Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml

wriggly_b · 04-04-2009, 11:26 AM

I have some unwanted characters in the top left of my webpage(s) they are 'п»ї'. When I view the source from the explorer I can see the characters, but when I go back to the editor to delete them I can't see them!!
The URL is http://www.wiihabilitation.co.uk
How do I get rid of the п»ї ??
Thanks very much

**dm01** · 04-04-2009, 11:36 AM

Your </head> needs to be moved to just below </script>.
This may have unwanted effects, but this is technically correct.

wriggly_b · 04-04-2009, 11:51 AM

no joy I'm afraid. I have tried several combinations - as I notice I have 2 </script>
I'm not really a coder and rely heavily on the editing software which isn't offering very much help at the moment - so if you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate it!!
Thanks

maretard · 04-04-2009, 08:51 PM

Hmm... that's very odd... are you SURE you can't find the following line in your code?

HTML Code:

<div id="container">п»ї<div id="header">

If you're absolutely sure that line does not show up anywhere in your code, can you post the code so we can help you?

wriggly_b · 04-05-2009, 01:21 AM

The following is from the shtml file: Then Below is the includes/menu.inc code (i have highlighted where it is in the code).
Thanks!!! - My only wonder was - does it have anything to do with the charset????

------------------------------------------------------------------
shtml file up to the content
------------------------------------------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251" />
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

<script src="js/jquery.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

<script src="js/main.js" type="text/javascript"></script>

<title>Wii-Habilitation</title>

<style>
img
**
border: none;
}
/* */#preview
**
position: absolute;
border: 1px solid #ccc;
background: #333;
padding: 5px;
display: none;
color: #fff;
}
/* */</style>
</head>
<script type="text/javascript">

var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www.");

document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));

</script>

<script type="text/javascript">

try **

var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-7315899-1");

pageTracker._trackPageview();

} catch(err) **}</script>
<body>
<div id="container">
<div id="content">
<div id="left">
<h1>
Games</h1>

------------------------------------------------------------------
includes/menu.inc
------------------------------------------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type>
<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18259"></HEAD>
<BODY><div id="header">
<div id="header_text">
</div>
<ul>
<li><A href="home.shtml">Home</a>
<li><A href="therapy.shtml">Therapy</a>
<li><A href="games.shtml">Games</a>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://natstar.moodledo.co.uk/mod/forum/view.php?f=291">Forum</a> 
<li><A href="resources.shtml">Resources</a>
<li><A href="mailto:enquiry@wiihabilitation.co.uk?subject=Wii-Habilitation enquiry">
Contact Us</a></li>
</ul>
<div id="logo_w2" style="Z-INDEX: 100; POSITION: absolute; TOP: 109px; LEFT: 23px">
<div align="right">
<div id="logo_w2" style="Z-INDEX: 100; POSITION: absolute; WIDTH: 225px; HEIGHT: 86px;
TOP: 15px; LEFT: 448px">
<p align="right">
<strong><font size="2">For those involved in the use of the Nintendo Wii as part of
therapy or rehabilitation</font></strong></p>
</div>
</div>
<strong><font size="7">Wii-Habilitation</font></strong>
</div>
</div></BODY></HTML>

wriggly_b · 04-05-2009, 03:35 AM

done it!!!
i have played around with the charset and replaced

<META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type>

with

<META content="text/html; charset=windows-1251" http-equiv=Content-Type>

and it works.....
Thanks to those who replied... :o) muchly appreciated!

maretard · 04-05-2009, 10:41 AM

Good job for getting it working, although I for one don't know why the charset would introduce that garbled stuff into your code...

Oh well, perhaps dm01 will have more input on this one.

**dm01** · 04-05-2009, 11:02 AM

Of course! That's a byte-order mark (BOM) that the browser has mis-interpreted as display text. Unicode uses them for a reason I don't fully understand. They are incredibly annoying for those who can't track down the cause.

Windows-1251 isn't exactly web standard, but if it works, I wouldn't change it. If you really want complete cross-compatibility, use UTF-8:

HTML Code:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" />

UTF can be used either with or without BOM, please make sure you select without BOM in your text editor. Otherwise, the problems will return.

maretard · 04-05-2009, 11:05 AM

Whoa. Did not know that.

So what specific character was the BOM that the browser misinterpreted in his code?

**dm01** · 04-05-2009, 11:26 AM

Those three that he was asking about.

Stay away from straight Unicode, or this may well happen to you. Use UTF-8 without BOM. ANSI has problems of its own.

04-04-2009, 11:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
wriggly_b Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 OS: xp	Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml I have some unwanted characters in the top left of my webpage(s) they are 'п»ї'. When I view the source from the explorer I can see the characters, but when I go back to the editor to delete them I can't see them!! The URL is http://www.wiihabilitation.co.uk How do I get rid of the п»ї ?? Thanks very much

04-04-2009, 11:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
dm01 Moderator: Design Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond, B.C.; Canada Posts: 1,663 OS: Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] SP3 \| Debian \| Windows 7 Ultimate (MSDNAA I <3 you) My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Your </head> needs to be moved to just below </script>. This may have unwanted effects, but this is technically correct. __________________ For some reason this doesn't work. Working on replacement or something. Validate your Markup Validate your CSS Notepad++ Please use [HTML], [PHP], and [CODE] when posting code or markup. I do not help by Private Message or e-mail. If for some reason I have over-looked a reply to a thread that I have previously replied to, then send me a message.

