Designing a website

**leicster25** · 12-07-2005, 01:04 AM

Hello, I would like to design my own website. I have used Frontpage 98 before. Does anyone know a better website IDE. I've heard Dreamweaver is very good but expensive. Is there a freeware version of this type of program that anyone can recommend ?

Thanks,
Dave.

**Grove** · 12-07-2005, 01:21 AM

You can create a website in Notepad. Yes, Dreamweaver is a top choice but like you said it is fairly expensive.

Are you looking to manually code or click buttons and the code appears ?

**leicster25** · 12-07-2005, 05:52 AM

Hello,

I would prefer to use an IDE rather than just note pad. I know with notepad I would learn alot about what is under the covers so that has its advantages but I think that would be too much luike hard work. So I would prefer a decent IDE, just wondered if there was any shareware around you could recommend ? I'm just looking to develop a simple website at first then expand it to use a database in the background later on to bring in data stored in that.

Thanks,
Dave.

Volt-Schwibe · 12-07-2005, 05:56 AM

i can think of a dozen excellent web builders, comparable to dreamweaver, if you use linux.

for windows, they are all limited ability, or they expire.

not much good is free for windows.

**leicster25** · 12-07-2005, 07:04 AM

How would I go about doing it then .... in Notepad ???

There must be something better surely ?

Cheers,
Dave

Volt-Schwibe · 12-07-2005, 07:24 AM

to start with, you would wanna read a few simple tutorials, and then, after you scanned them once, bookmark them, so you can refer to them at anytime.

then, go to a few webiste you like the look of, and take a peek at their source code.

then you'll wanna open a notepad, and make a header and so on, and then turn that into a template, save as new webpage.html

then, anytime you wanna make a new page, you open that template, and change it as needed and save with a new name.

you will probably want to print out a list of all the <tags> and keep it with you.

**Spatcher** · 12-07-2005, 02:55 PM

The best site I know of to learn web building is

http://www.w3schools.com

v-six · 12-07-2005, 03:07 PM

It sounds like what you're looking for is a WYSIWYG environment. (What you see is what you get). Be warned, it's actually WYSIRWYGOAGD, what you see is relatively what you get, on a good day. I've never used it myself, but the best freeware WYSIWYG software out there is NVU.
http://www.nvu.com/

**Spatcher** · 12-07-2005, 03:08 PM

Hey I might have to try that out Six, thanks

v-six · 12-07-2005, 03:09 PM

welcome henry.

**Grove** · 12-07-2005, 05:46 PM

I never heard of NVU but I think I'll recommend that one on from now.

v-six · 12-07-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grove4Life

I never heard of NVU but I think I'll recommend that one on from now.

I'd only recommend it for people looking for WYSIWYG free or cheap. Dreamweaver is a better program (except for the price tag). The thing that makes NVU so good isn't necessarily the quality of the program, but the lack of quality of all the other freeware programs of its kind. It's like a B student getting an A in a class because no one else bothers showing up. Unless you're on linux... then I'd say NVU would be the first choice (it was made for linux) other than hand coding everything..

**Grove** · 12-07-2005, 06:17 PM

Oh right. Thanks for that short explanation

**gamerman0203** · 12-14-2005, 01:29 PM

Knowing the code, even as simple as HTML, can help out quite a bit. I've never used NVU, but I know for a simple one, Download Netscape v.7 and it has a 'composer' WYSIWYG editor.

**Spatcher** · 12-14-2005, 07:20 PM

Well so does the Mozilla Suite browser.

I don't really like that Nvu...... I figured you could point, click, type etc. It doesn't happen like that.

12-07-2005, 01:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
leicster25 I helped the forums. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 136 OS: Windows XP Professional	Designing a website Hello, I would like to design my own website. I have used Frontpage 98 before. Does anyone know a better website IDE. I've heard Dreamweaver is very good but expensive. Is there a freeware version of this type of program that anyone can recommend ? Thanks, Dave.

12-07-2005, 01:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
Grove Professor/Moderator, TSF Design School Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 2,383 OS: Windows Vista SP2 32bit	You can create a website in Notepad. Yes, Dreamweaver is a top choice but like you said it is fairly expensive. Are you looking to manually code or click buttons and the code appears ? __________________ ========================================== Get Help: TSF Security Forum \| HijackThis \| MB's 5 Step Process Get Clean: AdAware SE \| Spybot S&D \| CWShredder \| Ewido \| CleanUp! Get Protected: SpywareBlaster \| SpywareGuard \| Windows Updates \| IE-SpyAd If TSF has helped you, please consider making a donation to help keep the board running.

