Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet

mimo2005 · 04-30-2008, 01:18 PM

Struggling with mounting debt and rising prices, faced with the toughest economic times since the early 1990s, Americans are selling prized possessions online and at flea markets at alarming rates.

Full article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/..._out_the_attic

yustr · 04-30-2008, 05:48 PM

Where are all the Bush apologists now?

mimo2005 · 04-30-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yustr

Where are all the Bush apologists now?

At the flea market.....

**Drew1369** · 05-01-2008, 02:11 AM

Yup... its Bush's fault people didn't have savings account... its Bush's fault that you decided to invest your money into high risk investments... its Bush's fault you lost your job...

Because we all know the President is the sole power of the government...

mimo2005 · 05-01-2008, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

Yup... its Bush's fault people didn't have savings account... its Bush's fault that you decided to invest your money into high risk investments... its Bush's fault you lost your job...

Because we all know the President is the sole power of the government...

The Bush Legacy: $20 - $120

So what will we remember of George W. Bush?

* September 11, 2001
* The Patriot Act
* The Afghan War
* The Iraqi Quagmire
* Torture
* Water Boarding
* Abu Ghraib
* Falsified intelligence
* Suppression of climate science
* Sinking economy
* Soaring gas prices
* Sinking public opinion
* The Katrina debacle
* Cheney shooting someone in the face
* Wire Tapping
* Loss of Habeas Corpus
* Veto of stem cell bill
* Inflation
* Fiat printing money/Dollar devaluation
* Rising unemployment
* Firing of U.S. Attorneys
* Alberto Gonzalez
* Scooter Libby
* Enron
* Tyco
* Blackwater
* Bear stearns/CFC
* Deleted Emails
* Faith Based Initiatives

he'll be remembered as one of the worst presidents in American history and the one who bankrupted our country , is that enough for ya?

**Drew1369** · 05-01-2008, 02:20 PM

See... you think that all those are bad... I don't see all as bad... some yes... but all, no. I will divulge alittle more when I get home from work

zineeditor · 05-10-2008, 12:27 PM

@Mimo2005
You forgot one thing. He looks like Alfred E. Neuman.
I'm counting the months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds for that bozo to be out of office. Then start worrying about the next one.

**-=Rousseau=-** · 05-11-2008, 03:07 AM

You honestly believe that Bush is responsible for the supposed use of torture? Not everything goes straight to the top, you've got to find evidence on that one before filing accusations. Falsified intelligence? Wrong intelligence can be an option... Not always a binary - lying or correct. Suppression of climate science? Big f'n woop. Al's done enough blabbering about it all to do us all in. Bush is responsible for Enron? What planet are you from? I think Enron was caused by greedy executives... Oh, and Bush can do diddly squat as far as controlling the economy is concerned. The Fed controls the economy much more than the Federal Government, and the Fed is very independent. Bush isn't the chairman of the Fed BOG - nor does he actually have infinite power over the Federal government...

Basically, 75% of the stuff on that list is not at all related to Bush's doings, but to the many other factors going on. The president of the US does not set oil prices - OPEC and the oil companies do. And OPEC has the stronger control... The factors behind the rising prices is increased demand - India and China are quickly rising in their use of oil - the US demand isn't shrinking either. Add to that the fact of peak oil. The war may have had some effect in rising the cost of oil as well, but any response to 9/11 would have had the same result - sad truth is, most of the known terrorists reside in the Middle East where the oil is. OPEC is controlled by middle eastern nations, which would explain that effect. (I can't imagine a response to 9/11 that did not entail some violence. Diplomacy does not work so well with people who are willing to fly themselves into buildings in order to kill you.)

Not that I'm a fan of Bush, but it's much too easy and socially popular to bash him these days. Accusing him of causing problems that are for the most part out of his control is silly. If he signed a letter of some sort or otherwise acted in authorizing torture, then accusing him of being responsible makes sense - but otherwise it is just a baseless accusation. Same with the other items...

Judging by most of today's students, he will most likely just be forgotten within 20-30 years... Like most people know a lot about Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or any of the other presidents besides Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, and the few other obviously huge historical figures

.

mimo2005 · 05-11-2008, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -=Rousseau=-

You honestly believe that Bush is responsible for the supposed use of torture?

.

He denied it at first , and admited finally that he signed the ok to torture people.
He is the one who said so , not me.

simpswr · 05-11-2008, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimo2005

He denied it at first , and admited finally that he signed the ok to torture people.
He is the one who said so , not me.

. . and you beleived him . . .

mimo2005 · 05-11-2008, 06:12 AM

Reverse psychology?

bry623 · 05-11-2008, 05:18 PM

Torture is not the topic here people.....

It is sad about that. I have been blaming it on gas prices for years.

simpswr · 05-11-2008, 05:29 PM

W agreed to allow torture so that gas prices would go up?? . . . pure genius!!

