mimo2005

The city of Calabasas, Calif., has passed one of the nation's toughest antismoking laws, including restrictions on smoking in outdoor public spaces, the Los Angeles Times reported Jan. 21.

The city has banned smoking in outdoor public spaces when other people are present. Nonsmokers who ask smokers to put out their cigarettes but are refused can file a complaint with the city attorney's office.

http://www.jointogether.org/sa/news/...578921,00.html

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bry623

Sorry to politicize this one mimo, but I sure hope that the citizens of this particular city get to vote on it. I do not feel that city, state, and federal governments have the right to tell the population what they can and can't do. Columbus city council passed a smoking ban. The citizens put a repeal on the ballot, but the ban held in place.

I would not support a ban that was passed by the state legislature and signed by the governor. That being said, I would vote for a statewide smoking ban, passed by the people. It is nice not to have to be asked for my smoking preference. I just wish they would better enforce the distance from doorwaus and entres. All of the smokers at my work huddle right by the door when they smoke and it sucks having to walk through it.

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yustr

What's the difference? Isn't Ohio a republican democracy like the rest of the US?

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bry623

The difference for me is if a legislative body passes an oridnace or law banning something, then I am against it. If the people add a state constitution amendment, then I would be for it. I used to smoke, I don't anymore. I understand both sides, I just think it should be left up to the people, not the government.

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mimo2005

i wonder what are the actif percentage of the smoker population of the country ...is it around 15 % ?

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My point is probably best made by the first Republican president, when he said: ... that government of the people, by the people, for the people, ...

Each three word phrase carefully selected:
of the people = made up of citizens not an oligarchy.
by the people = the people grant authority to the government not the other way around.
for the people = to serve the needs of all people.

There should be no difference between the "people" and their government. The people are the government. I think we've lost that ideal (if we ever really had it?). Maybe it's time to tug on the reigns Gosh, I'm sounding down right Republican...aggggggggggggggggggggggggggh

Oh one more thing. This thread is officially

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DumberDrummer

I agree with yustr.

The government is supposed to be made up of the people, and somewhere along the line we started separating it into the "citizens" and the "government", which is really kind of weird.

The "for the people" is starting to morph into "for the corporations"

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Even a libertarian can rationalize this. Secondhand smoke is harmful- People shouldn't have to tolerate someone blowing smoke in their faces. And this isn't an outright ban. If there's a smoker standing next to a group of nonsmokers, and they're all okay with it, then there's no problem there.

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mimo2005

Exhaust fumes from cars cause "harmful" effects , and industrial factories. stop driving when their are people present in the street ....
smoking is harmful
and so does mcdonalds

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bry623

But someone else eating McDonalds' has no effect on my health. And most non smokers do not want a smoker puffing near them.

Did yustr say less government?? Now he sounds like me.

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mimo2005

Blacks who smoke up to a pack a day far more likely than whites who smoke similar amounts to develop lung cancer

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...1040/LIFESTYLE
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/hea...orld-headlines

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That argument doesn't hold water, and here's why:

Unlike smoking, which has absolutely no purpose, the combustion engine has many, and due to the practically insignificant number of "non-users", i.e. people who have never ridden in, driven, or used anything with a combustion engine, it is illogical to put a ban like that into effect. Also, with the advent of the catalytic converter, exhaust fumes are less harmful to the human body, while they still pose a major threat to the environment. That is why we have the EPA.

The Amish are the only people I can see being opposed to this. I lived in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania for the first 15 years of my life, and I never saw a single one in an area where they would be bothered by exhaust fumes. I think it's safe to say they have their own living spaces, and don't generally cross those lines, save for a few exceptions.

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i know ..i know ..was bringing some spices to the topic

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I agree it is a harmful toxin. But have you ever heard of taking it outside? Or have you seen the no smoking signs? Just take your smokes outside. There is no law required here, this is a perfect example of the government over regulating our country. We do not need a law that says we can’t smoke, as long as your are outside it should be perfectly legal. It should be the business’s right to stop you from smoking on their property, not the governments.

For the record I am not a smoker and cannot stand it when people smoke around me. While I may be utterly disgusted I can simply not choose to visit that place because I know that there are going to be people smoking there.

bry623

They can have designated smoking areas downwind of the non smokers.

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DumberDrummer

I shouldn't have to not go somewhere just because I don't want smoke blown in my face as I enter/leave. Don't tell me to just "not go", unless its to like a smoker's bar or something.

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[quote]I shouldn't have to not go somewhere just because I don't want smoke blown in my face as I enter/leave. Don't tell me to just "not go", unless its to like a smoker's bar or something.
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So we need a law that tells Sally's sea shell store is not allowed to let people smoke in her store any more? It is your right not to go there but it is the business owners right to allow persons to smoke in there. Next they are going to tell us that we can't smoke in our own homes. This is nonsense.
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