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**linderman** · 11-03-2005, 03:45 PM

Newhouse / the pres presented "evidence and classified at that if my memory serves me correctly / evidence which as far as I am concerned was coerced and twisted to make it fit his puzzle. This is why Scotter Libby outed Joe Wilson's wife / because Joe Wilson was trying to demonstrate that atomic weapons techonology was not coming from Nigeria of which he had first hand knowledge. As far as who left the dogs lose on him / we will never know / one thing is for sure nothing is done in that white house without either approval or equilivant.

As to my statement about toppling goverments / when a nation topples a goverment (coup) and inserts a puppet then you expect that there will be a segment of the population that was supportive of that leader / the end result is you have just recruited soem terrorists.

I have an uncle that was a chief warrant officer flying huey slicks in vietnam / he told me many stories where they had to beat the dog snot out of the south Viet troppers to get them off their ships and into the fight / do you really think they were fighting for something they believed in / sounds just like what I have heard about of the new IRAQ security forces !!

As far as undermining our troppers at war / I have no such goals or interest >> as vehemently stated I have always supported our troops and get very heated when they dont get what they need to get the job done / why is it ok to have haliburton supply and buidl everything in IRAQ without any competive bidding / yet when the troppers need chest armor it must go thru "the process" and procurement ???? when a reserve "boot" invented the device for jamming IED bombs / why arent they yet installed on every damn vehicle in the theatre of operations ?????

Why is that every person who questions why our pres made war in IRAQ and demand to see into the way the "evidence" was sifted thru and presented is called a LIBERAL / I am no damn liberbal nor am I a blind drummer beater who just points his muzzle where ever I am told to without question. Maybe they should have an equaling antagonist label for them!!

I bet england labeled our founding fathers as terrorists

Dont you ever question why the 1991 gulf war was so accepted; supported and rightly so by this country ?? old George did it right !! thats why he formed a coalition of other nations to help fight and make SURE it was justified by the presence of such a coalition. Or are all the other countriesd wrong for not participating and we are the only rightous one.

You totally misunderstand my views / I feel our military is a precious instrument of our nation / much like the heart is to our body / I dont believe it should be used to alter or modify other countires beliefs or actions / I dont believe it should be used to protect puppet goverments put in place to help our glutenous nation devour oil / it distrubs me deeply to see all the pictures of the Bush family including old george sooo cozy with the Saudi's on his personal ranch. Do you see any pictures of John McCain cuddling the Royal Dictators ?????

I am however very respectful of your commitment to defending this country / wether our country is right or wrong or manufactured our new enemies by our own interventions and black ops /

I am by NO means an advocate of pulling out / we have as a nation made the decision to occupy a country >> it is the responsibility of this nation to finish the job regardless of how many soldiers it will consume, nor difficulty, irregardless to financial burden

yet your theories of weapons being given to Syria / lets do them too !!! is damn scary would you really want to take on the entire middle east ??? because whether you wish to admit it or not the middle east is a hot bed of america haters and the more sons and daughters of the middle east you kill the more terrorists you will make / with that attitude what sets us apart from any dictator that just takes whatever he wants by killing the deffenders ????

As for the justification based upon Sadam's killing of his own people with Mustard gas over 20 years ago / why didnt we do anything about it then / or better yet after the gulf war in 1991 when we had convinced the Kurds to attmept an overthrow of Sadam why didnt we help the Kurds when it failed and they were getting slaughtered by the thousands as they fled to the upper most ruins of northern Iraq as sadam butchered them with tanks and air craft / yet the US carriers were told to "stand down"

Our nation would be far better served if we choose presidents with the proper successful military background / a president who has seen and participated in the field where the "cordite burns" then he will know first hand ~~ war is not a tool for plunder or policy making

insted we have choosen a draft dodger and a silver spoon kid ~~ who has been given the OK sonny you can just walk thru the military without even doing your job !! thats who has been running our nation for the last 14yrs !!!

