Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument

**Drew1369** · 03-18-2008, 03:48 AM

And now it comes down to what was really ment...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,338282,00.html

Quote:

The agitator at the center of this case is Dick Heller, a police officer for the federal government who in his job patrolling federal buildings carries a handgun. But D.C. law prohibits him and nearly every other resident from registering a handgun for personal use.

How odd... if the city was truly safe, then why does a police officer still need to carry a gun at all??? Oh thats right... CRIMINALS DON'T ABIDE BY LAWS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

I do guess in the end we should just pass a law that bans all crimes from being committed

**Chode** · 03-18-2008, 11:13 AM

Yeah, I'd say that the District would appear to be on thin legal ice with the ban. I'm surprised that there wasn't a serious challenge years ago. When I lived in Northern Virginia, I often had to go into the nastier parts of Northeast and Southeast D.C., and I have to say I don't think I could have carried enough firepower to make me feel secure, even in the daytime. Crooks and civilians both were already heavily armed and prepared to use their weapons. The ban is basically a joke from a practical standpoint.

**Drew1369** · 03-18-2008, 04:26 PM

And they begin

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/18/sco...rss_topstories

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Alan Gura, arguing against the ban on Tuesday before the court said the city "simply doesn't trust the people to protect themselves in their homes."

Is that what it really is with those that pass these laws... they don't trust normal people to protect themselves? I like that aurgument.

Perhaps I like this one as well...

That despite the 1990 case Minnesota Gov. Rudy Perpich vs. Department of Defense, where the Supreme Court ruled specifically that the National Guard is under federal orders and the state governor cannot object, the National Guard is still, in fact, a state militia.

**Wozer** · 03-18-2008, 06:29 PM

I really hate to say this...but...thank god Bush stacked the Supreme Court with staunch conservatives...taking the right to bear arms away from citizens would be the last straw....

if DC wins then its a sure sign that America as we know it is over....I'm quite sure out founding fathers understood that some time in the future a second revolution might be required....as Benjamin Franklin said "we've given you a great republic...now lets see if you can keep it"

anybody up for a million man march on DC with everyone armed to the teeth so that we can kick the corrupt politicos out?

bry623 · 03-19-2008, 06:44 AM

Looks like the court is going to uphold the right to bear arms, while giving states the right to regulate it.

**Chode** · 03-19-2008, 08:39 PM

Wozer, the legal interpretation of the Second Amendment on which D.C. bases its ban dates all the way back to a Supreme Court decision in 1939 on the right of an Arkansas bootlegger to carry a sawed-off shotgun across a state line. So, even if the Court upheld the ban, it would be an affirmation of the status quo. Of course, that ain't happenin'. What I'm really interested in is seeing how the court deals with the issue of reasonable regulation. Let's face it, the Court isn't going to write a decision that interprets the "right to keep and bear arms" as legalizing private ownership of thermonuclear devices and nerve agents.

yustr · 03-20-2008, 06:25 AM

My guess is they'll chicken out by saying something like: The 2nd Adm deals with State's and militias but since DC is not a State it can't have a militia so the 2nd Adm doesn't apply to them. They can do what they want to do.

03-18-2008, 11:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 657 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument Yeah, I'd say that the District would appear to be on thin legal ice with the ban. I'm surprised that there wasn't a serious challenge years ago. When I lived in Northern Virginia, I often had to go into the nastier parts of Northeast and Southeast D.C., and I have to say I don't think I could have carried enough firepower to make me feel secure, even in the daytime. Crooks and civilians both were already heavily armed and prepared to use their weapons. The ban is basically a joke from a practical standpoint. __________________ Sweet!

03-18-2008, 06:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Wozer TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 963 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	Re: Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument I really hate to say this...but...thank god Bush stacked the Supreme Court with staunch conservatives...taking the right to bear arms away from citizens would be the last straw.... if DC wins then its a sure sign that America as we know it is over....I'm quite sure out founding fathers understood that some time in the future a second revolution might be required....as Benjamin Franklin said "we've given you a great republic...now lets see if you can keep it" anybody up for a million man march on DC with everyone armed to the teeth so that we can kick the corrupt politicos out? __________________ Beware of the big 3 insurance companies in Texas! Read your policies carefully (maybe you'll need a lawyer) and enjoy the 6% increase in your rates you are about to receive from Allstate, Farmers & State Farm for most likely reduced coverage

03-19-2008, 06:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,356 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument Looks like the court is going to uphold the right to bear arms, while giving states the right to regulate it. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

03-19-2008, 08:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 657 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument Wozer, the legal interpretation of the Second Amendment on which D.C. bases its ban dates all the way back to a Supreme Court decision in 1939 on the right of an Arkansas bootlegger to carry a sawed-off shotgun across a state line. So, even if the Court upheld the ban, it would be an affirmation of the status quo. Of course, that ain't happenin'. What I'm really interested in is seeing how the court deals with the issue of reasonable regulation. Let's face it, the Court isn't going to write a decision that interprets the "right to keep and bear arms" as legalizing private ownership of thermonuclear devices and nerve agents. __________________ Sweet!

03-20-2008, 06:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore/California Desert Posts: 4,435 OS: PCLinuxOS, XP Pro My System	Re: Gun Control Advocates, Opponents Prepare for Supreme Court Argument My guess is they'll chicken out by saying something like: The 2nd Adm deals with State's and militias but since DC is not a State it can't have a militia so the 2nd Adm doesn't apply to them. They can do what they want to do. __________________ I'm helping in the fight against Cancer, YOU CAN TOO find out how; CLICK HERE I didn't mean to say it. But I meant what I said. J. McMurtry