"Don't expect total accuracy"

2ply · 10-07-2005, 09:39 AM

VERY interesting read for the people who swear by the bible.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...811332,00.html

Your thoughts on this? I personally think it's about time somebody admitted it.

yustr · 10-07-2005, 10:37 AM

It’s clear to anyone who reads and comprehends that the Bible is not historically or scientifically inerrant but that hasn’t stopped a whole generation from believing otherwise. Add to this the centuries of (sometimes violent) antagonism between Catholics and Protestants and I’m guessing that this won’t change many minds in the Bible Belt.

~~Leroy77~~ · 10-07-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

It’s clear to anyone who reads and comprehends that the Bible is not historically or scientifically inerrant but that hasn’t stopped a whole generation from believing otherwise. Add to this the centuries of (sometimes violent) antagonism between Catholics and Protestants and I’m guessing that this won’t change many minds in the Bible Belt.

Oh yeah. "Holy Wars"......a whole lot of people killing each other because someone said God thought it was a good idea. And as for the Catholic/ Protestant rumble, I fail to see how murdering each other and thereby committing numerous unforgiveable sins is gonna put you in favor with your respective Gods.
But hey, that's just me.

And this new evidence won't change a Goddamn thing, people believe in Gods because they want to, or have been brainwashed from birth. Yes, I said brainwashed. Because certain "religions" (aka: cults) like to add new commandments such as:

"Thou shalt make monetary tribute to the church elders, for they desire a new Mercedes."

"Thou shalt not question where thy money goes, those who do shall receive the holy gift of cement footwear"

"Thou shalt have thy independant thought beaten out of thee with a sock full of quarters"

To name just a few.

**superflysmith** · 10-07-2005, 07:03 PM

I personally could careless what the Catholics believe. But this article does fit perfectly in this part of the forum since Catholocism is nothing but a big political group. Don't get me wrong I respect some of them but I think a lot of what they have done in the past is completely wrong.

**uripyores** · 10-07-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by superflysmith

I personally could careless what the Catholics believe. But this article does fit perfectly in this part of the forum since Catholocism is nothing but a big political group. Don't get me wrong I respect some of them but I think a lot of what they have done in the past is completely wrong.

Yeah, unlike the protestants eh? Who've never lifted a finger in anger at anyone!
Likewise practically every other "religion" has acted very unreligionly some time in its history. [if thats a word]

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"Thou shalt make monetary tribute to the church elders, for they desire a new Mercedes."
"Thou shalt not question where thy money goes, those who do shall receive the holy gift of cement footwear"
"Thou shalt have thy independant thought beaten out of thee with a sock full of quarters"

Haha...lmao.

**superflysmith** · 10-07-2005, 09:31 PM

The Catholics were political before there was a such thing as Protestants. If you believe in the Bible nothing the Protestants do means anything either unless it agrees with the word of God. They both have there problems but the Catholic church has allowed pagan religion into there church from the beginning. They are very close to being a cult in my eyes.

**uripyores** · 10-07-2005, 09:56 PM

Yeah I agree, My religion is better than yours. I dunno what mine is though......or yours, but nevermind eh?

**DumberDrummer** · 10-07-2005, 10:51 PM

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Yeah, unlike the protestants eh? Who've never lifted a finger in anger at anyone!
Likewise practically every other "religion" has acted very unreligionly some time in its history. [if thats a word]

We are only human. Humans make mistakes. The bible is full of humans making mistakes. (Not sure about any other religious book, but I assume they are similar.) To expect absolute perfection from anyone is asking to much, even if they are religious. You can decry a religion because of stuff that its done, but in the end, we are all human, prone to the same mistakes of greed and anger. To judge those alive now by the mistakes of their predecessors is a mistake in and of itself. It would be like making me pay reparations to all black people because my great-great-great-great grandfather owned slaves.

That's my seriousness for the day, now I need Bry to tell a religious joke to lighten the mood.

**mgoldb2** · 10-08-2005, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DumberDrummer

That's my seriousness for the day, now I need Bry to tell a religious joke to lighten the mood.

May I :P

The following jokes are by Emo Philips

Quote:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

Quote:

When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realised, the Lord doesn't work that way. So I just stole one and asked Him to forgive me ... and I got it!

Quote:

A Mormon told me that they don't drink coffee. I said, "A cup of coffee every day gives you wonderful benefits." He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, it keeps you from being Mormon ..."

2ply · 10-12-2005, 10:20 AM

It doesn't really mean much to people who follow Catholicism(sp?) as a 'guiding path' so to say, but I know quite a few devoted Catholics, who will swear by the bible no matter what you say, and when I showed them this one, one of them got pretty pissed, and the rest seemed to think, well, I'll still blindly follow no matter what.

~~Leroy77~~ · 10-13-2005, 10:03 AM

Catholicism is a lot like a gang. The gang has something to offer that appeals to it's members (Supposed Salvation). If you wanna be part of the gang then you have to do what THEY say, think how THEY want you to think, and live how THEY want you to live. Whether or not it makes sense doesn't matter to them, if you break the rules you're out of the gang.

**uripyores** · 10-13-2005, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leroy77

Catholicism is a lot like a gang. The gang has something to offer that appeals to it's members (Supposed Salvation). If you wanna be part of the gang then you have to do what THEY say, think how THEY want you to think, and live how THEY want you to live. Whether or not it makes sense doesn't matter to them, if you break the rules you're out of the gang.

Isn't that the definition of all religions?

yustr · 10-13-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by uripyores

Isn't that the definition of all religions?

Your's is a gang but not mine. Mine is the one true religion.

Or as Mark Knoffler said: "Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong."

**DumberDrummer** · 10-13-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by uripyores

Isn't that the definition of all religions?

not mine.

