Candidates

Rodomantade · 04-03-2008, 08:16 PM

Is it just me, or do all the '08 presidential candidates suck? I know we don't have a Dem. frontrunner yet, but neither on of them is appealing. I have a history of voting Republican and am a registered one. I tend to be a moderate conservative. I was in the military and I hate McCain's platform on Iraq. He wants to send 100,000 more troops to Iraq over a ten year period! The ones there now are on their third and even fourth tours. I am extremely unimpressed with Obama's take on issues as well. And Hillary... I don't need to start on her. I'm not pleased by the turn of events. I'm not sure if I will vote this year.

**manic** · 04-03-2008, 08:49 PM

I too am unimpressed. I probably wont vote either. Sad day when we
cannot come up with a viable candidate to run for president. Im npa,
but tend to lean to the democrat side, but vote for what I and who
I feel is right for the job. No matter who is going to get elected
remember this, we will not leave iraq any time soon, that quagmire
will be another south korea, germany,turkey, take your pick. We
must stay to guard the oil fields. The weapons of mass destruction
excuse doesnt fly any more., nor does the fighting for iraqi freedom,
nor does the war on terror, or the hunt for Osama, yes Osama the
guy respondsible for 911, not Saddam Hussien or iraq. Its always been
about the oil, for which us as common Americans dont gain one iota
from...we just die for it.
Vote for none of above in 2009!

**sobeit** · 04-04-2008, 07:29 AM

imo, anyone who does not vote loses their right to criticize.

**Drew1369** · 04-04-2008, 11:44 AM

If you don't vote, you can't complain... so write your name, or a parents or friends name down for president...

**Chode** · 04-04-2008, 03:47 PM

Let's not forget all the other parts of the process that make up politics. It isn't just about voting; it's about being willing to invest time, effort, and even money to support your beliefs, and to help elect people who advance your interests. Like anything else worth having, you have to work to get good candidates and get them elected.

Rodomantade & Manic, if you can't even get involved enough to vote, I know you didn't spend any time in the trenches. In my county, 16.04 % of voters are registered Democrats, 83.67% are Republicans, and 0.29% are independents. So it isn't like trying to support the Democratic Party around here isn't tough most of the time, but I do it because it matters to me. If you think all the current candidates suck, I'd say that perception is just a reflection of your attitudes.

Tumbleweed36 · 04-04-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

In my county, 16.04 % of voters are registered Democrats, 83.67% are Republicans, and 0.29% are independents.

Hey Chode, at least (I don't know what country you are from) your country got it right with how they are registered.

Now, don't get serious on me, I was only kidding!

**Chode** · 04-04-2008, 04:29 PM

I'm up in the Texas Panhandle where people are outnumbered by cattle and oil wells both. In fact, wind turbines are coming up fast on the outside and may pass humans in a few years.

**manic** · 04-04-2008, 05:18 PM

Cant get involved, dont assume that, Ive been voting for over 30yrs.
I do invest time, but for what, if you think these candidates are of
my choosing you are wrong. There the best money can buy I suppose.

**sobeit** · 04-04-2008, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chode

I'm up in the Texas Panhandle where people are outnumbered by cattle and oil wells both. In fact, wind turbines are coming up fast on the outside and may pass humans in a few years.

I thought cattle in texas had the right to vote.

Tumbleweed36 · 04-05-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sobeit

I thought cattle in texas had the right to vote.

Only if registered Democrats.

**Chode** · 04-05-2008, 07:13 AM

We are also blessed with a very strong fundamentalist, mostly Baptist religious community. And right along with all these good old conservative values, we have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the state and the highest rate of mothers who smoke throughout their pregnancy in the entire state.

**sobeit** · 04-05-2008, 07:27 AM

must be southern baptist :-)

Tumbleweed36 · 04-05-2008, 09:39 AM

Chode,

Well, guess we will have to try McCain.

You sent us your best (Bush & Bush), and now we need to try the rest.

RedScott · 04-07-2008, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

If you don't vote, you can't complain... so write your name, or a parents or friends name down for president...

That's a nice thing to say, but if none of the candidates proposed by the majority of people represent you then your vote is useless anyway. Are you suggesting the minority has no right to question their government?

**Drew1369** · 04-07-2008, 03:41 PM

Its just an old saying... I'm surprised you never heard it

**Chode** · 04-07-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

Chode,

Well, guess we will have to try McCain.

You sent us your best (Bush & Bush), and now we need to try the rest.

Actually, the depressing thing about all this is that Bush wasn't a terrible Governor. He was failry moderate, and worked well with many Democrats as well as Republicans. However, during his run for the Presidency, he moved to the right a bunch, and has been very, very faithful to that wing of the party. The sad thing is that McCain seems to be doing the same.

And, BTW, LBJ was our best.

Tumbleweed36 · 04-07-2008, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chode

And, BTW, LBJ was our best.