You almost sounded like one of the crusaders from days of the holy wars / the common soldier was told he was fighting to spread christianity and cleanse the world of the impure religions / the kings of those countries were not fighting for christianity LOL they were fighting for plunder, land and expansionism / but its hard to get a soldier to lay down his life and watch his buddy or son die in an effort to make the king richer / it was more noble and rightous to fight for "god"

my only interest is making sure my friends and relatives are not fighting for oil or making more enemies while we do the dirty work for the Saudi's or defending the ever expanding occupations and settlements of the Israelis

newhouse1390 · 11-03-2005, 04:53 PM

Our nation would be far better served if we choose presidents with the proper successful military background / a president who has seen and participated in the field where the "cordite burns" then he will know first hand ~~ war is not a tool for plunder or policy making

You say that you respect the miliary service members yet you critisize the very people who have served. President Bush served in the National Guard, that is a fact and you cannot take that away from him. To say that it was his rich family the kept him from war would be speculation and you do not have the facts to back it up. So do not go there and do not critisize someone who has served.

As to my statement about toppling goverments / when a nation topples a goverment (coup) and inserts a puppet then you expect that there will be a segment of the population that was supportive of that leader / the end result is you have just recruited soem terrorists.

If you haven't heard the Iraqi's are voting in an election to find their leader we will leave Iraq when it is peaceful and we will let the Iraqi's decide who they want their leader to be.

Newhouse / the pres presented "evidence and classified at that if my memory serves me correctly / evidence which as far as I am concerned was coerced and twisted to make it fit his puzzle.

Democrats on the senate intel committee saw the same intelligence that the president did to say that he twisted it again you have no "evidence". All you can do is speculate, you don't know!!

Supporting our troops yet not supporting the war?? How can thes two things co-exist they contradict themselves.

Dont you ever question why the 1991 gulf war was so accepted; supported and rightly so by this country ?? old George did it right !! thats why he formed a coalition of other nations to help fight and make SURE it was justified by the presence of such a coalition. Or are all the other countriesd wrong for not participating and we are the only rightous one.

When it comes to defending our country, our federal government should have autonomy in determining what is in the best interest of our country internationally, as opposed to relying on organizations such as the United Nations or other countries, even our allies, to make our decisions for us.

You totally misunderstand my views / I feel our military is a precious instrument of our nation / much like the heart is to our body / I dont believe it should be used to alter or modify other countires beliefs or actions / I dont believe it should be used to protect puppet goverments put in place to help our glutenous nation devour oil / it distrubs me deeply to see all the pictures of the Bush family including old george sooo cozy with the Saudi's on his personal ranch.

We are fighting terrorists in Iraq. This was self defense and now since we have defeated the government who supported terror we are going to install a free society instead of leaving it open for a dictorial rule, unless of course you want to put a puppet in there and again let him threaten the world with WMD's!

As a service member I can tell you that personally, it hurts me to see some people like you attack the cause while my friends are still in harms way. I unlike many soliders want to return to Iraq, I want to see that if in the 8 months I've been back has that country changed drastically?

I want ask you a question...If you were George W. Bush right now what would do about Iraq?

Just out of curiosity who did you vote for in the '04 election?

**linderman** · 11-03-2005, 06:01 PM

If I were GW / I would stay committed and keep plugging along >> we have no other choice its like shooting at a bear with a 22 caliber rifle >> once you get started you got to finish

who I voted for / in 2000 I voted for Bush In 04 I voted for Kerry / due to my distaste for Bush >> not because Kerry was a better choice >> I was very disappointed that John McCain was suuported in stead of GW / but I see why now >> the conservatives would not be able to control McCain as they are GW

Are your serious ????? you really think GW completed his military service in the same manner as the rest of his officer class ?????

History will be a much better judge of evaluating the outcome of the IRAQ situtation. We will just have to wait and see ?????
I sure would feel alot better if the Iraqi's would fight for themselves as hard and as committed as the "terrorists"

What ever happened to the Sha of Iran ??????? you remember him he was a classic US puppet / how often do you think you can install a goverment like that and not end up with the people of that country hating the US who backed him ???? It was a majority of that country's population that participated in a revolution to eject him

newhouse1390 · 11-03-2005, 06:49 PM

Here are the facts:
In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, the commander of the Texas Air National Guard, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing." On October 1, 1973, Bush was honorably discharged from the Texas Air National Guard and transferred to the inactive reserves in Denver, Colorado. He was discharged from the Air Force Reserve on November 21, 1974.