04-04-2009, 11:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
wriggly_b Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 OS: xp	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml no joy I'm afraid. I have tried several combinations - as I notice I have 2 </script> I'm not really a coder and rely heavily on the editing software which isn't offering very much help at the moment - so if you have any other suggestions I would really appreciate it!! Thanks

04-04-2009, 08:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
maretard Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 79 OS: Windows XP Home Edition, SP3 My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Hmm... that's very odd... are you SURE you can't find the following line in your code? HTML Code: <div id="container">п»ї<div id="header"> If you're absolutely sure that line does not show up anywhere in your code, can you post the code so we can help you? __________________ I'm ridin' dirty. Oh baby, I'm yellow and nerdy.

04-05-2009, 01:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
wriggly_b Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 OS: xp	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml The following is from the shtml file: Then Below is the includes/menu.inc code (i have highlighted where it is in the code). Thanks!!! - My only wonder was - does it have anything to do with the charset???? ------------------------------------------------------------------ shtml file up to the content ------------------------------------------------------------------ <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251" /> <link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> <script src="js/jquery.js" type="text/javascript"></script> <script src="js/main.js" type="text/javascript"></script> <title>Wii-Habilitation</title> <style> img ** border: none; } /* /#preview * position: absolute; border: 1px solid #ccc; background: #333; padding: 5px; display: none; color: #fff; } /* /</style> </head> <script type="text/javascript"> var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www."); document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E")); </script> <script type="text/javascript"> try * var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-7315899-1"); pageTracker._trackPageview(); } catch(err) }</script> <body> <div id="container"><!--#include file="Includes/menu.inc"-->** <div id="content"> <div id="left"> <h1> Games</h1> ------------------------------------------------------------------ includes/menu.inc ------------------------------------------------------------------ <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18259"></HEAD> <BODY><div id="header"> <div id="header_text"> </div> <ul> <li><A href="home.shtml">Home</a> <li><A href="therapy.shtml">Therapy</a> <li><A href="games.shtml">Games</a> <li><a target="_blank" href="http://natstar.moodledo.co.uk/mod/forum/view.php?f=291">Forum</a>  <li><A href="resources.shtml">Resources</a> <li><A href="mailto:enquiry@wiihabilitation.co.uk?subject=Wii-Habilitation enquiry"> Contact Us</a></li> </ul> <div id="logo_w2" style="Z-INDEX: 100; POSITION: absolute; TOP: 109px; LEFT: 23px"> <div align="right"> <div id="logo_w2" style="Z-INDEX: 100; POSITION: absolute; WIDTH: 225px; HEIGHT: 86px; TOP: 15px; LEFT: 448px"> <p align="right"> <strong><font size="2">For those involved in the use of the Nintendo Wii as part of therapy or rehabilitation</font></strong></p> </div> </div> <strong><font size="7">Wii-Habilitation</font></strong> </div> </div></BODY></HTML>

04-05-2009, 03:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
wriggly_b Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 OS: xp	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml done it!!! i have played around with the charset and replaced <META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type> with <META content="text/html; charset=windows-1251" http-equiv=Content-Type> and it works..... Thanks to those who replied... :o) muchly appreciated!

04-05-2009, 10:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
maretard Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 79 OS: Windows XP Home Edition, SP3 My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Good job for getting it working, although I for one don't know why the charset would introduce that garbled stuff into your code... Oh well, perhaps dm01 will have more input on this one. __________________ I'm ridin' dirty. Oh baby, I'm yellow and nerdy.

04-05-2009, 11:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
dm01 Moderator: Design Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond, B.C.; Canada Posts: 1,663 OS: Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] SP3 \| Debian \| Windows 7 Ultimate (MSDNAA I <3 you) My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Of course! That's a byte-order mark (BOM) that the browser has mis-interpreted as display text. Unicode uses them for a reason I don't fully understand. They are incredibly annoying for those who can't track down the cause. Windows-1251 isn't exactly web standard, but if it works, I wouldn't change it. If you really want complete cross-compatibility, use UTF-8: HTML Code: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" /> UTF can be used either with or without BOM, please make sure you select without BOM in your text editor. Otherwise, the problems will return. __________________ For some reason this doesn't work. Working on replacement or something. Validate your Markup Validate your CSS Notepad++ Please use [HTML], [PHP], and [CODE] when posting code or markup. I do not help by Private Message or e-mail. If for some reason I have over-looked a reply to a thread that I have previously replied to, then send me a message.

04-05-2009, 11:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
maretard Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 79 OS: Windows XP Home Edition, SP3 My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Whoa. Did not know that. So what specific character was the BOM that the browser misinterpreted in his code? __________________ I'm ridin' dirty. Oh baby, I'm yellow and nerdy.

04-05-2009, 11:26 AM	#10 (permalink)
dm01 Moderator: Design Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Richmond, B.C.; Canada Posts: 1,663 OS: Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] SP3 \| Debian \| Windows 7 Ultimate (MSDNAA I <3 you) My System	Re: Unwanted 'п»ї' text in header - shtml Those three that he was asking about. Stay away from straight Unicode, or this may well happen to you. Use UTF-8 without BOM. ANSI has problems of its own. __________________ For some reason this doesn't work. Working on replacement or something. Validate your Markup Validate your CSS Notepad++ Please use [HTML], [PHP], and [CODE] when posting code or markup. I do not help by Private Message or e-mail. If for some reason I have over-looked a reply to a thread that I have previously replied to, then send me a message.