The Myth of the Surge

mimo2005 · 02-26-2008, 05:34 AM

The "surge" is not working. Or why giving arms and money to people who were trying to kill you last month isn't necessarily a great idea.The United States is paying off Iraqi militants with weapons and cash. It’s a recipe for disaster.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...h_of_the_surge

And also :

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...conflagration/

Did we give weapons and money before to talibans to fight the russians?

bry623 · 02-26-2008, 07:54 AM

And yet no extreme radicals have killed Americans in America.

mimo2005 · 02-26-2008, 06:10 PM

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And yet no extreme radicals have killed Americans in America.

What you failed to comprehend is the "Iraqi" people and gvt had never at any time wanted to invade or attack the U.S. and they never did.

yustr · 02-26-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

And yet no extreme radicals have killed Americans in America.

Yeah the 4000 dead Americans (so far) don't count because they died their needless deaths somewhere else. How sad.

bry623 · 02-27-2008, 08:16 AM

They died preventing terror. How sad that the liberals trivialize their sacrifices.

**EnglishPaul** · 02-27-2008, 11:18 AM

I'm not so sure that the average Iraqi feels less terror now. Just a different terror.
But you didn't mean them did you?
I'm glad that the average American feels safer now. And will do. Until the next attack.
Quite often people that have been bullied become bullies; kids that were abused become abusers. So is the bloodbath in Iraq more or less likely to create harmonious thoughts towards America?
IMO the soldiers would have been just as useful sacrifices were they locked up in a big wooden cage, and burnt midst chants of 'God spare us from the nasty people of the world'.

**simpswr** · 02-27-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

They died preventing terror. How sad that the liberals trivialize their sacrifices.

Some died fighting terror, and no one I know trivializes that. But by far, the majority died because they are put in the middle of a civil war, which was set up when W & company failed to take into account what would happen when we took out the infrastructure.

The "war" was over in 15 days . . after that, our brave soldiers were used as policemen, a duty which they were not trained to do.

Suni and Shea have been killing each other for longer than this country has existed . . and yet we raise our pious hand in the air and declare that we are going to "free" them and "bring democracy to the middle east". What a bunch of clowns we have making decisions

**Chode** · 02-27-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

And yet no extreme radicals have killed Americans in America.

Amen. People sometimes fail to see what should be obvious cause/effect relationships. In his 3rd Lost Quatrain, Nostradamus prophesied that a giant asteroid should have hit earth last year. I'm proud to say that I'm the reason it hasn't. yet. Everyday at noon, I stand in my back yard wearing my PsychoKinetic Booster Helmet, willing that the asteroid be diverted. Obviously, it's working.

That isn't any more absurd than saying that U.S. occupation of a country which never engaged in state supported terrorism against the U.S. is the reason we haven't been attacked lately.

And we liberals don't trivialize the deaths of U.S. service personnel. Who has less regard for their lives; those of us who want them home, or those who insist that just a few thousand more deaths will turn the tide? Before you tell me that they died for God and Country, let me remind you that those jihadists that drive a car full of explosives into a crowded market and blow up a few dozen men, women, and children will say exactly the same thing.

mimo2005 · 02-27-2008, 05:35 PM

**simpswr** · 02-27-2008, 05:43 PM

Finally . . a reason to stay that makes sense!!!!

**Drew1369** · 02-28-2008, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

They died preventing terror. How sad that the liberals trivialize their sacrifices.

Actually as a good friend told me when he got wounded was that he didn't get wounded preventing terror, as what was stated on his purple heart and silver star citation, he got wounded because an AK-47 round tore thru his leg.

How sad that either side is using the deaths of the troops in any trivial way... left and right.

**EnglishPaul** · 02-28-2008, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Amen. People sometimes fail to see what should be obvious cause/effect relationships. In his 3rd Lost Quatrain, Nostradamus prophesied that a giant asteroid should have hit earth last year. I'm proud to say that I'm the reason it hasn't. yet. Everyday at noon, I stand in my back yard wearing my PsychoKinetic Booster Helmet, willing that the asteroid be diverted. Obviously, it's working.

Thank you Chode for saving the world. The world is very greatful. Keep up your sacrificial acts for humanity.
Perhaps the US needs to equip their soldiers with PsychoKinetic Booster Helmets. Hopefully you can disclose your supplier.

bry623 · 02-28-2008, 08:55 AM

Nice to see we can debate and still dig our own humour.

**sobeit** · 03-01-2008, 04:58 PM

the surge is not working it was the cease fire with the Mehdi Army and al-sadr that did the trick. see this

**Drew1369** · 03-01-2008, 08:14 PM

Of course its working... threat of destruction does wonders for treaties

yustr · 03-01-2008, 10:29 PM

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Of course its working... threat of destruction does wonders for treaties

Yup, its working great; 26 Americans died this month.

As John Prine said: "We lost Davey in the Korean war. Still don't know what for. Doesn't matter anymore."

mimo2005 · 03-02-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Yup, its working great; 26 Americans died this month.

As John Prine said: "We lost Davey in the Korean war. Still don't know what for. Doesn't matter anymore."

26 americans died and more than 600 iraqi civilians died in the same month...The surge is working .

02-26-2008, 05:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 10,614 OS: xp	The Myth of the Surge The "surge" is not working. Or why giving arms and money to people who were trying to kill you last month isn't necessarily a great idea.The United States is paying off Iraqi militants with weapons and cash. It’s a recipe for disaster. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...h_of_the_surge And also : http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...conflagration/ Did we give weapons and money before to talibans to fight the russians? __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005 : 02-26-2008 at 05:35 AM.

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bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: The Myth of the Surge And yet no extreme radicals have killed Americans in America. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

02-27-2008, 08:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: The Myth of the Surge They died preventing terror. How sad that the liberals trivialize their sacrifices. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

02-27-2008, 11:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 936 OS: XP SP2	Re: The Myth of the Surge I'm not so sure that the average Iraqi feels less terror now. Just a different terror. But you didn't mean them did you? I'm glad that the average American feels safer now. And will do. Until the next attack. Quite often people that have been bullied become bullies; kids that were abused become abusers. So is the bloodbath in Iraq more or less likely to create harmonious thoughts towards America? IMO the soldiers would have been just as useful sacrifices were they locked up in a big wooden cage, and burnt midst chants of 'God spare us from the nasty people of the world'.

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02-28-2008, 08:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 10,464 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: The Myth of the Surge Nice to see we can debate and still dig our own humour. __________________ Scarlet and Gray in L.A. 9/13/08

03-01-2008, 04:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
sobeit Mentor Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 4,805 OS: windows/linux	Re: The Myth of the Surge the surge is not working it was the cease fire with the Mehdi Army and al-sadr that did the trick. see this __________________ Do not feed the trolls.

03-01-2008, 08:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 2,218 OS: Vista Business	Re: The Myth of the Surge Of course its working... threat of destruction does wonders for treaties __________________ Marge: We wouldn't be in this trouble if you'd just paid the heating bill! Homer: I thought global warming would take care of it! Al Gore can't do anything right!