Another BHO lie.

bry623 · 06-20-2008, 10:13 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/us...rssnyt&emc=rss

Early last year, before he became a money-raising phenomenon, Mr. Obama floated in a filing with the Federal Election Commission the possibility of working out an agreement with the other party’s nominee to accept public financing if both sides agreed. Later, when asked in a questionnaire whether he would participate in the system if his opponent did the same, Mr. Obama wrote, “yes,” adding, “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.”

Citing the specter of attacks from independent groups on the right, Senator Barack Obama announced Thursday that he would opt out of the public financing system for the general election.

-I believe that the moveon folks and all of the labor unions will attack his opponent pretty hard. Justifying a flip. I guess when he says he won't raise taxes we shouldn't take it at face value, we should just wait for the justification.

mommabear · 06-20-2008, 10:48 AM

And here's the rest of the story.

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In our fifth story: Obama‘s promise even just taken on face value was to accept public financing if his Republican opponent had agreed to do the same. Senator McCain had, in essence, been running his general election campaign on private funds, not public financing since he became the presumptive nominee on March 4th.

McCain late this afternoon said he had just decided to switch to public funding but to quote Jesse Jackson‘s old self caricature on “Saturday Night Live” the question is moot.

On November 27th of last year, with senators Obama and Edwards, the only respondents, the Midwest Democracy Network released the results of its presidential candidate questionnaire. Question number 1B asked: “If you are nominated for president in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forego private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system? Obama‘s response began with him checking the box marked yes.

But his major opponents, opponent—McCain, had not yet agreed to the premise of the question to, quote, “forego private funding in the general election campaign.” Since late last year, McCain has been involved in an intricate dance with the Federal Election Committee, possibly involving breaking a few laws, getting a campaign loan based on opting in for primary funding, then opting out, then saying he was leaning towards opting back in which would seem to make McCain‘s outraged umbrage today about Obama, quote, “He said he would stick to his agreement, he didn‘t.” At best self-incriminating and at worse, disingenuous.

OLBERMANN: Even ignoring the straight forwardness of an “if-then” question, when the “if” had not happened, the rest of Obama‘s lengthy and nuance answers has been left by the wayside. Under the yes box, his comments limited to 250 words or less, one gets the feeling he felt limited, indeed.

They read: “I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as the way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and I‘m the only 2008 candidate to sponsor Senator Russ Feingold‘s bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to reserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election.

My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forego public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge.”

OLBERMANN: By the way, that Midwest Democracy Network asked the same “if-then” question that started this dispute, the one about public financing, to all five candidates still in the race as of the end of February of this year. Senator Obama repeated that lengthy, wonkish answer. The other four, didn‘t even bother to answer, including Senator McCain.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25283004/

Obama has said all along that he wants to reform campaign financing and take it out of the special interest groups. What better example than to continue on with the private small donations from our citizens.

bry623 · 06-21-2008, 08:33 AM

McCain wanted to reform it too hence, McCain Feingold. Too bad Obama can't tell thr truth or work with anyone in Congress.

**Drew1369** · 06-21-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mommabear

Obama has said all along that he wants to reform campaign financing and take it out of the special interest groups. What better example than to continue on with the private small donations from our citizens.

Because that was the whole point of going to PUBLIC funding, instead of private... too bad when he saw his actually dollar amount he flipped his decision

**40sondacurb** · 06-21-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

Because that was the whole point of going to PUBLIC funding, instead of private... too bad when he saw his actually dollar amount he flipped his decision

at least we know he's not retarded.

**simpswr** · 06-21-2008, 03:51 PM

Damn . . you'd think he was a Republican . . .

**Drew1369** · 06-21-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

at least we know he's not retarded.

I guess we all know now that he can't just talk his way to winning then...

**EnglishPaul** · 06-23-2008, 02:27 AM

So how much money does it cost to buy the Whitehouse?

I suspect, in a 2 horse race, that if one candidate was to spend a minimal amount of money it would work in their favour. They would rise above all the cheap (actually very expensive) smear campaigns. They would be know for their policies. They would be sought after by the media.
I see this as an opportunity lost.
But then again, perhaps I don't understand the hidden forces that run America.

mommabear · 06-23-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

So how much money does it cost to buy the Whitehouse?

I suspect, in a 2 horse race, that if one candidate was to spend a minimal amount of money it would work in their favour. They would rise above all the cheap (actually very expensive) smear campaigns. They would be know for their policies. They would be sought after by the media.
I see this as an opportunity lost.
But then again, perhaps I don't understand the hidden forces that run America.

Unfortunately, that's been tried before and it doesn't work. Keywords: Kerry and Swift Boat. In fact it worked so well against Kerry that "swiftboating" has become part of our vernacular. http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=swiftboated

Kerry tried to 'rise above it', thinking the attacks would fade away, and the campaign would get back to the issues that mattered. Didn't happen and it played a large part in costing him the election.

It would have been better if Obama had simply said he changed his mind, because everyone knows there's still plenty of time for the attacks to begin. They're preparing for the worst by keeping their money and their message in their control.

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But Kerry worries the political smear tactics will only get worse.