A great and honorable service record if you ask me. It so funny to me to hear you go on and on about how you have the utmost respect for our military but you exploit for political purposes a fine persons military record. You should be ashamed! I cannot take you seriously when you say you have the respect for our military when you try to take away someones military service. Pitty on you!

I was very disappointed that John McCain was suuported in stead of GW / but I see why now >> the conservatives would not be able to control McCain as they are GW.

May I point out that Charles Shumar said
"...she (hariet miers) clearly lacked the knowlege of constitional law to be placed on americas high court." I am assuming that you mean "control" to be how GW "gave into the radical right wing", am i right in that assumtion? It would seem as though there is a double standard here hmm... George Bush gave into radical right wing....last time i checked Charles Shumar was not on the right.

I sure would feel alot better if the Iraqi's would fight for themselves as hard and as committed as the "terrorists"

I agree with you here it would make me fell better too. There will be a day when Iraqi's will fight for themselves. History will give the United States credit for this war, as long as we don't elect a leader who will abandon the Iraqi's that would make this seem like a mirror to Vietnam.

**linderman** · 11-03-2005, 07:15 PM

I think you misunderstood my intentions when I said our country needs to elect presidents that have served successfully in the military and have seen & smelled the "cordite burning" thats battle my friend !!!! in other words seen the REAL ramifications of war.

John McCain has REALLY been in the military

Colin Powell has too

G Bush Sr. = real pilot in war

Reagan

One officer I hold in very high regard is the new (assignement) marine corp general recently installed I believe to repalce the Joint Chief of Staff that just retired (Meyers) anyhow / that general has pictures of fallen soldiers whom HE sent into battle / now thats a commander that accepts responsibility and does not take war lightly or its conquenses without justification. That is presidential material.

I apoligize for not having such blind faith in our commander in chief or at times our goverment / but its hard to have such faith when you see your pres repeatedly smoozing with the royal family of saudi arabia (home of 14 of 19 terrorists I believe it was ?????) and a vice-president that supposedly was CEO of Haliburton ,

Real honest leaders dont allow the looks of impropriety to cast a shadow upon them.

Are you really suggesting Harriet Miers was the right choice for supreme court ??????

you completly miss where I stand / I like to avoid the far left with equal determination as I avoid the far right ~~ I like the middle of the road candidates as long as they bring honor, integrity and morals with them(cabinet) to the white house

newhouse1390 · 11-03-2005, 08:16 PM

Are you really suggesting Harriet Miers was the right choice for supreme court ??????

Absolutly not. She did not qualify in my mind as supreme court material. My point is that if dems like shumar are willing to say that GW gave into the right wing that is wrong because the left wing has opposed her too. Judge Alito has the judicial expierence required to be on the high court and is a true scholar. Harriet Miers is I'm sure a great women but she wasn't the right one for the job.

John McCain has REALLY been in the military (so has anyone who has been honorably discharged.)Colin Powell has too

G Bush Sr. = real pilot in war

Regan

I respect all of these mens commitments to our armed service. They certaily deserve it, as well as Georg W. Bush. No matter if you are in the reserves or that actice military we all play a part in protecting our liberties. You should appreciate Gw's service not critisize or minimize it. That is wrong and is a personal attact on all members of the reserve past and present.

I think you misunderstood my intentions when I said our country needs to elect presidents that have served successfully in the military and have seen & smelled the "cordite burning" thats battle my friend !!!! in other words seen the REAL ramifications of war.

I have been in combat. George Bush has not but he certainly contributed to the United State military suring that crucial time in our history. To argue against that minimizes and reserve members service and contributions to any war effort.

**linderman** · 11-04-2005, 03:58 AM

I have been in combat. George Bush has not but he certainly contributed to the United State military suring that crucial time in our history. To argue against that minimizes and reserve members service and contributions to any war effort.

I dont believe that serving in the miltary with a honorable discharge is background enough for the presidency. Just like Harriet Miers isnt qualified for the supreme court.

Judge Salito will be well received by your extreme conservative base after all I dont doubt that why GW & company propped up Harriet Miers to begin with to pave the way for Salito. Its a win win for GW (which I dont mind one bit) If Miers would have made it all the way ~~ then fine another woman is one the court ~~ but if she wasnt well received for her lack of judicial experience then we can pop in another candidate that certainly is.