~~Leroy77~~ · 10-13-2005, 12:14 PM

One man's sacred cow is another man's McDonalds Value Meal. Or jacket, or suitcase, or shoes.

bry623 · 10-13-2005, 12:29 PM

Some cultures have used religion as a way of controlling the masses. Inquisistion? Interdict? Tithing?

Calvin: What's that? I'm not eating it.
Mom: It's chicken
Calvin: Well, if God turns out to be a giant chicken, we're al going to be sorry.

yustr · 10-13-2005, 12:40 PM

"Religion is the opium of the masses." Marx

~~Leroy77~~ · 10-13-2005, 03:54 PM

Seems to me that organized religion is run by people living in glass houses throwing stones at everyone they see. Religion is absolutely an attempt to control people's behavior. It's not enough that you go to prison for stealing and killing. Now there's a penalty after death too. It seems even in death we are not safe, which is a very, very depressing thought. So much for a way out from your problems. I think anyone who does their time on this mudball deserves to be left the hell alone once they die. I'm just gonna assume they're all full of s**t unless god himself tells me otherwise.

This is definitely a case of: "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?". We've got religions all over the damn place worshipping dozens of different gods and playing by different rules. Which is the real one? Seems god has no comment. Judging by the bible, god didn't used to be this indifferent. He doesn't seem to care anymore what anyone does, and if he doesn't care then why should I? Multiple religions claiming to be the one true path away from damnation and no one here to sort it out. Roll the dice, take your chances.

The bottom line is people believe what they want to, and in a situation like that, logic goes out the window. Proof is not a requirement. I have less chance of pulling someone away from a religion they choose to follow than they have of converting me. It's a waste of time, energy, and oxygen.

10-07-2005, 09:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
2ply Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 85 OS: XP/FC3 Dual Boot	"Don't expect total accuracy" VERY interesting read for the people who swear by the bible. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...811332,00.html Your thoughts on this? I personally think it's about time somebody admitted it.

10-07-2005, 10:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,561 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	It’s clear to anyone who reads and comprehends that the Bible is not historically or scientifically inerrant but that hasn’t stopped a whole generation from believing otherwise. Add to this the centuries of (sometimes violent) antagonism between Catholics and Protestants and I’m guessing that this won’t change many minds in the Bible Belt. __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry

10-07-2005, 07:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
superflysmith An American Hero and Moderator, The Conversation Pit. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,575 OS: XP PRO	I personally could careless what the Catholics believe. But this article does fit perfectly in this part of the forum since Catholocism is nothing but a big political group. Don't get me wrong I respect some of them but I think a lot of what they have done in the past is completely wrong. __________________ "Some people go their whole life wondering if they ever made a difference. Marines don’t have that problem." Bush made the Packers lose

10-07-2005, 09:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
superflysmith An American Hero and Moderator, The Conversation Pit. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,575 OS: XP PRO	The Catholics were political before there was a such thing as Protestants. If you believe in the Bible nothing the Protestants do means anything either unless it agrees with the word of God. They both have there problems but the Catholic church has allowed pagan religion into there church from the beginning. They are very close to being a cult in my eyes. __________________ "Some people go their whole life wondering if they ever made a difference. Marines don’t have that problem." Bush made the Packers lose

10-13-2005, 12:29 PM	#16 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,367 OS: winxp pro sp2	Some cultures have used religion as a way of controlling the masses. Inquisistion? Interdict? Tithing? Calvin: What's that? I'm not eating it. Mom: It's chicken Calvin: Well, if God turns out to be a giant chicken, we're al going to be sorry. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

10-07-2005, 09:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
uripyores Mush Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham UK Posts: 724 OS: XP Home/Pro [SP3]	Yeah I agree, My religion is better than yours. I dunno what mine is though......or yours, but nevermind eh?

10-12-2005, 10:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
2ply Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 85 OS: XP/FC3 Dual Boot	It doesn't really mean much to people who follow Catholicism(sp?) as a 'guiding path' so to say, but I know quite a few devoted Catholics, who will swear by the bible no matter what you say, and when I showed them this one, one of them got pretty pissed, and the rest seemed to think, well, I'll still blindly follow no matter what.

10-13-2005, 10:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	Catholicism is a lot like a gang. The gang has something to offer that appeals to it's members (Supposed Salvation). If you wanna be part of the gang then you have to do what THEY say, think how THEY want you to think, and live how THEY want you to live. Whether or not it makes sense doesn't matter to them, if you break the rules you're out of the gang.

10-13-2005, 12:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	One man's sacred cow is another man's McDonalds Value Meal. Or jacket, or suitcase, or shoes.

10-13-2005, 12:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,561 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	"Religion is the opium of the masses." Marx __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry

10-13-2005, 03:54 PM	#18 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	Seems to me that organized religion is run by people living in glass houses throwing stones at everyone they see. Religion is absolutely an attempt to control people's behavior. It's not enough that you go to prison for stealing and killing. Now there's a penalty after death too. It seems even in death we are not safe, which is a very, very depressing thought. So much for a way out from your problems. I think anyone who does their time on this mudball deserves to be left the hell alone once they die. I'm just gonna assume they're all full of s**t unless god himself tells me otherwise. This is definitely a case of: "Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?". We've got religions all over the damn place worshipping dozens of different gods and playing by different rules. Which is the real one? Seems god has no comment. Judging by the bible, god didn't used to be this indifferent. He doesn't seem to care anymore what anyone does, and if he doesn't care then why should I? Multiple religions claiming to be the one true path away from damnation and no one here to sort it out. Roll the dice, take your chances. The bottom line is people believe what they want to, and in a situation like that, logic goes out the window. Proof is not a requirement. I have less chance of pulling someone away from a religion they choose to follow than they have of converting me. It's a waste of time, energy, and oxygen.