truthseeker

Read this website about the dangers of Muslims moving into your suburbs:

http://www.islamexposed.co.nr/

It is aimed at an Australian audience, yet its dangers apply to all countries.

yustr

One persons (unsigned) beliefs that would undoubtedly be rejected by the majority of Muslims - if the writer had bothered to ask any.

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Chode

I'm tempted to say that anyone who wants to demonize or characterize an entire religion that has something around 1.4 billion adherents based on the actions of some thousands is an ignorant zealot. And a pinhead.

Now to sit back and wait for sobeit to tell me that in his experience anyone who opposes religious zealotry is a religious zealot. Like my "racism", I guess that'll be just one more cross to bear. OOPS! Burden! I meant burden!

Let's just think about all this a bit. When Muslim extremists commit acts of terrorism, who bears the brunt of the casualties? Golly, I guess that would be Muslims, wouldn't it? So how does support for terrorists actually stack up in some critical countries? Pretty poor.

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sobeit

You can say the very same thing about christianity. If the extremists in christianity had their way, exactly the same thing would happen.

IMO, you cannot form your opinions about any religion based on the actions of a few. Its the same as stereotyping and everyone knows how inaccurate that is.

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truthseeker

But you can never accuse a "Christian" committing a crime claiming they did it because Jesus had done it. Because Jesus' life does not contain any vile criminal acts, and as a Leader for Christians sets a perfect example to follow and how to live.

But when it comes to Islam and Muslims committing crimes, they do so in justification that Mohammed, their leader, had done it, which he did, because any person who reads the biography of Mohammed will learn that his life was filled with criminal and very violent acts and pedophilia acts.

So this is why you see so many Muslims committing horrific crimes and smiling about them and cheering when innocent people die and praising Allah, because Mohammed had lived that way. And that is why you see so many old Muslim men marrying and having sex with young girls under the age of 10, because Mohammed had done it.

So you cannot compare Christianity with Islam, and you cannot compare Jesus with Mohammed.

And what people must understand is that Jesus taught love and peace, but Mohammed taught war and killing until all religion is for Islam. This theology does not apply to just a few Muslims, but all of them. And the Muslims who are not committing crimes against others, don't do so because they have not "YET" understood what the Qu'ran really teaches. But once they learn that the Qu'ran really teaches, they also turn into terrorists because the Qu'ran commands them to, so that is why whole Islam and all Muslims are so dangerous and walking time-bombs.

sobeit

That is where the christians are more violent. They are and had killed including committing other crimes in the name of Jesus. They are going way beyond what was taught in the bible - In other words whats their excuse.

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truthseeker

You claim Christians are more violent than Muslims. But that is not true at all. When was the last time you heard of a Christian blowing up innocent people or flying planes into a filled building?

1. No true Christian who follows Jesus will ever commit any crimes or killings. Anyone who claims to be a "christian" and kills in the name of Jesus are doing so out of ignorance or mental illness, because Jesus never taught to do it.

2. But Muslims are ordered to follow Mohammed, and Mohammed's life was filled with killing and criminal acts. That's the difference! Jesus taught to not kill, and Mohammed taught to kill.

All people need to do is compare the life of Jesus and that of Mohammed.

Jesus' life was filled with peace, love and compassion, and Jesus asks that we become like Him.

But Mohammed's life was filled with pedophilia, criminal acts of violence, and Muslims are asked to follow his example.

So no true Christian would commit killings or crimes against anyone because Jesus never did it and never taught it. But Muslims will do it because Mohammed did it and taught it.

sobeit

you need to learn your history and seek the truth. As I said in another post if the extremist in Christianity had their way, it would be as bad if not worse than muslim extremists.

History says christians burned witches at the stake - remember salem, had the crusades, the church had their Inquisitions, early conquerers gave some cities a choice to convert to christianity or die (sound familiar). lets not forget about Moses who killed and conquered on the way to the promise land. More recently, there were extremist in waco and Jamestown . Then theres the IRA problem in the uk and the bosnia brand of christianity. Lets not forget the killing of doctors in the US because they did abortions - again - extremist christians. Remember the moral majority and some of their policies..

However I am not going to get into a debate about this because you already have your mind made up so its useless to waste my time.

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truthseeker

It is good to see you change your tune and admit I was right. Before you said, "That is where the christians are more violent." And now you changed it to, "if the extremist in Christianity had their way, it would be as bad if not worse than muslim extremists"

So before you said Christians are worse, but now you said IF THEY HAD THEIR WAY it they would be worse. So good to see you change your tune as you realise your initial comment was in err.

History shows that Catholics and the Vatican burned people at the stake, it never says "Christians" did it.

Even Italian mafia members claim to be Catholic, but that doesnt make them true Christians.

The Vatican/Papacy does NOT represent Jesus or the Bible and they did not live in accordance with biblical teachings. The Vatican is a false christian church and only after its own selfish power.

But we need to come back to the original point. Did Jesus burn anyone at the stake? Did Jesus kill innocent people? Did Jesus thrown stones at his own family members? Did Jesus molest any young children?

So as a Christian I follow what Jesus did and how He lived.

But Muslims also follower their leader, Mohammed who lived oppositie to how Jesus lived.

So each person needs to ask themselves this.. Do I want to follow and be like Jesus or Mohammed?

The true mirror reflection of Christianity is in the life of Jesus, not all Christians, and definitely not in the actions of the Vatican or Catholics.. And the true mirror reflection of Islam is in the life of Mohammed.

One was a beautiful kind and peaceful Person and the other a vile, violent murderer and paedophile.

Who do you want to follow? Who do you want to show your allegiance to? Who do you want to be like?

Let each person decide for themselves.