Just out of curosity / what makes Charles Schumer so liberal ??????? is there some stand he has taken that is for far left to warrant such a label.
I also like and support George Pataki what does that make me >>>> ?????

It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence,

I think we can both agree to disagree with each others political views / I have enjoyed our discussions very much and it has made me look closer at "your" side of the fence / even thoguh I am more content with my position of the middle.

bry623 · 11-04-2005, 08:19 AM

And everybody thinks Bush is stupid. What a great play that was. It's like moving a pawn out in the open so you can put a more powerful piece out in the open.

Limbaugh rocks. I have agreed with almost everything he says. I'd tell anyone who doesn't "like" him to listen to him for 2 weeks and see if your opinions change. My small town AM station doesn't carry him, (the big AM station broadcasts that far to me) but we do get Sean Hannity and Mike Gallagher too. And believe it or not, I have listened to Al Franken (I know what he is against, but what is he for?) and the guy after him who isn't so intolerable.

newhouse1390 · 11-04-2005, 09:26 AM

It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence,

Actually Hannity is the one who I listen to. You should listen to him he makes alot of since! All though ridh is pretty good too.

newhouse1390 · 11-04-2005, 09:27 AM

Rush**

**superflysmith** · 11-04-2005, 12:00 PM

I like the local guys the best. I listen to Mark Belling who sometimes fills in for Rush.

newhouse1390 · 11-04-2005, 12:03 PM

I don’t believe that serving in the military with a honorable discharge is background enough for the presidency. Just like Harriet Miers isn’t qualified for the supreme court.

What more can you ask from a man? He has put what is it 6 years of his life down for his country and you criticize him for that?? Shame on you!

Just out of curosity / what makes Charles Schumer so liberal ??????? is there some stand he has taken that is for far left to warrant such a label.
I also like and support George Pataki what does that make me >>>> ?????

He is not ashamed that he is a liberal. In fact he gives himself that label through his actions and words. It is not something that he is ashamed about.

It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence,

There you go again criticizing someone who is living the American dream, the right way! Just because he is a republican doesn't make him stupid or wrong.

I think we can both agree to disagree with each others political views / I have enjoyed our discussions very much and it has made me look closer at "your" side of the fence / even though I am more content with my position of the middle.

As have I and I respect you opinion. However I do not respect you attacking our Presidents military record, or attacking Rush Limbaugh saying sarcastically his fountain of knowledge.

**linderman** · 11-04-2005, 02:25 PM

Newhouse : cmon Rush is so radical >>> i dont think be believes alot of what he says himself.

I guess if youre not blue then your grey is that it ?? / well then I can sleep better at nite knowing I am a liberal that questions why we do things ????? and hoe that our nation does care how we are perceived by other nations.

newhouse1390 · 11-04-2005, 04:23 PM

Newhouse : cmon Rush is so radical >>> i dont think be believes alot of what he says himself

Its hard to peruade someone who has a difficulty believeing the truth.

well then I can sleep better at nite knowing I am a liberal that questions why we do things

All you can do sit on the sideline and wonder why you can't get elected. Liberals have no vision and no plan to make America better. Let me reming you that a plan is not a litany of complaints. The ameican people see that and until you can come up wiht a better plan you will won't win any more elections.

yustr · 11-04-2005, 04:53 PM

This thread has got way off topic and has turned into a two way dialog. It's closed.

11-03-2005, 03:45 PM	#41 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,514 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Newhouse / the pres presented "evidence and classified at that if my memory serves me correctly / evidence which as far as I am concerned was coerced and twisted to make it fit his puzzle. This is why Scotter Libby outed Joe Wilson's wife / because Joe Wilson was trying to demonstrate that atomic weapons techonology was not coming from Nigeria of which he had first hand knowledge. As far as who left the dogs lose on him / we will never know / one thing is for sure nothing is done in that white house without either approval or equilivant. As to my statement about toppling goverments / when a nation topples a goverment (coup) and inserts a puppet then you expect that there will be a segment of the population that was supportive of that leader / the end result is you have just recruited soem terrorists. I have an uncle that was a chief warrant officer flying huey slicks in vietnam / he told me many stories where they had to beat the dog snot out of the south Viet troppers to get them off their ships and into the fight / do you really think they were fighting for something they believed in / sounds just like what I have heard about of the new IRAQ security forces !! As far as undermining our troppers at war / I have no such goals or interest >> as vehemently stated I have always supported our troops and get very heated when they dont get what they need to get the job done / why is it ok to have haliburton supply and buidl everything in IRAQ without any competive bidding / yet when the troppers need chest armor it must go thru "the process" and procurement ???? when a reserve "boot" invented the device for jamming IED bombs / why arent they yet installed on every damn vehicle in the theatre of operations ????? Why is that every person who questions why our pres made war in IRAQ and demand to see into the way the "evidence" was sifted thru and presented is called a LIBERAL / I am no damn liberbal nor am I a blind drummer beater who just points his muzzle where ever I am told to without question. Maybe they should have an equaling antagonist label for them!! I bet england labeled our founding fathers as terrorists Dont you ever question why the 1991 gulf war was so accepted; supported and rightly so by this country ?? old George did it right !! thats why he formed a coalition of other nations to help fight and make SURE it was justified by the presence of such a coalition. Or are all the other countriesd wrong for not participating and we are the only rightous one. You totally misunderstand my views / I feel our military is a precious instrument of our nation / much like the heart is to our body / I dont believe it should be used to alter or modify other countires beliefs or actions / I dont believe it should be used to protect puppet goverments put in place to help our glutenous nation devour oil / it distrubs me deeply to see all the pictures of the Bush family including old george sooo cozy with the Saudi's on his personal ranch. Do you see any pictures of John McCain cuddling the Royal Dictators ????? I am however very respectful of your commitment to defending this country / wether our country is right or wrong or manufactured our new enemies by our own interventions and black ops / I am by NO means an advocate of pulling out / we have as a nation made the decision to occupy a country >> it is the responsibility of this nation to finish the job regardless of how many soldiers it will consume, nor difficulty, irregardless to financial burden yet your theories of weapons being given to Syria / lets do them too !!! is damn scary would you really want to take on the entire middle east ??? because whether you wish to admit it or not the middle east is a hot bed of america haters and the more sons and daughters of the middle east you kill the more terrorists you will make / with that attitude what sets us apart from any dictator that just takes whatever he wants by killing the deffenders ???? As for the justification based upon Sadam's killing of his own people with Mustard gas over 20 years ago / why didnt we do anything about it then / or better yet after the gulf war in 1991 when we had convinced the Kurds to attmept an overthrow of Sadam why didnt we help the Kurds when it failed and they were getting slaughtered by the thousands as they fled to the upper most ruins of northern Iraq as sadam butchered them with tanks and air craft / yet the US carriers were told to "stand down" Our nation would be far better served if we choose presidents with the proper successful military background / a president who has seen and participated in the field where the "cordite burns" then he will know first hand ~~ war is not a tool for plunder or policy making insted we have choosen a draft dodger and a silver spoon kid ~~ who has been given the OK sonny you can just walk thru the military without even doing your job !! thats who has been running our nation for the last 14yrs !!! You almost sounded like one of the crusaders from days of the holy wars / the common soldier was told he was fighting to spread christianity and cleanse the world of the impure religions / the kings of those countries were not fighting for christianity LOL they were fighting for plunder, land and expansionism / but its hard to get a soldier to lay down his life and watch his buddy or son die in an effort to make the king richer / it was more noble and rightous to fight for "god" my only interest is making sure my friends and relatives are not fighting for oil or making more enemies while we do the dirty work for the Saudi's or defending the ever expanding occupations and settlements of the Israelis __________________ IF YOUR HARD DRIVE DIED RIGHT NOW; WOULD YOU CRY ??? ASK US FOR HELP DEVELOPING A DATA BACK-UP METHOD Last edited by linderman : 11-03-2005 at 03:49 PM.

