The Govenator's Ballot Measures

**40sondacurb** · 11-09-2005, 08:08 AM

what was he thinking? You might as well run an inisiative to regulat oil in texas.

None of his measures were bi partisan, not one. It was close though. If he just made them a little more universal to dems and repubs some might have passed.

He should have left the unions alone.

bry623 · 11-09-2005, 08:10 AM

And to make matters worse, I got a taped measure from him Sunday to gget me to vote for OHIO Issue 4, which failed 70% to 30%. I wonder how you say one term governor in German?

**Resolution** · 11-09-2005, 08:37 AM

I knew they should have voted for Gary Coleman.

bry623 · 11-09-2005, 08:40 AM

What you talikng about Willis?

**40sondacurb** · 11-09-2005, 11:38 AM

we wanted to believe him, we really did, but then he had to go after the unions and we knew he was just another republican.

**myquitehead** · 11-09-2005, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

what was he thinking? You might as well run an inisiative to regulat oil in texas.

None of his measures were bi partisan, not one. It was close though. If he just made them a little more universal to dems and repubs some might have passed.

He should have left the unions alone.

I don't understand why anyone who actually read the full text of these props would vote against them, unless you are one of the people losing power as a result.

They had nothing to do with demo vs repub.

Most liberal papers in California endorsed all of them. All the libby papers stated that they were very logical propositions, that would only help. Why would liberal papers support Arnold? Does anyone pay attention in this country? The mob mentality ftw.

Why would people elect Arnold to change the way California works if they aren't going to review his ideas with an open eye? Every single argument against these props that I've heard, was brought up by someone who conveniently omitted, or didn't know certain facts from the props. Prop77 in particular, the main beef ppl had was "who's going to pick these judges," WHEN IT STATED VERY CLEARLY IN THE FREAKING PROP ITSELF. Read the stupid thing plz? gg nub.

Leaving unions alone is a terrible idea. They have too much power. They spent an enormous amount of money opposing these props, and their ads were just "bad props, bad!! they kill babies!! vote no if you hate government!!!" because they knew that if they actually said what the props were doing, they would pass. And not many people know that the proposition most directly affecting the MEMBERS of the unions only receieved about 20% of the money spent. Because we all know unions are only about the members... cough.

Arnold is just about the only genuinely good person left in any sort of office, he doesn't care what party you are in unless you're a girly man. He and Tom McClintock could get California out of this craphole... But no... for some reason California voted to stagnate.

newhouse1390 · 11-09-2005, 02:18 PM

California is a very liberal state and I think the demonstrated it yesterday. Nothingis new.

**40sondacurb** · 11-09-2005, 02:39 PM

he moved to fast with them. Things like this should have came up in a second term. Plus a lot of people were mad tht e raised tuision prices (myself included).

And what's wrong with going after over powered unions? he didn't go after big busines at the same time. You can't attack one party's main financial contributor and do nothing to yours without coming off as a little corrupt.

**myquitehead** · 11-09-2005, 02:51 PM

Why can't things just be about the facts. Actually a lot of my friends hate Arnold because he cut out their free pass to college. But this shouldn't affect your ability to see that: politicians should not choose who votes for them.

There goes that emotional voting again.

And this wouldn't stop in California. If we took the lead and set up fair districts so that each area of the state actually got who the PEOPLE voted for, the trend would spread to other states.. like Texas, where the reverse is true. The other side controls Texas, and they have a similar problem, where officials basically can't lose their jobs. Thus, this issue not being dem vs rep. It's about fixing what's broken.

Who cares who is in charge as long as things run smoothly?? anyone?? If Gray Doofus had done a stellar job, and Bustamante wasn't a radical who wanted to annex California into Mexico, I wouldn't have been inclined to vote the way I did. And now that Arnold is here, noone's letting him do his job.

**40sondacurb** · 11-09-2005, 10:06 PM

I bet at lest 2 of his measures would have passed if he didn't screw with school funding his first few months.

11-09-2005, 08:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,687 OS: xp	The Govenator's Ballot Measures what was he thinking? You might as well run an inisiative to regulat oil in texas. None of his measures were bi partisan, not one. It was close though. If he just made them a little more universal to dems and repubs some might have passed. He should have left the unions alone. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush Last edited by 40sondacurb : 11-09-2005 at 08:09 AM.

11-09-2005, 08:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,377 OS: winxp pro sp2	And to make matters worse, I got a taped measure from him Sunday to gget me to vote for OHIO Issue 4, which failed 70% to 30%. I wonder how you say one term governor in German? __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

11-09-2005, 08:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,377 OS: winxp pro sp2	What you talikng about Willis? __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

11-09-2005, 11:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,687 OS: xp	we wanted to believe him, we really did, but then he had to go after the unions and we knew he was just another republican. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

11-09-2005, 02:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,687 OS: xp	he moved to fast with them. Things like this should have came up in a second term. Plus a lot of people were mad tht e raised tuision prices (myself included). And what's wrong with going after over powered unions? he didn't go after big busines at the same time. You can't attack one party's main financial contributor and do nothing to yours without coming off as a little corrupt. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

11-09-2005, 08:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
Resolution TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,091 OS: FreeBSD/Win98/2000/XP	I knew they should have voted for Gary Coleman.

11-09-2005, 02:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,040 OS: Windows Server 2003	California is a very liberal state and I think the demonstrated it yesterday. Nothingis new.

11-09-2005, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
myquitehead TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 570 OS: XP Pro Sp1	Why can't things just be about the facts. Actually a lot of my friends hate Arnold because he cut out their free pass to college. But this shouldn't affect your ability to see that: politicians should not choose who votes for them. There goes that emotional voting again. And this wouldn't stop in California. If we took the lead and set up fair districts so that each area of the state actually got who the PEOPLE voted for, the trend would spread to other states.. like Texas, where the reverse is true. The other side controls Texas, and they have a similar problem, where officials basically can't lose their jobs. Thus, this issue not being dem vs rep. It's about fixing what's broken. Who cares who is in charge as long as things run smoothly?? anyone?? If Gray Doofus had done a stellar job, and Bustamante wasn't a radical who wanted to annex California into Mexico, I wouldn't have been inclined to vote the way I did. And now that Arnold is here, noone's letting him do his job.

11-09-2005, 10:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,687 OS: xp	I bet at lest 2 of his measures would have passed if he didn't screw with school funding his first few months. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush