Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course - Page 3

**jcgriff2** · 06-09-2008, 09:46 PM

Actually, the "criminality" of the flying public began on November 24, 1971, with the infamous "D. B. Cooper" episode (as so-dubbed by the press). Prior to that, one could fly under an assumed name, no luggage check, etc... no restrictions within the US.

As for Bush - speaking now of former President George Herbert Walker Bush, that is - he pounded the final nail in the demise of the Warsaw Pact Countries that started with the Soviet Revolution in 1917. As for current President George Walker Bush... I must simply say that if someone put a contract out (a "hit") on my daddy and I had the US Military at my disposal - I may not necessarily have gone into Iraq the way he did, but you better believe that I would have covertly sent a few thousand cruise missiles in to do the job, thereby taking the threat out.

Now for 9/11 - the fault lies without a doubt with former President William Jefferson Clinton. If he had retaliated and invaded Afghanistan after the March 4, 1994, bombing of the World Trade Center instead of a widely-publicized cruise missile attack, 9/11 may very well have been prevented. To blame a President (G. W. Bush) in office just over 7 months at the time for a disaster of epidemic proportions that was years in the making is simply unfair. He did the right thing by full and immediate retaliation. As you know, our great military troops along with our Allies did in 2 months what the Soviets could not do in 8 years in Afghanistan - although granted the US was covertly involved.

Furthermore, I think you should visit the many Great Countries that you mentioned - as they are just that - Very Great Countries - in my book, anyway.

As for the rest... no new car, GPS, etc... here you are somehow on the Internet and I'll be glad to have someone tell you your IP and general or even specific location down to the room in your house if you would like!

yustr · 06-09-2008, 11:32 PM

Here's an idea: thumb drives are cheap. Let's have George Soros buy a few million - load them up with pictures of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - then put strong encryption on them - then hand them to everyone boarding a plane bound for the US. Upon arrival all passengers turn them over to the NSA for "review". "No I don't have a laptop but this Arab guy handed me this..." They'll soon be so swamped that they'll soon forget this idiotic plan. We could have overwhelmed Bush's criminal eavesdropping on telephone calls the same way - publish a list of contact overseas and have each of make a few dozen calls each day.

And yes, JC, I said Bush's criminal scheme. It's too late to try to lay blame on Clinton or anyone else for that matter. Sure Clinton could have done more but the damage done by the hijackers - as tragic as it was - pales in comparison to the damage that Bush and his cronies have done to our country.

Lives can be resurrected. Buildings can be rebuilt. But my gut tells me that we are witness to the beginning of the final chapter of the American experiment. It will be a long chapter for sure but history will show that it was Bush who was the one who pushed us over the precipice and accelerated the long decline.

jbsconsultllc · 06-09-2008, 11:57 PM

This really sucks - We voted these a-holes in - now let's vote them OUT.............................

SPEAK UP AMERICA

bry623 · 06-10-2008, 07:44 AM

Yustr, you're assuming the average NSA screener can read at higher than a third grade level.

**Drew1369** · 06-10-2008, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yustr

Lives can be resurrected. Buildings can be rebuilt. But my gut tells me that we are witness to the beginning of the final chapter of the American experiment. It will be a long chapter for sure but history will show that it was Bush who was the one who pushed us over the precipice and accelerated the long decline.

As I have stated to a few wide eyed friends... civil war... within the next 50 years. (well now 46 years)

No empire has ever withstood the test of time. Now that statement is a bit of a misnomer because no one government in history has withstood the test of time.

Just like the human race, the U.S. was doomed from the begining.

By writing down our rights on a piece of paper, you have just limited them. An argument I have come to see in the past month.

**sobeit** · 06-10-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zineeditor

I am TOTALLY OUTRAGED at what this country has turned into!!! I don't know who to blame completely?? All I know is that this garbage all started with Bush going into office and 9/11. Frankly I think they used that event as an excuse to push all that Homeland Security and Patriot Act agenda onto us especially considering the fact that the agenda was in the works before 9/11 ever happened!!!
I had made plans to spend quite some time in Europe. I even wanted to visit Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. Now all that is changed. I'm not going anywhere unless it's to live in a ghost town!!! I will not subject myself to the outrageous invasion of my person and property to travel by plane by the likes of those fascists-minded bozos. I will never go along with their program!!! No new car. I don't want to be tracked by GPS. No nothing in my own name. I use other peoples' library cards. Pay cash only. No nothing to track me like a dog. This is an OUTRAGE!!! No clothes with tags inside to track me. You do know that some companies are doing that now. All this stuff is a total invasion of our privacy and freedoms and it has nothing to do really with tracking down our enemies. One has to wonder if we shouldn't be more worried about enemies closer to home! This is not an America that I recognize anymore. I keep telling myself I must be in a nightmare and this is the Twilight Zone or I died and went to hell and don't know it yet.

None of it should be happening in America!

sorry its too late, besides the goverment cannot track you or they would be violating googles and microsofts copyright.