EnglishPaul

So even if we take as fact that Jesus existed, and that everything that is written in the popular Bible is absolutely and literally true. Doesn't it bother you that Christians are such a bad mirror of Jesus. At what point can you conclude that so many dedicated followers of Jesus do it so badly that, instead of being empowered by the Holy Spirit, they are actually just deluded followers of their forefathers. How much does something have to not work, to finally admit that it doesn't work and stop attributing it to free will.

Anyway, all that to one side, I would be interested to know more about your sources as to the life of Mohammed (peace be upon him).

Oh and Sobeit, although you may never change certain peoples beliefs, it is never a waste of time having a counter view in a thread to provide balance rather than allow propaganda.

truthseeker

As for the sources of Mohammed, read the website I posted in my first post. It has many Qu'ran references.

And if there is no God, then there are no 10 Commandments or moral law, and if that is the case, why would it bother you if Christians are a poor mirror image of Jesus? :)

That is a question I would ask you to ponder deeply before answering. If there is no God who created any moral compass in our hearts and lives, where do your morals come from?

Even an infant knows it's wrong to hurt or kill someone. But how? Someone must have written into their heart.

And that is why we have grace, which means unmerited and undeserved favour. And at the time we accept Christ into our lives, a true Christian is transformed in mind and heart to be loving, compassionate and kind to others, just as Jesus was.

But when it comes to Muslims, at the time a person commits to Islam and the Qu'ran they are commanded to kill all unbelievers until all religion is for Islam.

ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)
FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

Notice that Muslims are taught that you and I are vile animals and that we should be killed for refusing to embrace Islam.

Read this for more:

http://www.islamexposed.co.nr/

Thanks for sharing your personal opinions.

yustr

Let me get this straight: we have one fundamentalist telling us that we should be wary of some other fundamentalist...yup religion is the way to peace.

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EnglishPaul

What a personal dilemma. On the one hand I want to defend my position, and on the other I really can't better yustr!

Well I recommend that you ponder deeply what yustr said, and then if you get bored read this.
I never worked out how to comment out someone's post, which may have helped this read better.
Truthseeker, it bothers me that Christians are poor reflections of Jesus because it is a good indicator that Christianity doesn't work very well. What is really interesting is that though Christianity doesn't work very well, you are so convinced that Islam works well enough to bring down Australia. Does this mean that Allah is stronger than Yahweh in your eyes?

You do seem to have a wonderfully narrow view of life. There are lots of explanations as to why we have a moral compass. God is one, I suppose aliens would be another, or the flying spaghetti monster; alternatively there is the notion that without morals society would be impossible, and human development would be stinted (you can call this Darwinian principles if you want). And surprisingly animals have some moral compass, to use your terms, and different cultures have differing magnetic north.
You said "And at the time we accept Christ into our lives, a true Christian is transformed in mind and heart to be loving, compassionate and kind to others, just as Jesus was." so do you mean to say that before becoming a true Christian your heart was not loving, compassionate and kind? So did your compass not work straight out of the box?

As for Islam, I am a great believer that westernisation can win the day. Just as true (your term) fundamentalist (my term) Christianity is rare compared to the masses of tolerant and liberal Christians, so to will it be for Islam. There could only be two exceptions to that: either a deity kickstarts a war (Allah or Yahweh awake to call up the troops), or bad treatment and marginalisation tips one religion over the edge.
Personally I think we stand quite a risk of tipping moderate Muslims into freedom fighters, not because they were always programmed that way, but because we gave them no other option. And, since you mentioned the 10 commandments, how is that loving your neighbour as you love yourself?

Ironically you seem to be saying that Muslims are vile animals and should be segregated for embracing Islam. Again, I commend you to ponder deeply what yustr said.

truthseeker

1. Define fundamentalist

2. I am not talking about man made religion. I am talking about the source, the core and the foundation of Christianity, and that is Jesus. And anyone who studies the life of Jesus with an open mind will learn that His life was filled with peaceful teachings and love. And a true and genuine Christian will follow Jesus' example.

So I am not talking about those people who go off the track and create their own man made religion of man made rules and regulations which can lead to problems.

The main objective of a Christian is to become like Jesus, and to be peaceful, loving, kind, empathic, sympathetic. Anyone who claims to be Christian but does not live like Jesus is not truly following Jesus in the first place, instead they follow their own lust for power and authority.

If anyone wants an accurate indication of Christianity, then the person needs to look at Jesus, and how he lived and what he taught.

If I am honest, I will admit that the Church is like a hospital, filled with sick sinners. But what's important to keep in mind, is to focus on the Healer, the Doctor as a true indicator for Christianity.

And this is why I am a Christian and not a Muslim. When I look at the life of Jesus I see love and kindness and peace, but when I look at the life of Mohammed I see war, hatred, crimes and paedophile activities.

So it's clear why I follow Jesus and not Mohammed.

truthseeker

1. You say Christianity doesn't work very well and all Christians reflect Jesus poorly. But I strongly disagree. I was an alcoholic, drug user and had no peace, hope or joy in my life and I was suicidal. And even though deep in my heart I knew the importance of being kind to others, I wasn't, and instead a very nasty person.

But then at the age of 33 I heard about Jesus and His unconditional love and acceptance of me. That news changed my life, and I have never drank alcohol or touched drugs again, and I now have hope and peace in my life, something which I never had before. And Christianity works for millions of people so you cannot generalise and say it doesn't work. And when Jesus returns, all those who trusted in Him will be given the ultimate reward of entering paradise. And what about Mother Teresa, do you think she was a poor reflection of Jesus when she gave up everything to help others?

2. I also recommend you ponder what I have said and deeply consider your decisions in life. For life is short and when Jesus returns, you will either have accepted Him or rejected Him. Be careful of your choice, it has eternal significance.