11-03-2005, 06:01 PM	#43 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,514 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	If I were GW / I would stay committed and keep plugging along >> we have no other choice its like shooting at a bear with a 22 caliber rifle >> once you get started you got to finish who I voted for / in 2000 I voted for Bush In 04 I voted for Kerry / due to my distaste for Bush >> not because Kerry was a better choice >> I was very disappointed that John McCain was suuported in stead of GW / but I see why now >> the conservatives would not be able to control McCain as they are GW Are your serious ????? you really think GW completed his military service in the same manner as the rest of his officer class ????? History will be a much better judge of evaluating the outcome of the IRAQ situtation. We will just have to wait and see ????? I sure would feel alot better if the Iraqi's would fight for themselves as hard and as committed as the "terrorists" What ever happened to the Sha of Iran ??????? you remember him he was a classic US puppet / how often do you think you can install a goverment like that and not end up with the people of that country hating the US who backed him ???? It was a majority of that country's population that participated in a revolution to eject him __________________ IF YOUR HARD DRIVE DIED RIGHT NOW; WOULD YOU CRY ??? ASK US FOR HELP DEVELOPING A DATA BACK-UP METHOD Last edited by linderman : 11-03-2005 at 06:03 PM.

11-03-2005, 07:15 PM	#45 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,514 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	I think you misunderstood my intentions when I said our country needs to elect presidents that have served successfully in the military and have seen & smelled the "cordite burning" thats battle my friend !!!! in other words seen the REAL ramifications of war. John McCain has REALLY been in the military Colin Powell has too G Bush Sr. = real pilot in war Reagan One officer I hold in very high regard is the new (assignement) marine corp general recently installed I believe to repalce the Joint Chief of Staff that just retired (Meyers) anyhow / that general has pictures of fallen soldiers whom HE sent into battle / now thats a commander that accepts responsibility and does not take war lightly or its conquenses without justification. That is presidential material. I apoligize for not having such blind faith in our commander in chief or at times our goverment / but its hard to have such faith when you see your pres repeatedly smoozing with the royal family of saudi arabia (home of 14 of 19 terrorists I believe it was ?????) and a vice-president that supposedly was CEO of Haliburton , Real honest leaders dont allow the looks of impropriety to cast a shadow upon them. Are you really suggesting Harriet Miers was the right choice for supreme court ?????? you completly miss where I stand / I like to avoid the far left with equal determination as I avoid the far right ~~ I like the middle of the road candidates as long as they bring honor, integrity and morals with them(cabinet) to the white house __________________ IF YOUR HARD DRIVE DIED RIGHT NOW; WOULD YOU CRY ??? ASK US FOR HELP DEVELOPING A DATA BACK-UP METHOD Last edited by linderman : 11-03-2005 at 07:21 PM.

11-04-2005, 03:58 AM	#47 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,514 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	I have been in combat. George Bush has not but he certainly contributed to the United State military suring that crucial time in our history. To argue against that minimizes and reserve members service and contributions to any war effort. I dont believe that serving in the miltary with a honorable discharge is background enough for the presidency. Just like Harriet Miers isnt qualified for the supreme court. Judge Salito will be well received by your extreme conservative base after all I dont doubt that why GW & company propped up Harriet Miers to begin with to pave the way for Salito. Its a win win for GW (which I dont mind one bit) If Miers would have made it all the way ~~ then fine another woman is one the court ~~ but if she wasnt well received for her lack of judicial experience then we can pop in another candidate that certainly is. Just out of curosity / what makes Charles Schumer so liberal ??????? is there some stand he has taken that is for far left to warrant such a label. I also like and support George Pataki what does that make me >>>> ????? It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence, I think we can both agree to disagree with each others political views / I have enjoyed our discussions very much and it has made me look closer at "your" side of the fence / even thoguh I am more content with my position of the middle. __________________ IF YOUR HARD DRIVE DIED RIGHT NOW; WOULD YOU CRY ??? ASK US FOR HELP DEVELOPING A DATA BACK-UP METHOD

11-04-2005, 08:19 AM	#48 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,356 OS: winxp pro sp2	Supreme Court And everybody thinks Bush is stupid. What a great play that was. It's like moving a pawn out in the open so you can put a more powerful piece out in the open. Limbaugh rocks. I have agreed with almost everything he says. I'd tell anyone who doesn't "like" him to listen to him for 2 weeks and see if your opinions change. My small town AM station doesn't carry him, (the big AM station broadcasts that far to me) but we do get Sean Hannity and Mike Gallagher too. And believe it or not, I have listened to Al Franken (I know what he is against, but what is he for?) and the guy after him who isn't so intolerable. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

