British soldiers beating Iraqi teenagers

mimo2005 · 02-12-2006, 08:24 AM

This story is all over the UK newspapers today ......

The newspaper said the footage was filmed during street riots in Basra in 2004 by a corporal who can be heard laughing and encouraging his colleagues in a running commentary.

"We are aware of these very serious allegations and can confirm they are now the subject of an urgent Royal Military Police investigation," a Ministry of Defence spokesman said.

"We condemn all acts of abuse and brutality and always treat any allegations of wrongdoing extremely seriously."

According to the News of the World, the video shows the troops dragging four young protesters off a street and into an army compound.

The cameraman is said to be heard laughing and saying: "Oh yes! Oh Yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys. You little f***ers, you little f***ers. Die. Ha Ha."

The tape shows a minute's worth of the attack - with 42 blows counted, according to the newspaper. The footage also allegedly shows a British soldier twice kicking a dead Iraqi in the face.

Textual source: Telegraph

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1609113

Video :
http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx

ps : This video makes all the previous accused Iraqi beatdowns from saddams officials onto it's prisoners look obsolete!

**bruiser** · 02-12-2006, 09:09 AM

Were the Brits throwing people into shredders?

**40sondacurb** · 02-12-2006, 09:53 AM

is ti real this time? I remember that picture fiasco. That voice quality of the cameraman sounded a little too good.

**Fox** · 02-12-2006, 10:28 AM

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Were the Brits throwing people into shredders?

Oh, so you think they were justified in beating up little kids?

You'd have to have no soul.

mimo2005 · 02-12-2006, 11:41 AM

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Arab satellite television stations, including Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya, replayed the footage throughout the day

it means in the next following days more people are willing to die or blow up are heading toward the iraqi border to infiltrate and try to help the insurgents , they believe they are doing the good thing by doing so !

**bruiser** · 02-12-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox

Oh, so you think they were justified in beating up little kids?

You'd have to have no soul.

Merely pointing out that Saddam did worse than the Brits. If anyone can find where the Brits are throwing people into shredders, then I'll shut up.

**Fox** · 02-12-2006, 02:30 PM

Wow I was dubious there for a second as to whether you were really serious.

It's a shame that people allow their jaded political views to obfuscate the seriousness of the abuses that are going on in Iraq.

newhouse1390 · 02-12-2006, 04:02 PM

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It's a shame that people allow their jaded political views to obfuscate the seriousness of the abuses that are going on in Iraq.

Fox, I do not think you are fully aware of the stresses that soldiers from any country endure while in combat. What these soldiers did is obviously not appropriate. But instances like these are exaggerated by a media that is so obsessed with tearing apart a war-time administration that they blow instances like these out of proportion. These instances are not occurring everyday. Where do you get this theory? Have you witnessed this first hand? My guess is that you heard this theory of abuses going on in Iraq by the media, or perhaps the DNC talking points. I too believe it is a shame that someone like yourself could allow their jaded political views to blow things, such as this incident, out of proportion hoping to tear apart a military that is working hard to protect our freedoms here at home, and secure them to millions more.

**40sondacurb** · 02-12-2006, 04:12 PM

The military needs to do more to train troops on what acting a fool like that does to the country.

How is the media over there taking it? I imagine it's airing non stop on BBC 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

**Fox** · 02-12-2006, 05:55 PM

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Fox, I do not think you are fully aware of the stresses that soldiers from any country endure while in combat.

Oh I'm sorry. On second thought, I guess beating children really takes the edge off. I fully endorse it.

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What these soldiers did is obviously not appropriate. But instances like these are exaggerated by a media that is so obsessed with tearing apart a war-time administration that they blow instances like these out of proportion.

Out of proportion? This is just one event that happened to be captured on film. Are you assuming that this is the only time this has happened?

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These instances are not occurring everyday. Where do you get this theory? Have you witnessed this first hand? My guess is that you heard this theory of abuses going on in Iraq by the media, or perhaps the DNC talking points. I too believe it is a shame that someone like yourself could allow their jaded political views to blow things, such as this incident, out of proportion hoping to tear apart a military that is...

What the hell are you thinking? I wasn't the one that politicised this by suggesting we turn a blind eye to these events simply because Saddam is out of power. DNC talking points... uh yeah, like I care what the democrats think about anything. And I never suggested that they were happening every day. But to turn a blind eye to this as a stepping stone to some kind of greater good that will never come is just a joke.

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...working hard to protect our freedoms here at home, and secure them to millions more.

That sentence makes you sound like a tool.

bry623 · 02-13-2006, 07:41 AM

It would be interesting to see what happened before the video was shot. The Nuremberg trial would make no sense without knowing what happend at Auschweitz.

As far as kicking a dead Iraqi in the face, is it really a big deal?

Ultimately, if these teenagers are completely innocent and got beaten up, then it's wrong.

mimo2005 · 02-13-2006, 08:22 AM

One person has been arrested after the release of a video apparently showing British soldiers savagely beating Iraqi teenagers in 2004, the Ministry of Defense said Monday.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...name_page.html

dai · 02-13-2006, 10:14 AM

from the footage i saw on the news these same kids were slingshotting stones at them
i thought their reply was restrained compared to what mine would have been in a war zone

**40sondacurb** · 02-13-2006, 11:46 AM

You think they'll turn them over the international courts?

newhouse1390 · 02-13-2006, 12:30 PM

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Oh I'm sorry. On second thought, I guess beating children really takes the edge off. I fully endorse it.