*Richard* · 06-10-2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

quit injecting logic... it has no place here

Hi,
I'm new here and don't want to get off on the wrong foot, so I do hope you were joking? 'Cos I most certainly was!

Richard

**EnglishPaul** · 06-10-2008, 10:14 AM

Hi *Richard*, welcome to TSF

@Drew1369: Did you mean civil war, or world war? As an ignorant international observer I am curious as to what lines a civil war would spilt across.

**Drew1369** · 06-10-2008, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Richard*

Hi,
I'm new here and don't want to get off on the wrong foot, so I do hope you were joking? 'Cos I most certainly was!

Richard

It was a joke ;)

**Drew1369** · 06-10-2008, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

@Drew1369: Did you mean civil war, or world war? As an ignorant international observer I am curious as to what lines a civil war would spilt across.

Red vs Blue (not HALO) Our country has become so divided along political lines that something is going to set off the group which is not in power at the time... albeit moving to close to communism, or to close to fascism. Taking away all rights to own guns, or not giving enough welfare.

**EnglishPaul** · 06-10-2008, 12:01 PM

My reading of Britain is that we are politically apathetic, and as such are more likely to slip in to anarchy rather than some form of ideology; rebel against the state because the state takes our liberties, not fight towards a different agenda.
Thinking aloud: Perhaps that is the end result of pragmatism; having been a superpower we have had to move to a pragmatic line to stay in the game (and perhaps to appease our old colonies). But too much pragmatism leads to apathy as most things are seen as tolerated, and truth becomes relative not absolute as in ideologies.
American idealism gets you into messes like Iraq, and our pragmatism tags us into the mess.
Who is better off I wouldn't care to guess. I think you have more chance of hope. I think you have further to fall.

Still thinking aloud: We all want to be individuals within a society; but I wonder if the two are opposed. As individuals we want to run our own life and not be interfered with. Yet the way society appears to be held together is by a certain amount of interference. So, they want to look through our computers to see that we are not terrorists; we want to be assured that everyone else around us is not a terrorist. The time such interference is going to really hurt me is if I'm a terrorist. If I want to never be checked at the airport I have to be content with travelling next to a terrorist. And if we were all more pragmatic maybe less people would want to terrorise us; but maybe more countries would consider invading.

Do nothing. Its the choice that can't be wrong, and paradoxically often is.

*Richard* · 06-10-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

It was a joke ;)

Phew! I was going to ditch my thumb drive, delete my docs and flee the country! I thought I might have too boldly (is that how it's spelt?) gone ...

Anyway, thanks for the welcomes and back to the debate.

R.

zineeditor · 06-24-2008, 11:15 AM

@jc griff2

Good policy to never use a computer in my one's own name nor have a net service in one's own name. Now if they want to find someone where they're located that person could slip out in several directions or hide out in several locations right under their noses. However it they're using some of that heat seeking location equipment and can find a person's body one could simply have a show down. I think it would be wisest to find a remote location to be left the hell alone. Of course you'd think they had the brains to leave people alone who simply want to be left alone. However, I doubt that seriously. Powers that be are worse than a bunch of gossipy types hanging over a fence with the mentality of Joseph McCarthy. Everything now sucks BIGTIME!

**Fox** · 06-25-2008, 06:32 AM

If you guys haven't seen this yet, you might find it interesting:

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?s...10206&from=rss

**jcgriff2** · 06-26-2008, 05:03 PM

Well, we already have shoe inspections while waiting in the TSA lines because of a prior event, so why not laptops, watches, PDA, etc... It is inevitable. Look at the security in place by EL-AL.

This is the reason that I fly commercially as little as possible and take military transports whenever I can. Then there is driving - nothing like a quick drive from New Jersey to California (3,000 miles) to pick up dinner... not to mention the ability to cover 120 miles in 1 hour out west with few repercussions!

jcgriff2

06-09-2008, 09:46 PM	#41 (permalink)
jcgriff2 Moderator, Microsoft Support Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,153 OS: Vista SP1 x64, x86 / XP SP3 Pro, Media, Home / IBM TSO/ISPF My System	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course Actually, the "criminality" of the flying public began on November 24, 1971, with the infamous "D. B. Cooper" episode (as so-dubbed by the press). Prior to that, one could fly under an assumed name, no luggage check, etc... no restrictions within the US. As for Bush - speaking now of former President George Herbert Walker Bush, that is - he pounded the final nail in the demise of the Warsaw Pact Countries that started with the Soviet Revolution in 1917. As for current President George Walker Bush... I must simply say that if someone put a contract out (a "hit") on my daddy and I had the US Military at my disposal - I may not necessarily have gone into Iraq the way he did, but you better believe that I would have covertly sent a few thousand cruise missiles in to do the job, thereby taking the threat out. Now for 9/11 - the fault lies without a doubt with former President William Jefferson Clinton. If he had retaliated and invaded Afghanistan after the March 4, 1994, bombing of the World Trade Center instead of a widely-publicized cruise missile attack, 9/11 may very well have been prevented. To blame a President (G. W. Bush) in office just over 7 months at the time for a disaster of epidemic proportions that was years in the making is simply unfair. He did the right thing by full and immediate retaliation. As you know, our great military troops along with our Allies did in 2 months what the Soviets could not do in 8 years in Afghanistan - although granted the US was covertly involved. Furthermore, I think you should visit the many Great Countries that you mentioned - as they are just that - Very Great Countries - in my book, anyway. As for the rest... no new car, GPS, etc... here you are somehow on the Internet and I'll be glad to have someone tell you your IP and general or even specific location down to the room in your house if you would like! __________________ SysInternals Suite • BSOD Bugchecks • Media Fire • Belarc Advisor • MS TechNet • MS NTDE/CPR MSDN Err Cds • Everest Home v2.20 • CCleaner • Memtest86+ • MS Help & Support Live SysInternals AutoRuns • Auslogics Defrag • McAfee RT • Norton RT • Kaspersky RT • MS One Care RT If you were expecting a reply from me and I have not yet done so, please send me a PM with a link to your thread.