"The attacks in 2004 started as an anonymous e-mail campaign," he said in the interview yesterday. "This is a highly developed process by which [Republicans] try to destroy people on a personal level. l think it's cowardly and I dislike it intensely."

http://tinyurl.com/5vwmms

**EnglishPaul** · 06-23-2008, 04:00 AM

Perhaps I overestimated the American voter.

Maybe the bigger question is why people are prepared to believe smears. Are politicians so distrusted now that any preposterous lie will be believed over their word?

I am finding it harder and harder to believe in democracy. But what alternatives are there?

**sobeit** · 06-23-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

Perhaps I overestimated the American voter.

Maybe the bigger question is why people are prepared to believe smears. Are politicians so distrusted now that any preposterous lie will be believed over their word?

I am finding it harder and harder to believe in democracy. But what alternatives are there?

as they say, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again, you will get the gullible to believe. Thats how the war in iraq went from wmds to war against terrorism.

The same thing about obama, mccain and others. Theres usually a pinch of the truth in the wholesale lies that makes it easy for the gullible to believe the misinformation put out by the opposition.

**40sondacurb** · 06-23-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

Perhaps I overestimated the American voter.

Maybe the bigger question is why people are prepared to believe smears. Are politicians so distrusted now that any preposterous lie will be believed over their word?

I am finding it harder and harder to believe in democracy. But what alternatives are there?

Too bad anarchy never panned out. I guess they had trouble getting organized.

RedScott · 06-23-2008, 06:42 PM

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I am finding it harder and harder to believe in democracy. But what alternatives are there?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/re.../dp/0765808684

**STINEHART** · 06-24-2008, 01:17 AM

I'll buy McCain a retirement hat in the spring.

bry623 · 06-24-2008, 11:24 AM

The whole Swift Boat thing had nothing to do with money, it was all about Kerry's inactivity.

**EnglishPaul** · 06-24-2008, 02:56 PM

...Kerry's inactivity of stemming the torrent of poo that was thrust toward him.
What a great cause for a future president to act upon!
Except that he smelt too bad to be voted in.

Note to American public for next time: USE YOUR BRAINS, NOT YOUR NOSE.

**Drew1369** · 06-24-2008, 09:30 PM

Unfortunatly, the option with all polititions is to vote for less stinky pile of pool.

Obama=fresh poo
McCain=crusted poo

But atleast McCains stink is held in check by aging

06-20-2008, 10:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Another BHO lie. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/us...rssnyt&emc=rss Early last year, before he became a money-raising phenomenon, Mr. Obama floated in a filing with the Federal Election Commission the possibility of working out an agreement with the other party’s nominee to accept public financing if both sides agreed. Later, when asked in a questionnaire whether he would participate in the system if his opponent did the same, Mr. Obama wrote, “yes,” adding, “If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.” Citing the specter of attacks from independent groups on the right, Senator Barack Obama announced Thursday that he would opt out of the public financing system for the general election. -I believe that the moveon folks and all of the labor unions will attack his opponent pretty hard. Justifying a flip. I guess when he says he won't raise taxes we shouldn't take it at face value, we should just wait for the justification. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

06-21-2008, 08:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Another BHO lie. McCain wanted to reform it too hence, McCain Feingold. Too bad Obama can't tell thr truth or work with anyone in Congress. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

06-21-2008, 03:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
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06-23-2008, 02:27 AM	#8 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 936 OS: XP SP2	Re: Another BHO lie. So how much money does it cost to buy the Whitehouse? I suspect, in a 2 horse race, that if one candidate was to spend a minimal amount of money it would work in their favour. They would rise above all the cheap (actually very expensive) smear campaigns. They would be know for their policies. They would be sought after by the media. I see this as an opportunity lost. But then again, perhaps I don't understand the hidden forces that run America.

06-23-2008, 04:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 936 OS: XP SP2	Re: Another BHO lie. Perhaps I overestimated the American voter. Maybe the bigger question is why people are prepared to believe smears. Are politicians so distrusted now that any preposterous lie will be believed over their word? I am finding it harder and harder to believe in democracy. But what alternatives are there?

06-24-2008, 01:17 AM	#14 (permalink)
STINEHART Aut viam inveniam aut fac Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 2,161 OS: Vector My System	Re: Another BHO lie. I'll buy McCain a retirement hat in the spring. __________________ Free 10MB Image Hosting \| Streaming Catholic TV \| -Smilies.- \| Report Suspicious or Suspected Terrorist Activity Here

06-24-2008, 11:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Another BHO lie. The whole Swift Boat thing had nothing to do with money, it was all about Kerry's inactivity. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

06-24-2008, 02:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 936 OS: XP SP2	Re: Another BHO lie. ...Kerry's inactivity of stemming the torrent of poo that was thrust toward him. What a great cause for a future president to act upon! Except that he smelt too bad to be voted in. Note to American public for next time: USE YOUR BRAINS, NOT YOUR NOSE.

06-24-2008, 09:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,220 OS: Vista Business	Re: Another BHO lie. Unfortunatly, the option with all polititions is to vote for less stinky pile of pool. Obama=fresh poo McCain=crusted poo But atleast McCains stink is held in check by aging __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!