utilise this method, will play video without the need for flash or any other plugin.

Of course, I only came to these conclusions in the last ten minutes so I could be completely wrong.
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I posted this a while back, but have fun testing all your browsers HTML5test - How well does your browser support HTML5?
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Dave you could well be right which is a thought I completely missed and I suppose as long as the sites work it doesn't matter.
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I posted this a while back, but have fun testing all your browsers HTML5test - How well does your browser support HTML5?
odd, reloaded page 4 times, got 3 different results.
Some of the way scores are assigned are kind of strange.
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Well I am definitely liking Opera a lot now!
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Well all of a sudden Opera stopped supporting Java...I posted on the Mozilla Forums and came up with a great solution and that is the ESR Version of Firefox 45 and I believe Sea Monkey will have one at 2.49 ESR version. They will hold the NPAPI plugin which holds Java and a few older plugins some folks need ESP (Extended Support Release) and there is a plan for version 52 in ESR. This version only updates to ESR versions so that prevents a screwup with auto updates.
If I didn't like Charles Schwab Brokerage software so much, and none of it will work without it, I wouldn't care. I also have quite a few customers that use Pogo game site and again that requires java as does my bank website and I don't feel like changing banks because a few "wussies" are afraid of infections, something I have never had. I mean all this fuss over possible infections when all we need to do is teach our clients how to use a computer!
https://community.webroot.com/t5/Sec...SR/td-p/256803
Oh and if you want it to work and continue to you have to use 32 bit version of FF.
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The "real" OPera is what I like best, not the Crome based one. Still available at: Download Opera 12.14 for Windows - OldVersion.com
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Aren't you afraid as its old about security Rick?
I actually liked the new one.... but I can't believe Java support suddenly ended with no announcement.
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I actually liked the new one.... but I can't believe Java support suddenly ended with no announcement.
I think the "bad guys" forgot about Old Opera.
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the reason I always liked Opera it it was different than netscape IE or any of the other browsers.
Most browsers today the choice pretty much becomes 'What skin do you want?' If you can compromise one, you have them all.
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I never much liked old Opera but new one I did until I realized it was just repackaged Chrome. You can make some interesting changes with hundreds of theme changes in most Mozilla browsers.
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That's what I mean, with the majority of browsers it's theme/skin changes. Some tweak security, others work on speed but beneath those minor changes, they are pretty much the same browsers. No matter how many trimmings you put on a hot dog, it's still a hot dog.
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I should have recommended Opera Version 12.18. Recent security update is detailed here:
Surprise: Opera 12.18 has been released - gHacks Tech News
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Rick does 12.18 still allow NPAPI which means Java and Flash Player work?
I have tried to find out and can't seem to see that at all.
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NPAPI upgraded to 23.0.0.162 yesterday and everything still works. Just to be sure I had my wife switch to old Opera (12.18) after I read this thread and she played Flash and Java games on Pogo.
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No 12.18 for me, maybe its not been released in the UK yet. Tried check for updates in 12.14 and it says I have the latest version.

Btw, does anyone know if you can remove the search part of the address bar like you can in FF?
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Thanks Rick.
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