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Old 12-27-2005, 09:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Legalization (I'm not talking about marijuana but hardcore drugs) is bogus, and in fact increases crime. It is a failure, and shows that the legalization argument holds little merit. A country like Singapore, which deals with drug related crimes quite harshly, has less crime and less drugs. Legalization would lead to an increase in drug usage, and a crumbling of law enforcement. By applying the basic concepts of economics, legalization would flood the market with supply, and cause usage to skyrocket.

I call myself libertarian often, but on this issue I am ont one. At all. This has nothing to do with rights. People don't have a right to rob a store. Just as people don't have a right to abuse illegal substances.

I'm more lenient on marijuana however... and personally I don't have a problem with it. Just keep it in private use and/or rock concerts.
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Old 01-04-2006, 08:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Not saying that I want drugs legalized, but Giancarlo, you may want to look at Prohibition....
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Legalization (I'm not talking about marijuana but hardcore drugs) is bogus, and in fact increases crime. It is a failure, and shows that the legalization argument holds little merit. A country like Singapore, which deals with drug related crimes quite harshly, has less crime and less drugs. Legalization would lead to an increase in drug usage, and a crumbling of law enforcement. By applying the basic concepts of economics, legalization would flood the market with supply, and cause usage to skyrocket.

I call myself libertarian often, but on this issue I am ont one. At all. This has nothing to do with rights. People don't have a right to rob a store. Just as people don't have a right to abuse illegal substances.

I'm more lenient on marijuana however... and personally I don't have a problem with it. Just keep it in private use and/or rock concerts.

As far as the usage argument - I agree, there would be a short term increase . However, once it becomes the norm, the usage would drop back to acceptable levels - much like alcohol use does with the average person. There is a spike in the late teens / early twenties, then a drop off as priorities change and wisdom increases.
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As far as the usage argument - I agree, there would be a short term increase . However, once it becomes the norm, the usage would drop back to acceptable levels - much like alcohol use does with the average person. There is a spike in the late teens / early twenties, then a drop off as priorities change and wisdom increases.
I actually disagree with that assessment and find it to be untrue. Alcohol usage is quite high in this country. And alcohol isn't even close to as damaging as many heavy narcotics (I'm not talking about marijuana here). So we can't legalize these heavy narcotics.

And what about the prohibition? This is a completely different time period.
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Old 01-13-2006, 09:19 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't know about bodily, but alcohol has the tendency to hurt loved ones more than the person abusing it. But the major difference between alcohol and hard drugs is that self control has no bearing when using, say heroin. Heroin's a one way street with very little room to turn around. It's those with little self control that are at risk for abusing alcohol.

Anyway, although it would conflict with my ideals, I think legalizing hard drugs would be a bad idea- it would create a dealing population that would control massive amounts of capital, and all of this concentrated in highly urbanized areas. The people who don't want to have any part of it would leave, and those areas would turn into slums like we've never seen before.
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:40 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Whaddya mean what about prohibition?

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These are two unrelated things. First off, cocaine legalisation for example led to an enidemic of its use in Colombia. Hard drugs illegalization is wrong and immoral.
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I don't think DD was arguing otherwise, unless I'm mistaken.
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... I think legalizing hard drugs would be a bad idea- it would create a dealing population that would control massive amounts of capital, and all of this concentrated in highly urbanized areas....
Think "Big Tabacco" and reevaluate. Nicotine is a drug! Powerful. Addictive. Damaging. Legal. You don't see pushers on the street corners (unless you consider Panji in the 7-11 a pusher). No you see them in the Board Rooms and on Wall Street and in Congress. So you're right. Maybe it's not a good idea afterall.
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