Even with the "Gulf of Tonkin" fiasco?

**Chode** · 04-07-2008, 07:29 PM

Certainly. A monumental piece of bad judgment thinking that he could muster support for the war by lying to America, and a lesson to all later politicians that the real interests of the nation are never furthered by falsehoods and distortions, particularly where the lives of U.S. servicemen are at risk.

But, realizing that his policy in Vietnam was a failure, he subsequently declined to run for a second term and began the process of extricating America from Vietnam. He also championed the Civil Rights movement even though he was well aware of how this would damage the Democratic Party's support in the South and among conservative Americans.

04-03-2008, 08:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rodomantade Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14 OS: XP	Candidates Is it just me, or do all the '08 presidential candidates suck? I know we don't have a Dem. frontrunner yet, but neither on of them is appealing. I have a history of voting Republican and am a registered one. I tend to be a moderate conservative. I was in the military and I hate McCain's platform on Iraq. He wants to send 100,000 more troops to Iraq over a ten year period! The ones there now are on their third and even fourth tours. I am extremely unimpressed with Obama's take on issues as well. And Hillary... I don't need to start on her. I'm not pleased by the turn of events. I'm not sure if I will vote this year.

04-03-2008, 08:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
manic Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,260 OS: xp	Re: Candidates I too am unimpressed. I probably wont vote either. Sad day when we cannot come up with a viable candidate to run for president. Im npa, but tend to lean to the democrat side, but vote for what I and who I feel is right for the job. No matter who is going to get elected remember this, we will not leave iraq any time soon, that quagmire will be another south korea, germany,turkey, take your pick. We must stay to guard the oil fields. The weapons of mass destruction excuse doesnt fly any more., nor does the fighting for iraqi freedom, nor does the war on terror, or the hunt for Osama, yes Osama the guy respondsible for 911, not Saddam Hussien or iraq. Its always been about the oil, for which us as common Americans dont gain one iota from...we just die for it. Vote for none of above in 2009! __________________

04-04-2008, 07:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 5,409 OS: windows/linux	Re: Candidates imo, anyone who does not vote loses their right to criticize. __________________ Do not feed the trolls.

04-04-2008, 11:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,315 OS: Vista Business	Re: Candidates If you don't vote, you can't complain... so write your name, or a parents or friends name down for president... __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

04-04-2008, 03:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 809 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Candidates Let's not forget all the other parts of the process that make up politics. It isn't just about voting; it's about being willing to invest time, effort, and even money to support your beliefs, and to help elect people who advance your interests. Like anything else worth having, you have to work to get good candidates and get them elected. Rodomantade & Manic, if you can't even get involved enough to vote, I know you didn't spend any time in the trenches. In my county, 16.04 % of voters are registered Democrats, 83.67% are Republicans, and 0.29% are independents. So it isn't like trying to support the Democratic Party around here isn't tough most of the time, but I do it because it matters to me. If you think all the current candidates suck, I'd say that perception is just a reflection of your attitudes. __________________ Sweet!

04-04-2008, 04:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 809 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Candidates I'm up in the Texas Panhandle where people are outnumbered by cattle and oil wells both. In fact, wind turbines are coming up fast on the outside and may pass humans in a few years. __________________ Sweet!

04-04-2008, 05:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
manic Mentor Hardware Team Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,260 OS: xp	Re: Candidates Cant get involved, dont assume that, Ive been voting for over 30yrs. I do invest time, but for what, if you think these candidates are of my choosing you are wrong. There the best money can buy I suppose. __________________

04-05-2008, 07:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 809 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Candidates We are also blessed with a very strong fundamentalist, mostly Baptist religious community. And right along with all these good old conservative values, we have one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the state and the highest rate of mothers who smoke throughout their pregnancy in the entire state. __________________ Sweet!

04-05-2008, 07:27 AM	#12 (permalink)
sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 5,409 OS: windows/linux	Re: Candidates must be southern baptist :-) __________________ Do not feed the trolls.

04-05-2008, 09:39 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 14,171 OS: XP Professional	Re: Candidates Chode, Well, guess we will have to try McCain. You sent us your best (Bush & Bush), and now we need to try the rest. __________________ ----------

04-07-2008, 03:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,315 OS: Vista Business	Re: Candidates Its just an old saying... I'm surprised you never heard it __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!

04-07-2008, 07:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 809 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Candidates Certainly. A monumental piece of bad judgment thinking that he could muster support for the war by lying to America, and a lesson to all later politicians that the real interests of the nation are never furthered by falsehoods and distortions, particularly where the lives of U.S. servicemen are at risk. But, realizing that his policy in Vietnam was a failure, he subsequently declined to run for a second term and began the process of extricating America from Vietnam. He also championed the Civil Rights movement even though he was well aware of how this would damage the Democratic Party's support in the South and among conservative Americans. __________________ Sweet!