PurpleSky

Eventually all countries will have these moments as rich gets richer and poor gets poorer and discriminations rise, people forget how to respect and get greedier everyday and get advantage of the poor, brutally. It will start with ethnic groups as expected... France ( never is ) is not innocent ofcourse but it is sad when you think this will happen one day no matter where you are...

It is getting out of control in France. Ofcourse there is a looooong story behind all.

Reuters : http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...ANCE-RIOTS.xml

Fox

I don't know; I don't think the U.S. can really relate with this one. Even though we have a small percentage of people controlling a large amount of money, our middle class is enormous, and at the moment, there really isn't that much resentment of the upper class.

What these people need is not revolution, but sympathetic representation in their governments. Or a swift kick in the ***. Nothing rules like fear, but that doesn't really make for a happy populace.

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mimo2005

hey purplesky , i am following this riots for a while .
The difference between canada/usa and France is HUGE about immigration .
France should learn how to put quotas and give some jobs to their minorities (government jobs : police ,firefighters etc etc etc )
I was in france there three times as tourists and visit friends , i can tell you the immigrants were brought in the fifties to help rebuild the country from the war devastation and rebuild the economy , but was never fully integrated in their life as real french , they created "ghettos" .
They never figure out what to do with their immigrants since then , their laws are weak , very weak compared to the north amrican countries .

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Video of french riots :

http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Paris_riots_4289.html

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bruiser

I heard something today that got my attention. I heard a couple of guys talking about the riots in France, and one guy was apparently an economist because he was spewing all kinds of numbers out. He said in the US, since the seventies, there had been over 80 million jobs created. In all of Europe, in that same time frame, approximately 4 million jobs had been created. If that's the case, no wonder there are problems with unemployment, and the other things that go with it.

Chevy

Quotas? This is one of the biggest mistakes you an make. It prevents an entity (governmental or otherwise) from actually adressing racial issues. It's a bandage that provides a false sense of security. Who says the demographic of any one profession is going to match that of society?

The same goes for giving special consideration to women or minority owned small businesses. Every small biz needs help to survive - a business owned by a wonam or minority is no more needy than one owned by a white male.

/soapbox

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Tumbleweed36

Hi,

I know there is a fine line here, but "special consideration" should have no place in any society. The thing that must be addressed is "equal opportunity" for all.

When equal opportunity is prevelant, then the special consideration would not be needed if the group that wants special consideration were willing to sieze that opportunity. Unfortunately, in our society (because of government giveaways), there are many who are not willing to sieze that opportunity. It is just easier for them to take from the government without working. Welfare is an entity that is out of control thanks to the overzealous politicians who want to "buy" votes with our tax dollars.

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Amen tumble !!!

Why do you think Bush was flirting with the idea of a partial opening of the border with mexico / to find workers to work the low paying jobs the americans wont !! I say the people on welfare should only get matchin funds if they are stuck in a low pay job i.e. you go to work make 200.00 a week >> of course you cant live on that >> welfare give them 200.00 until they move up the ladder >>> but not just do nothing and get a "liveable" welfare check >> people should not be able to 100% sustain themselves on welfare.

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Just a point of fact: In the USA, welfare, as you probably define it, accounts for a very small fraction of the government budget - less than 6%. Social Security accounts for about 23% and Medicare = 12%. Defense = about 25%.

The votes they are buying are from seniors and the defense industry, not the Republican stereotypical "Welfare Momma" (even eliminating 100% of them would not make any significant impact on "Welfare" spending).

Now back to the discussion of the riots in France...

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bry623

Years of socialism at its finest. How many other socialistic countries will soon follow the French into chaos.

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Chevy

The national level is only one small part. Take a close look at the local level: for example, New Orleans had about 60% of it's residents on welfare.

AFA the riots go ... And this probably won't garner me any points ... IF you emmigrate to a country, it is not the responsiblity of that nation's government to make you feel welcome, or to go out of their way to help you blend in. It's your responsibility to act according to the law. If you feel that the conditions are bad enough to riot, then pack up and leave. Obviously, you are not capable of being a productive member of society.

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bry623

Amen Brother!

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PurpleSky

It has no relation with socialism and was France ever socialist ? It is the most " nothing " regime in the world. Even Somalia or Angola has a better political structure even an african tribe.

And in France the fine line is : It is a welfare issue. They are poor. They were used. Just like the slavery in the history. Todays slavery and the slavery that everyone is/was against in the history is still alive up and running indeed. World population is working for masters. The only difference is todays slaves drive cars, eat better food and independent in their little time frame.

As the natural resources running low day by day and the level between poor and rich is getting sharper, starting from the poorest people will start asking questions and start getting nouxious with the answers. Then who would you ask first if you need someone to come with you to fight ? The people you know. So in that case it would be the ethnic group you belong. And when it is about races there are zillion propaganda material that would creat and boost the hatred and anger. And if you think of how dirty the political arena is some people would be so happy to see you in big troubles and in that case you would see other forces countries supporting it. All started with a car crash. No relation. Not a reason to riot ? Who made it climb up and become a riot ?

These are the indications of an infection and the weakest get sick first. It is France now. I wonder what EU feels about all that ?

Tumbleweed36

Hi,

I will give you all the points you want, because you are exactly correct on this one. Chalk up an extra ten points for Chevy and his point that is well taken.

Someone said that it is a small part of the federal budget. However I don't call 6% of the Federal budget an insignificant amount. Then, you drain the state taxpayers for the numbers like Chevy mentioned. We ARE NOT talking about an insignificant amount of money.

Remember, the same people who contribute that 6% are the same people who support the state programs that fund the 40% that are/were on welfare in New Orleans. Many of those people on welfare refuse to work or do anything to better themselves. You could never convince me that 40% o the population in New Orleans was unable to work or were all old and could not work. They sure were able to move fast when the looting started and darn, they were even able to push those carts of stolen merchandise like TV sets, etc. We don't owe people like that a darn dime.

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bruiser

France certainly has embraced a socialist form of government, and did it years ago. Much of Europe has done the same.

bry623

Francois Mitteran was the biggest socialist of all. One step up from the communists? Remeber 1986? We wanted to slap Libya around and France said no, you may not use our airspace as a cut through. We accomplished our objectivies, and realized who our real friends were. The camraderie we esablished from the Revolution to Vietnam crumbled that day and Americans will never view the French the same again.

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Chevy

We also lost 2 F-111B's because of their position (during the return trip. Both were damaged, but would have made it back to England had they been able to cross France. The trip via the Med-Gibralter-North to England was too much.)

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