11-03-2005, 04:53 PM	#42 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	Our nation would be far better served if we choose presidents with the proper successful military background / a president who has seen and participated in the field where the "cordite burns" then he will know first hand ~~ war is not a tool for plunder or policy making You say that you respect the miliary service members yet you critisize the very people who have served. President Bush served in the National Guard, that is a fact and you cannot take that away from him. To say that it was his rich family the kept him from war would be speculation and you do not have the facts to back it up. So do not go there and do not critisize someone who has served. As to my statement about toppling goverments / when a nation topples a goverment (coup) and inserts a puppet then you expect that there will be a segment of the population that was supportive of that leader / the end result is you have just recruited soem terrorists. If you haven't heard the Iraqi's are voting in an election to find their leader we will leave Iraq when it is peaceful and we will let the Iraqi's decide who they want their leader to be. Newhouse / the pres presented "evidence and classified at that if my memory serves me correctly / evidence which as far as I am concerned was coerced and twisted to make it fit his puzzle. Democrats on the senate intel committee saw the same intelligence that the president did to say that he twisted it again you have no "evidence". All you can do is speculate, you don't know!! Supporting our troops yet not supporting the war?? How can thes two things co-exist they contradict themselves. Dont you ever question why the 1991 gulf war was so accepted; supported and rightly so by this country ?? old George did it right !! thats why he formed a coalition of other nations to help fight and make SURE it was justified by the presence of such a coalition. Or are all the other countriesd wrong for not participating and we are the only rightous one. When it comes to defending our country, our federal government should have autonomy in determining what is in the best interest of our country internationally, as opposed to relying on organizations such as the United Nations or other countries, even our allies, to make our decisions for us. You totally misunderstand my views / I feel our military is a precious instrument of our nation / much like the heart is to our body / I dont believe it should be used to alter or modify other countires beliefs or actions / I dont believe it should be used to protect puppet goverments put in place to help our glutenous nation devour oil / it distrubs me deeply to see all the pictures of the Bush family including old george sooo cozy with the Saudi's on his personal ranch. We are fighting terrorists in Iraq. This was self defense and now since we have defeated the government who supported terror we are going to install a free society instead of leaving it open for a dictorial rule, unless of course you want to put a puppet in there and again let him threaten the world with WMD's! As a service member I can tell you that personally, it hurts me to see some people like you attack the cause while my friends are still in harms way. I unlike many soliders want to return to Iraq, I want to see that if in the 8 months I've been back has that country changed drastically? I want ask you a question...If you were George W. Bush right now what would do about Iraq? Just out of curiosity who did you vote for in the '04 election?

11-03-2005, 06:49 PM	#44 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	Here are the facts: In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, the commander of the Texas Air National Guard, recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing." On October 1, 1973, Bush was honorably discharged from the Texas Air National Guard and transferred to the inactive reserves in Denver, Colorado. He was discharged from the Air Force Reserve on November 21, 1974. A great and honorable service record if you ask me. It so funny to me to hear you go on and on about how you have the utmost respect for our military but you exploit for political purposes a fine persons military record. You should be ashamed! I cannot take you seriously when you say you have the respect for our military when you try to take away someones military service. Pitty on you! I was very disappointed that John McCain was suuported in stead of GW / but I see why now >> the conservatives would not be able to control McCain as they are GW. May I point out that Charles Shumar said "...she (hariet miers) clearly lacked the knowlege of constitional law to be placed on americas high court." I am assuming that you mean "control" to be how GW "gave into the radical right wing", am i right in that assumtion? It would seem as though there is a double standard here hmm... George Bush gave into radical right wing....last time i checked Charles Shumar was not on the right. I sure would feel alot better if the Iraqi's would fight for themselves as hard and as committed as the "terrorists" I agree with you here it would make me fell better too. There will be a day when Iraqi's will fight for themselves. History will give the United States credit for this war, as long as we don't elect a leader who will abandon the Iraqi's that would make this seem like a mirror to Vietnam.