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Volt-Schwibe Asst. Manager, Automotive Forums; HJT Trainee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Behind you, watching you as you type. Posts: 7,372 OS: Click "My System" to view details My System	to start with, you would wanna read a few simple tutorials, and then, after you scanned them once, bookmark them, so you can refer to them at anytime. then, go to a few webiste you like the look of, and take a peek at their source code. then you'll wanna open a notepad, and make a header and so on, and then turn that into a template, save as new webpage.html then, anytime you wanna make a new page, you open that template, and change it as needed and save with a new name. you will probably want to print out a list of all the <tags> and keep it with you. __________________ <signature> TSF is funded by our Admin's pocket, care to help? Power Tip: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. New Members: Creating a single new thread in the correct section is the best way to assure your thread will receive a reply. </signature>

12-07-2005, 02:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Spatcher Henry Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,484 OS: Mac OSX	The best site I know of to learn web building is http://www.w3schools.com __________________ JohnThePilot: Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon (a nation without a language is a nation without a heart) John Butler Trio: Go take a step outside, see what's shakin' in the real world - Good Excuse Paul Kelly: Just add a dollop of tomato sauce for sweetness and that extra tang - How to Make Gravy

12-07-2005, 05:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
leicster25 I helped the forums. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 136 OS: Windows XP Professional	Hello, I would prefer to use an IDE rather than just note pad. I know with notepad I would learn alot about what is under the covers so that has its advantages but I think that would be too much luike hard work. So I would prefer a decent IDE, just wondered if there was any shareware around you could recommend ? I'm just looking to develop a simple website at first then expand it to use a database in the background later on to bring in data stored in that. Thanks, Dave.

12-07-2005, 07:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
leicster25 I helped the forums. Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 136 OS: Windows XP Professional	How would I go about doing it then .... in Notepad ??? There must be something better surely ? Cheers, Dave

12-07-2005, 03:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
v-six Manager Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gardiner, NY Posts: 2,076 OS: OS X for mac, XP Pro for PC	It sounds like what you're looking for is a WYSIWYG environment. (What you see is what you get). Be warned, it's actually WYSIRWYGOAGD, what you see is relatively what you get, on a good day. I've never used it myself, but the best freeware WYSIWYG software out there is NVU. http://www.nvu.com/ __________________ mysql> --i-am-a-dummy

12-07-2005, 03:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Spatcher Henry Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,484 OS: Mac OSX	Hey I might have to try that out Six, thanks __________________ JohnThePilot: Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon (a nation without a language is a nation without a heart) John Butler Trio: Go take a step outside, see what's shakin' in the real world - Good Excuse Paul Kelly: Just add a dollop of tomato sauce for sweetness and that extra tang - How to Make Gravy

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v-six Manager Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gardiner, NY Posts: 2,076 OS: OS X for mac, XP Pro for PC	welcome henry. __________________ mysql> --i-am-a-dummy

12-07-2005, 05:46 PM	#11 (permalink)
Grove Professor/Moderator, TSF Design School Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 2,383 OS: Windows Vista SP2 32bit	I never heard of NVU but I think I'll recommend that one on from now. __________________ ========================================== Get Help: TSF Security Forum \| HijackThis \| MB's 5 Step Process Get Clean: AdAware SE \| Spybot S&D \| CWShredder \| Ewido \| CleanUp! Get Protected: SpywareBlaster \| SpywareGuard \| Windows Updates \| IE-SpyAd If TSF has helped you, please consider making a donation to help keep the board running.

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12-14-2005, 07:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
Spatcher Henry Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,484 OS: Mac OSX	Well so does the Mozilla Suite browser. I don't really like that Nvu...... I figured you could point, click, type etc. It doesn't happen like that. __________________ JohnThePilot: Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon (a nation without a language is a nation without a heart) John Butler Trio: Go take a step outside, see what's shakin' in the real world - Good Excuse Paul Kelly: Just add a dollop of tomato sauce for sweetness and that extra tang - How to Make Gravy