Hilary Clinton

bry623 · 02-27-2006, 12:59 PM

**40sondacurb** · 02-27-2006, 05:28 PM

based on the reasons I've heard from "swing voters" as to why they vote for who I'd say he's right. I heard one guy say he was leaning towards bush because he was a "man's man"

. How is Bush a mans man and war crime Kerry not? Just because Connecticut native Bush likes to dress up and play cowboy for vacation doesn't make him a mans man.

Tumbleweed36 · 02-27-2006, 06:00 PM

Hi,

Obviously, someone with some common sense wrote that bit of advice. I think the point is right on.

yustr · 02-28-2006, 08:19 AM

I agree. Not because she's a woman. Not because she's a liberal. But mostly because she's been way too vilified to have any chance in the current sound-bite-rules-all climate.

When people are not able to see past the spin and lies (that are so common place in campaigns now that they hardly warrant mention by the cowards who have the gall to call themselves journalists) there’s no way she could avoid being painted by others to the extent that any message she might have would be drowned in the flood.

What would they say? One example: “She’s for socialized medicine”. Why? Because she helped hold OPEN hearings way back when to shed some light on what she saw as a pressing issue. Well guess how much has been done since. Diddly Squat! And are we better off for ignoring it for 15 years? No, but we do feel good about ourselves for shouting her down.

I am not a supporter. In fact, for one of the reasons given in the article, I would fight against her. That reason being – 24 or 28 years of having only two families in the WH (maybe make that 36 if baby brother Jeb would follow) is inherently un-American.

I just despise the lack of thoughtful, civil discourse that masquerades as political campaigns. (Here’s an idea: the candidates hold a debate. One topic. The moderator only keeps time. No silly questions. It lasts one hour. Hold 10 of these on the top 10 topics selected by the public. That’s it. No other campaigning allowed. No other press coverage. No other TV ads. Let these guys continue to do their day jobs. Oh yeah, only one rule: The first one to raise his voice to interrupt the other looses.

And you have to prove you watched before you can vote... )

Tumbleweed36 · 02-28-2006, 09:45 AM

Hi,

A point of view that I believe in. In my opinion, this has a lot to do with whether Hillary will ever be very influential with the American public.

Bill Clinton has a certain amount of class in his demeaner and presentation whether you like him or not. The record will show that I have no respect for the guy, think he is a jerk, and I do not personally like him.

That however, does not change the fact that he embodies a certain amount of charm and charisma when he is out in the public. He comes across as a class act (even if we think he is not) to the American people. He has that famous gravitaus line embodied in his presentation.

Hillary on the other hand has none of that. She is brittle, shrill, and her presentation is never pleasant. She has no automatic bonding with the public because she does not portray herself as trustworthy.

It has nothing to do with whether she is or not, she portrays the image that she is not. Her public demeaner is not genuine, rather sneaky appearing, and it is simply disingenious at best. To put it very bluntly, she has no class. She can not win with that image and I think it will continue to stick with her. She can also move to the center, but one can easily see that she is way to the left if you listen to her.

I agree that the Clinton and Bush families have had enough time in Washington. We need new blood and a new name in the White House. We need a real choice this time around and I am sick of Republicans and Democrats that play this game of portraying themselves as something they are not. That is my two cents worth.

ebackhus · 03-01-2006, 09:17 AM

Vote EB in 2008! A sw33t rig in every game room and T3's for every baby!

bry623 · 03-01-2006, 09:24 AM

Dude, you have to be 35.

ebackhus · 03-01-2006, 09:58 AM

USA Today
March 1st, 2006

Congress called an immediate session to change the age for presidential candidates from 35 to just 20 in light of young intellectuals in the country. While many feel that allowing people who may not even have jobs to run for president is foolish, others embrace the possibility of having a younger chief executive.

yustr · 03-01-2006, 11:26 AM

This just in from AARP:

On March 1st, 2006 Congress in, their infinite wisdom, changed the age requirement for President - from 35 years to 20. We at AARP fee that this is a blatant attempt to ensure the election of one EB to that austere and important office. The AARP has nothing against 20 year olds or other whipper snappers and certainly nothing against EB in particular. In fact we think he’s rather cute in his sailor shorts and bow tie. He does have strange hair – but at least he has some.

We do however feel that this is a slight against maturity and will fight it with all of our combined strength. (Of course our combined strength is minuscule and any protests have to be done by 5:00 PM because that's when Golden Girls comes on.) We therefore urge all AARP members to try to remember what you were like at 20 and decide if this is a good thing for America. The Editorial Board did just that and decided that the expression “The older I get the better I was” is apropos to this situation.

Would somebody please remind me what I’m writing about?

bry623 · 03-01-2006, 12:40 PM

Go back to sleep unitl Matlock comes on.

**Fox** · 03-01-2006, 01:19 PM

I totally agree with you, bry, as shocking as that might sound.

I don't think she will gain the support she needs for the same reasons that the article pointed out.

And I don't trust her either. Every time I see video footage of her it seems like she has an alienating aura about her.

02-27-2006, 12:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	Hilary Clinton Here is a good opinion letter __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her

02-27-2006, 05:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,770 OS: xp	based on the reasons I've heard from "swing voters" as to why they vote for who I'd say he's right. I heard one guy say he was leaning towards bush because he was a "man's man" . How is Bush a mans man and war crime Kerry not? Just because Connecticut native Bush likes to dress up and play cowboy for vacation doesn't make him a mans man. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush Last edited by 40sondacurb : 02-27-2006 at 10:19 PM.