My next sentence states that what occured here is obviously not appropriate.

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Out of proportion? This is just one event that happened to be captured on film. Are you assuming that this is the only time this has happened?

You cannot tell me that these are happening everyday because of the simple fact that you do not know, for you to assume blindly that these are happening on a daily basis is irresponsible on your part. I know this sort of thing may have happened once before and the appropriate action was taken.

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What the hell are you thinking? I wasn't the one that politicised this by suggesting we turn a blind eye to these events simply because Saddam is out of power. DNC talking points... uh yeah, like I care what the democrats think about anything. And I never suggested that they were happening every day. But to turn a blind eye to this as a stepping stone to some kind of greater good that will never come is just a joke.

You did indeed make this debate turn political by recklessly suggesting that this sort of incident occurs everyday. You say now that this isn't what you said, "It's a shame that people allow their jaded political views to obfuscate the seriousness of the abuses that are going on in Iraq." You use the word "abuses" and by this you are suggesting that these events are occuring more than just this instance. Please tell me more of the abuses that are going on in Iraq.

bry623 · 02-13-2006, 01:14 PM

Unfotuantely, we are not receiving footage of everything that happens. So when something happens that isn't positive, the media plays it up to appeal to liberal base and whips them into a fenzy. I haven't seen any pictures of schools being built, infrastructures being repairs, or any other positive thing in Iraq. Therefore, one could conclude that if I only see video of bad things happening, and never see video of good things happening, then the U.S. and coalition forces must only be bad. But that is faulty logic and I feel truly sorry for the Cindy Sheehans of the world who aren't intelligent enough to formulate their own opions of the war and feel the need to breed hostility and incivility to people over it.

02-12-2006, 08:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,770 OS: xp	British soldiers beating Iraqi teenagers This story is all over the UK newspapers today ...... The newspaper said the footage was filmed during street riots in Basra in 2004 by a corporal who can be heard laughing and encouraging his colleagues in a running commentary. "We are aware of these very serious allegations and can confirm they are now the subject of an urgent Royal Military Police investigation," a Ministry of Defence spokesman said. "We condemn all acts of abuse and brutality and always treat any allegations of wrongdoing extremely seriously." According to the News of the World, the video shows the troops dragging four young protesters off a street and into an army compound. The cameraman is said to be heard laughing and saying: "Oh yes! Oh Yes! You're gonna get it. Yes, naughty little boys. You little f*ers, you little fers. Die. Ha Ha." The tape shows a minute's worth of the attack - with 42 blows counted, according to the newspaper. The footage also allegedly shows a British soldier twice kicking a dead Iraqi in the face. Textual source: Telegraph http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=1609113 Video : http://astream.com/links/notw/together_300.asx ps : This video makes all the previous accused Iraqi beatdowns from saddams officials onto it's prisoners look obsolete! __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005 : 02-12-2006 at 08:31 AM.*

02-12-2006, 09:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,770 OS: xp	is ti real this time? I remember that picture fiasco. That voice quality of the cameraman sounded a little too good. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

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02-12-2006, 04:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,770 OS: xp	The military needs to do more to train troops on what acting a fool like that does to the country. How is the media over there taking it? I imagine it's airing non stop on BBC 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

02-13-2006, 07:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	It would be interesting to see what happened before the video was shot. The Nuremberg trial would make no sense without knowing what happend at Auschweitz. As far as kicking a dead Iraqi in the face, is it really a big deal? Ultimately, if these teenagers are completely innocent and got beaten up, then it's wrong. __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her

02-12-2006, 09:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,648 OS: xp	Were the Brits throwing people into shredders?

02-13-2006, 08:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,770 OS: xp	One person has been arrested after the release of a video apparently showing British soldiers savagely beating Iraqi teenagers in 2004, the Ministry of Defense said Monday. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...name_page.html __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

02-13-2006, 10:14 AM	#13 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 42,034 OS: vista 32x ultimate retail	from the footage i saw on the news these same kids were slingshotting stones at them i thought their reply was restrained compared to what mine would have been in a war zone __________________

02-13-2006, 11:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,770 OS: xp	You think they'll turn them over the international courts? __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

02-13-2006, 01:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,551 OS: winxp pro sp2	Unfotuantely, we are not receiving footage of everything that happens. So when something happens that isn't positive, the media plays it up to appeal to liberal base and whips them into a fenzy. I haven't seen any pictures of schools being built, infrastructures being repairs, or any other positive thing in Iraq. Therefore, one could conclude that if I only see video of bad things happening, and never see video of good things happening, then the U.S. and coalition forces must only be bad. But that is faulty logic and I feel truly sorry for the Cindy Sheehans of the world who aren't intelligent enough to formulate their own opions of the war and feel the need to breed hostility and incivility to people over it. __________________ When you fear Sarah, you attack her and try destroy her