Judas

**Wozer** · 03-23-2008, 06:57 AM

wow...it is apparent that some people just don't get the big picture...

James Carville's recent comparison of Bill Richardson to Judas just proves my point, and on this Easter morning I just have to put the picture straight...

yes, according to scripture Judas turned in Jesus for 30 pieces of silver...

but lets take a deep breath, a nice Thalamic pause, and clear our heads of our prejudices...

Jesus was the Son of Man (or son of God if you prefer)...he was according to common belief the Savior and therefor was 'all knowing'...hence he knew Judas would do what he did...and that was all part of the 'plan'...if Judas had not 'turned Jesus in' then history would most likely be a bit different...reading the story of the Last Supper it is apparent that Jesus basically commanded Judas to do what he did..

we should all be aware that Martyrs stand out far more than those that live a 'normal' life...by this logic Jesus' crucifixion was 'necessary' and again part of the 'plan'...His words have survived through the centuries and many still try to live by them...would this be the same if he had lived his life out 'normally'? I for one say no, they wouldn't have...

by the above logic it should be clear that Judas was for all intensive purposes doing God's bidding, and therefor to use him as a term to bash others with is a contradiction in terms of monumental proportions....

on this Easter Sunday I challenge the readers of this post to spend some time reading the words of Jesus...pay attention...then perhaps take the time to read the other parts of the New Testament where Paul/Saul/the anti-christ who had an epileptic fit on the road to Damascus twists the words of Jesus to his own ends...

the words "turn the other cheek" are widely misinterpreted....act out the scenario as Jesus phrases it with the caveat that there were no left handed people in that time (let me back that up...1: people cleaned their bumms with their left hand and ate with their right hand 2: the words dexter and sinister are from that period of time though not in Jesus native language...dexter = dexterity = right handed...sinister = evil = left handed)....

can anyone give a start as to what 'turn the other cheek' really means??????

**sobeit** · 03-23-2008, 07:01 AM

well, thats the way you believe and imo, you do not get the big picture either. at the same time you believe that I am not getting the whole picture so the reality is, to each their own...

**40sondacurb** · 03-23-2008, 07:47 AM

The man is not a lackey, you cannot fault him for that.

**Wozer** · 03-24-2008, 02:37 PM

must be a booooring subject...

acting out turn the cheek (right handed) results in the following: to hit you on YOUR right cheek a person (right handed) must back hand you...now that's a big insult in today's society, in Jesus' time that was the way 'masters' struck their slaves and the 'social elite' treated their 'inferiors'...by turning the other cheek they will have to punch you...if you were a slave and punched by your master you were just freed...if you were the town beggar and the mayor punched you, he has now recognized you as his equal with all the benefits...

turning the other cheek certainly doesn't mean to keep on taking it and taking it and taking it forever (though that certainly is the meaning most people would give most likely because they want to keep shafting you over and over and expect you to 'turn the other cheek' so that they might get away with it)

03-23-2008, 06:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Wozer TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 963 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	Judas wow...it is apparent that some people just don't get the big picture... James Carville's recent comparison of Bill Richardson to Judas just proves my point, and on this Easter morning I just have to put the picture straight... yes, according to scripture Judas turned in Jesus for 30 pieces of silver... but lets take a deep breath, a nice Thalamic pause, and clear our heads of our prejudices... Jesus was the Son of Man (or son of God if you prefer)...he was according to common belief the Savior and therefor was 'all knowing'...hence he knew Judas would do what he did...and that was all part of the 'plan'...if Judas had not 'turned Jesus in' then history would most likely be a bit different...reading the story of the Last Supper it is apparent that Jesus basically commanded Judas to do what he did.. we should all be aware that Martyrs stand out far more than those that live a 'normal' life...by this logic Jesus' crucifixion was 'necessary' and again part of the 'plan'...His words have survived through the centuries and many still try to live by them...would this be the same if he had lived his life out 'normally'? I for one say no, they wouldn't have... by the above logic it should be clear that Judas was for all intensive purposes doing God's bidding, and therefor to use him as a term to bash others with is a contradiction in terms of monumental proportions.... on this Easter Sunday I challenge the readers of this post to spend some time reading the words of Jesus...pay attention...then perhaps take the time to read the other parts of the New Testament where Paul/Saul/the anti-christ who had an epileptic fit on the road to Damascus twists the words of Jesus to his own ends... the words "turn the other cheek" are widely misinterpreted....act out the scenario as Jesus phrases it with the caveat that there were no left handed people in that time (let me back that up...1: people cleaned their bumms with their left hand and ate with their right hand 2: the words dexter and sinister are from that period of time though not in Jesus native language...dexter = dexterity = right handed...sinister = evil = left handed).... can anyone give a start as to what 'turn the other cheek' really means?????? __________________ Beware of the big 3 insurance companies in Texas! Read your policies carefully (maybe you'll need a lawyer) and enjoy the 6% increase in your rates you are about to receive from Allstate, Farmers & State Farm for most likely reduced coverage

03-23-2008, 07:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
sobeit Mentor Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 3,420 OS: windows/linux	Re: Judas well, thats the way you believe and imo, you do not get the big picture either. at the same time you believe that I am not getting the whole picture so the reality is, to each their own... __________________ Do not feed the trolls.

03-23-2008, 07:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
40sondacurb #64 & #36 BACKBONE Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,677 OS: xp	Re: Judas The man is not a lackey, you cannot fault him for that. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" -George W. Bush

03-24-2008, 02:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wozer TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 963 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	Re: Judas must be a booooring subject... acting out turn the cheek (right handed) results in the following: to hit you on YOUR right cheek a person (right handed) must back hand you...now that's a big insult in today's society, in Jesus' time that was the way 'masters' struck their slaves and the 'social elite' treated their 'inferiors'...by turning the other cheek they will have to punch you...if you were a slave and punched by your master you were just freed...if you were the town beggar and the mayor punched you, he has now recognized you as his equal with all the benefits... turning the other cheek certainly doesn't mean to keep on taking it and taking it and taking it forever (though that certainly is the meaning most people would give most likely because they want to keep shafting you over and over and expect you to 'turn the other cheek' so that they might get away with it) __________________ Beware of the big 3 insurance companies in Texas! Read your policies carefully (maybe you'll need a lawyer) and enjoy the 6% increase in your rates you are about to receive from Allstate, Farmers & State Farm for most likely reduced coverage