02-27-2006, 06:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 14,167 OS: XP Professional	Hi, Obviously, someone with some common sense wrote that bit of advice. I think the point is right on. __________________ ----------

02-28-2006, 08:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,872 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	I agree. Not because she's a woman. Not because she's a liberal. But mostly because she's been way too vilified to have any chance in the current sound-bite-rules-all climate. When people are not able to see past the spin and lies (that are so common place in campaigns now that they hardly warrant mention by the cowards who have the gall to call themselves journalists) there’s no way she could avoid being painted by others to the extent that any message she might have would be drowned in the flood. What would they say? One example: “She’s for socialized medicine”. Why? Because she helped hold OPEN hearings way back when to shed some light on what she saw as a pressing issue. Well guess how much has been done since. Diddly Squat! And are we better off for ignoring it for 15 years? No, but we do feel good about ourselves for shouting her down. I am not a supporter. In fact, for one of the reasons given in the article, I would fight against her. That reason being – 24 or 28 years of having only two families in the WH (maybe make that 36 if baby brother Jeb would follow) is inherently un-American. I just despise the lack of thoughtful, civil discourse that masquerades as political campaigns. (Here’s an idea: the candidates hold a debate. One topic. The moderator only keeps time. No silly questions. It lasts one hour. Hold 10 of these on the top 10 topics selected by the public. That’s it. No other campaigning allowed. No other press coverage. No other TV ads. Let these guys continue to do their day jobs. Oh yeah, only one rule: The first one to raise his voice to interrupt the other looses. And you have to prove you watched before you can vote... ) __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry In Vino Veritas Last edited by yustr : 02-28-2006 at 10:19 AM. Reason: Added an idea I had over lunch...

02-28-2006, 09:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 14,167 OS: XP Professional	Hi, A point of view that I believe in. In my opinion, this has a lot to do with whether Hillary will ever be very influential with the American public. Bill Clinton has a certain amount of class in his demeaner and presentation whether you like him or not. The record will show that I have no respect for the guy, think he is a jerk, and I do not personally like him. That however, does not change the fact that he embodies a certain amount of charm and charisma when he is out in the public. He comes across as a class act (even if we think he is not) to the American people. He has that famous gravitaus line embodied in his presentation. Hillary on the other hand has none of that. She is brittle, shrill, and her presentation is never pleasant. She has no automatic bonding with the public because she does not portray herself as trustworthy. It has nothing to do with whether she is or not, she portrays the image that she is not. Her public demeaner is not genuine, rather sneaky appearing, and it is simply disingenious at best. To put it very bluntly, she has no class. She can not win with that image and I think it will continue to stick with her. She can also move to the center, but one can easily see that she is way to the left if you listen to her. I agree that the Clinton and Bush families have had enough time in Washington. We need new blood and a new name in the White House. We need a real choice this time around and I am sick of Republicans and Democrats that play this game of portraying themselves as something they are not. That is my two cents worth. __________________ ----------

03-01-2006, 09:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
ebackhus Asst. Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 12,731 OS: WinXP Pro SP3 My System Blog Entries: 25	Vote EB in 2008! A sw33t rig in every game room and T3's for every baby! __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

03-01-2006, 09:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	Dude, you have to be 35. __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her

03-01-2006, 09:58 AM	#8 (permalink)
ebackhus Asst. Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 12,731 OS: WinXP Pro SP3 My System Blog Entries: 25	USA Today March 1st, 2006 Congress called an immediate session to change the age for presidential candidates from 35 to just 20 in light of young intellectuals in the country. While many feel that allowing people who may not even have jobs to run for president is foolish, others embrace the possibility of having a younger chief executive. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

03-01-2006, 11:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,872 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	This just in from AARP: On March 1st, 2006 Congress in, their infinite wisdom, changed the age requirement for President - from 35 years to 20. We at AARP fee that this is a blatant attempt to ensure the election of one EB to that austere and important office. The AARP has nothing against 20 year olds or other whipper snappers and certainly nothing against EB in particular. In fact we think he’s rather cute in his sailor shorts and bow tie. He does have strange hair – but at least he has some. We do however feel that this is a slight against maturity and will fight it with all of our combined strength. (Of course our combined strength is minuscule and any protests have to be done by 5:00 PM because that's when Golden Girls comes on.) We therefore urge all AARP members to try to remember what you were like at 20 and decide if this is a good thing for America. The Editorial Board did just that and decided that the expression “The older I get the better I was” is apropos to this situation. Would somebody please remind me what I’m writing about? __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry In Vino Veritas

03-01-2006, 12:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	Go back to sleep unitl Matlock comes on. __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her

03-01-2006, 01:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Fox Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	I totally agree with you, bry, as shocking as that might sound. I don't think she will gain the support she needs for the same reasons that the article pointed out. And I don't trust her either. Every time I see video footage of her it seems like she has an alienating aura about her. __________________ Antec Neo Power 500W, ABIT IP35-E, Intel E2180@2.66Ghz, Corsair XMS2 2x1GB DDR2-800, PNY 8800GT, 320GB Seagate * lazy college student alert *- If I've inadvertently ignored a thread, please Let me know about it Have I helped you solve your problem? Donate to Techsupportforums Klart Skepp!