06-09-2008, 11:32 PM	#42 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 4,993 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course Here's an idea: thumb drives are cheap. Let's have George Soros buy a few million - load them up with pictures of the Constitution and Bill of Rights - then put strong encryption on them - then hand them to everyone boarding a plane bound for the US. Upon arrival all passengers turn them over to the NSA for "review". "No I don't have a laptop but this Arab guy handed me this..." They'll soon be so swamped that they'll soon forget this idiotic plan. We could have overwhelmed Bush's criminal eavesdropping on telephone calls the same way - publish a list of contact overseas and have each of make a few dozen calls each day. And yes, JC, I said Bush's criminal scheme. It's too late to try to lay blame on Clinton or anyone else for that matter. Sure Clinton could have done more but the damage done by the hijackers - as tragic as it was - pales in comparison to the damage that Bush and his cronies have done to our country. Lives can be resurrected. Buildings can be rebuilt. But my gut tells me that we are witness to the beginning of the final chapter of the American experiment. It will be a long chapter for sure but history will show that it was Bush who was the one who pushed us over the precipice and accelerated the long decline. __________________ I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry In Vino Veritas

06-09-2008, 11:57 PM	#43 (permalink)
jbsconsultllc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CT. Posts: 15 OS: XP SP3	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course This really sucks - We voted these a-holes in - now let's vote them OUT............................. SPEAK UP AMERICA

06-10-2008, 07:44 AM	#44 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,621 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course Yustr, you're assuming the average NSA screener can read at higher than a third grade level. __________________ "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." -Ronald Reagan

06-10-2008, 10:14 AM	#48 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,076 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course Hi Richard, welcome to TSF @Drew1369: Did you mean civil war, or world war? As an ignorant international observer I am curious as to what lines a civil war would spilt across.

06-10-2008, 12:01 PM	#51 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,076 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course My reading of Britain is that we are politically apathetic, and as such are more likely to slip in to anarchy rather than some form of ideology; rebel against the state because the state takes our liberties, not fight towards a different agenda. Thinking aloud: Perhaps that is the end result of pragmatism; having been a superpower we have had to move to a pragmatic line to stay in the game (and perhaps to appease our old colonies). But too much pragmatism leads to apathy as most things are seen as tolerated, and truth becomes relative not absolute as in ideologies. American idealism gets you into messes like Iraq, and our pragmatism tags us into the mess. Who is better off I wouldn't care to guess. I think you have more chance of hope. I think you have further to fall. Still thinking aloud: We all want to be individuals within a society; but I wonder if the two are opposed. As individuals we want to run our own life and not be interfered with. Yet the way society appears to be held together is by a certain amount of interference. So, they want to look through our computers to see that we are not terrorists; we want to be assured that everyone else around us is not a terrorist. The time such interference is going to really hurt me is if I'm a terrorist. If I want to never be checked at the airport I have to be content with travelling next to a terrorist. And if we were all more pragmatic maybe less people would want to terrorise us; but maybe more countries would consider invading. Do nothing. Its the choice that can't be wrong, and paradoxically often is. Last edited by EnglishPaul : 06-10-2008 at 12:02 PM.

06-24-2008, 11:15 AM	#53 (permalink)
zineeditor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 69 OS: WindowsXP	Re: Attention all Travelers to the US - You are a criminal, of course @jc griff2 Good policy to never use a computer in my one's own name nor have a net service in one's own name. Now if they want to find someone where they're located that person could slip out in several directions or hide out in several locations right under their noses. However it they're using some of that heat seeking location equipment and can find a person's body one could simply have a show down. I think it would be wisest to find a remote location to be left the hell alone. Of course you'd think they had the brains to leave people alone who simply want to be left alone. However, I doubt that seriously. Powers that be are worse than a bunch of gossipy types hanging over a fence with the mentality of Joseph McCarthy. Everything now sucks BIGTIME!

06-25-2008, 06:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
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