**EnglishPaul** · 05-12-2008, 11:46 AM

I thought gas prices going up was torture!

simpswr · 05-12-2008, 03:27 PM

Not for the OIl Producing countires . .

**EnglishPaul** · 05-12-2008, 03:39 PM

Like Texas???

Where is the Bush travesty, sorry, dynasty from again?

simpswr · 05-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Connecticut . . . We do not claim him down here . . Barbara, yes . . W . . not even

04-30-2008, 01:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,254 OS: xp	Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Struggling with mounting debt and rising prices, faced with the toughest economic times since the early 1990s, Americans are selling prized possessions online and at flea markets at alarming rates. Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/..._out_the_attic __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005 : 04-30-2008 at 04:33 PM.

04-30-2008, 05:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,342 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Where are all the Bush apologists now? __________________ I'm helping in the fight against Cancer, YOU CAN TOO find out how; CLICK HERE The conservative right is neither. (With apologies to the moral majority[sic])

05-01-2008, 02:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 1,850 OS: Vista Business	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Yup... its Bush's fault people didn't have savings account... its Bush's fault that you decided to invest your money into high risk investments... its Bush's fault you lost your job... Because we all know the President is the sole power of the government... __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

05-01-2008, 02:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 1,850 OS: Vista Business	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet See... you think that all those are bad... I don't see all as bad... some yes... but all, no. I will divulge alittle more when I get home from work __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

05-10-2008, 12:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
zineeditor Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 50 OS: WindowsXP	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet @Mimo2005 You forgot one thing. He looks like Alfred E. Neuman. I'm counting the months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds for that bozo to be out of office. Then start worrying about the next one.

05-11-2008, 03:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
-=Rousseau=- Where Was I? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 641 OS: Windows Vista Home Premium My System	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet You honestly believe that Bush is responsible for the supposed use of torture? Not everything goes straight to the top, you've got to find evidence on that one before filing accusations. Falsified intelligence? Wrong intelligence can be an option... Not always a binary - lying or correct. Suppression of climate science? Big f'n woop. Al's done enough blabbering about it all to do us all in. Bush is responsible for Enron? What planet are you from? I think Enron was caused by greedy executives... Oh, and Bush can do diddly squat as far as controlling the economy is concerned. The Fed controls the economy much more than the Federal Government, and the Fed is very independent. Bush isn't the chairman of the Fed BOG - nor does he actually have infinite power over the Federal government... Basically, 75% of the stuff on that list is not at all related to Bush's doings, but to the many other factors going on. The president of the US does not set oil prices - OPEC and the oil companies do. And OPEC has the stronger control... The factors behind the rising prices is increased demand - India and China are quickly rising in their use of oil - the US demand isn't shrinking either. Add to that the fact of peak oil. The war may have had some effect in rising the cost of oil as well, but any response to 9/11 would have had the same result - sad truth is, most of the known terrorists reside in the Middle East where the oil is. OPEC is controlled by middle eastern nations, which would explain that effect. (I can't imagine a response to 9/11 that did not entail some violence. Diplomacy does not work so well with people who are willing to fly themselves into buildings in order to kill you.) Not that I'm a fan of Bush, but it's much too easy and socially popular to bash him these days. Accusing him of causing problems that are for the most part out of his control is silly. If he signed a letter of some sort or otherwise acted in authorizing torture, then accusing him of being responsible makes sense - but otherwise it is just a baseless accusation. Same with the other items... Judging by most of today's students, he will most likely just be forgotten within 20-30 years... Like most people know a lot about Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, or any of the other presidents besides Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, and the few other obviously huge historical figures . Last edited by -=Rousseau=- : 05-11-2008 at 03:08 AM.

05-11-2008, 06:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,254 OS: xp	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Reverse psychology? __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

05-11-2008, 05:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,235 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Torture is not the topic here people..... It is sad about that. I have been blaming it on gas prices for years. __________________ FOLLOW THE RULES!

05-11-2008, 05:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
simpswr hardware tech Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,579 OS: XP, Vista	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet W agreed to allow torture so that gas prices would go up?? . . . pure genius!! __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BIOS \| BenchTest \| Spyware Cleaning \| How to Post a Screen shot

05-12-2008, 11:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 739 OS: XP SP2	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet I thought gas prices going up was torture!

05-12-2008, 03:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
simpswr hardware tech Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,579 OS: XP, Vista	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Not for the OIl Producing countires . . __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BIOS \| BenchTest \| Spyware Cleaning \| How to Post a Screen shot

05-12-2008, 03:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 739 OS: XP SP2	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Like Texas??? Where is the Bush travesty, sorry, dynasty from again?

05-12-2008, 04:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
simpswr hardware tech Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 2,579 OS: XP, Vista	Re: Americans unload prized belongings to make ends meet Connecticut . . . We do not claim him down here . . Barbara, yes . . W . . not even __________________ Rich <