11-03-2005, 08:16 PM	#46 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	Are you really suggesting Harriet Miers was the right choice for supreme court ?????? Absolutly not. She did not qualify in my mind as supreme court material. My point is that if dems like shumar are willing to say that GW gave into the right wing that is wrong because the left wing has opposed her too. Judge Alito has the judicial expierence required to be on the high court and is a true scholar. Harriet Miers is I'm sure a great women but she wasn't the right one for the job. John McCain has REALLY been in the military (so has anyone who has been honorably discharged.)Colin Powell has too G Bush Sr. = real pilot in war Regan I respect all of these mens commitments to our armed service. They certaily deserve it, as well as Georg W. Bush. No matter if you are in the reserves or that actice military we all play a part in protecting our liberties. You should appreciate Gw's service not critisize or minimize it. That is wrong and is a personal attact on all members of the reserve past and present. I think you misunderstood my intentions when I said our country needs to elect presidents that have served successfully in the military and have seen & smelled the "cordite burning" thats battle my friend !!!! in other words seen the REAL ramifications of war. I have been in combat. George Bush has not but he certainly contributed to the United State military suring that crucial time in our history. To argue against that minimizes and reserve members service and contributions to any war effort.

11-04-2005, 09:26 AM	#49 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence, Actually Hannity is the one who I listen to. You should listen to him he makes alot of since! All though ridh is pretty good too.

11-04-2005, 09:27 AM	#50 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	Rush**

11-04-2005, 12:00 PM	#51 (permalink)
superflysmith An American Hero and Moderator, The Conversation Pit. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,575 OS: XP PRO	I like the local guys the best. I listen to Mark Belling who sometimes fills in for Rush. __________________ "Some people go their whole life wondering if they ever made a difference. Marines don’t have that problem." Bush made the Packers lose

11-04-2005, 12:03 PM	#52 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	I don’t believe that serving in the military with a honorable discharge is background enough for the presidency. Just like Harriet Miers isn’t qualified for the supreme court. What more can you ask from a man? He has put what is it 6 years of his life down for his country and you criticize him for that?? Shame on you! Just out of curosity / what makes Charles Schumer so liberal ??????? is there some stand he has taken that is for far left to warrant such a label. I also like and support George Pataki what does that make me >>>> ????? He is not ashamed that he is a liberal. In fact he gives himself that label through his actions and words. It is not something that he is ashamed about. It just dawned on me / I bet your an avid follower of Rush Limbaugh now there is a fountain of intelligence, There you go again criticizing someone who is living the American dream, the right way! Just because he is a republican doesn't make him stupid or wrong. I think we can both agree to disagree with each others political views / I have enjoyed our discussions very much and it has made me look closer at "your" side of the fence / even though I am more content with my position of the middle. As have I and I respect you opinion. However I do not respect you attacking our Presidents military record, or attacking Rush Limbaugh saying sarcastically his fountain of knowledge.

11-04-2005, 02:25 PM	#53 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,514 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Newhouse : cmon Rush is so radical >>> i dont think be believes alot of what he says himself. I guess if youre not blue then your grey is that it ?? / well then I can sleep better at nite knowing I am a liberal that questions why we do things ????? and hoe that our nation does care how we are perceived by other nations. __________________ IF YOUR HARD DRIVE DIED RIGHT NOW; WOULD YOU CRY ??? ASK US FOR HELP DEVELOPING A DATA BACK-UP METHOD

11-04-2005, 04:23 PM	#54 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,038 OS: Windows Server 2003	Newhouse : cmon Rush is so radical >>> i dont think be believes alot of what he says himself Its hard to peruade someone who has a difficulty believeing the truth. well then I can sleep better at nite knowing I am a liberal that questions why we do things All you can do sit on the sideline and wonder why you can't get elected. Liberals have no vision and no plan to make America better. Let me reming you that a plan is not a litany of complaints. The ameican people see that and until you can come up wiht a better plan you will won't win any more elections.

11-04-2005, 04:53 PM	#55 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,435 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	This thread has got way off topic and has turned into a two way dialog. It's closed. __________________ I'm helping in the fight against Cancer, YOU CAN TOO find out how; CLICK HERE I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry