mimo2005

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,7388739.story

He is saying if Hillary or Obama wins,it is like "aiding a surrender to terror"? Is Romney serious? Republicans = heros and Democrats = Terrorists
Give me a Freaking break.Wake up people.

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Drew1369

Well to republicans republican = hero...

For Democrats democrats = hero...

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bruiser

Obama and Clinton are both promising to get out of Iraq. Apparently it doesn't matter what is going on. Retreat and defeat.

mimo2005

This war was a mistake since day 1 because we were lied to by Bush gang, if you comprehend it in your Logic , you will understand that "The retreat and defeat republican rethoric" has 0 value to peoples minds.




If you read this article on John McCain's official website you'll notice he was pushing hard for war with Iraq 6 months before 9/11. You gotta love the internet for some beauty article like this one

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde..._id=&Issue_id=

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bruiser

Does it matter at this point in time that the intel was wrong? Our forces are there. They're engaged. You guys want to quit? Give up? I don't think the American public wants a defeat.

This poll will never be taken, but the question should be: "Do you want to lose the war in Iraq? Yes or no". That's all, a simple yes or no.

Deleted090308

War? Invasion - yes.

Nik00117

I want us to stay in Iraq for one reason, and one reason only

We spilt the milk, we gotta clean it up.

I'm not saying invading Iraq was a good thing, in fact I believe its a bad thing now. But point of the matter is this, we made it worse. Its our fault, and we as Americans should not give up when fixing our problems. I as an american citizen state this very clearly

We ****** up, if we live we show our true character. If we stay and do our very best until we are no longer a country then we tried.

Yes I state that openly plainlly and blunty, try not to dig to deep in my words, cause its not a lot of soil underneath it.

40sondacurb

Good the guy was an POS. He had a robot send me message after message after message. If I ever see the guy I will punch him in the face.

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mikeber

The sad truth, bruiser, is that there is nothing to win, but there is so much to lose...
Only the American mind, shaped by Super Bowl mentality (the best of the best, the world winners ... What world? Two north eastern teams are the "world" ???) thinks so.
Iraq is a sad creature, drawn arbitrarily by the British at the end of WW1. People suffered a lot and the different ethnic groups simply cannot live together at this point. You can bring the horse to the water, but...
I was recently watching on TV the history of another sad example, the Vietnam war. The US teams of experts and scientists, led by Robert McNamara designed metrics on how much effective are the bombings, jungle burning and enemy's body count. They were obsessed with body counts. But they never took a minute to reflect on what is the true nature of Vietnam and what are they about...
Without much thought, Johnson the democrat, adopted the theory (drawn by Eisenhower's admin), that it is a struggle of the good against against the evil guys. The theory was that if Vietnam falls to the communists, other south Asian countries will follow in A DOMINO EFFECT and that WILL SIGNAL THE END OF US.
Vietnam fell indeed in 1975 and Cambodia followed, but nothing happened to the US, beside the terrible effects of war.
I wrote this just to say that in my opinion Vietnam was an easier case to deal with then Iraq. There, there was a defined enemy, which had a defined teritory in the north. In Iraq unfortunately, there is no such definition.

sobeit

I wonder what promises Romney was given if he dropped out of the race.

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yustr

I'd guess none. It was a business decision for him. He didn't do well in FL and had started to back down on his advertising even before Super Tuesday. He'd already "loaned" his campaign many millions and when it became clear that 1 - he wasn't going to win and 2 - therefore he wouldn't be able to blunder the treasury for himself and his cronies, it was time to cut his loses. He'll be just fine, and thank you for asking. I see many lucrative Board of Directorships opening up in the near future.

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Chode

No, mikeber, there wasn't anything neat and well defined about Vietnam. The Viet Cong (the "insurgency" of the era), were hardened by years of nearly continual warfare all the way back to WWII. The bartender who served you drinks might shoot you in the back as you left the bar. The kid that you gave a Hershey bar to in the afternoon might pitch a grenade into your bunk during the night. Those of us fighting there were almost all draftees. We were poorly trained and motivated, generally poorly led, and after a while, responding to brutal violence in the same coin tended to become the norm.

At various times during the war, provincial governors offered "ear bounties" for dead Vietcong. During some court martial proceedings brought against U.S. officers, witnesses alleged that the accused had offered private bounties. I never saw that, but the South Vietnamese bounties were real. For a while necklaces of human ears were very much en vogue.

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Chode

But, on a less depressing note, Romney left the race because McCain has gained an insurmountable lead. All of Mitt's rhetoric is just to avoid the simple admission that he lost his bid for the nomination. What a crock!

McCain and Romney engage in an epic struggle! The two Titans grapple each other with mighty arms entwined. Massively thewed legs strain for advantage while their godlike feet crush mountains and spill great rivers from their banks! Meanwhile, the evil, weasel-like dems plot the overthrow of all that is right and good and noble.

At last, with an incredible, Herculean effort, McCain lifts Romney over his head and dashes him to his death upon the stony ground of voter confidence. Exhausted from combat, McCain falls upon the sacred earth, and as he lies helpless and bleeding, the dems creep forth to batten on his blood. Then the world ends.

McCain is a guy that I could support with pride under different circumstances. Unfortunately, if he were elected, he would still take office with a debt the the disastrous NeoCon agenda. Enough is enough.

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Chode

We've already won the war. We crushed the Iraqi army, we killed Saddam's bestial sons, and we finally drug him from his hole and delivered him to the justice of the Iraqi people. I'd call it victory right there.

Now, if you want to say that our work in Iraq is somehow unfinished, I'd argue that point. In order to achieve a goal, you have to be able to define your goal. You Bushies are consistently unable to do that. All you can do is natter on about "winning", but you can't say what it takes to win.

I know I've said this in several other threads (and gotten no responses); Bruiser! Define "victory" in Iraq in 50 words or less. Here's an example: WWII victory = "eliminate the will and ability of the Axis powers to make war and force their unconditional surrender." How about the Korean War? Victory = "defend the independence of our South Korean ally against the aggression of Communist North Korea and it's Chinese Communist and Soviet supporters."
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bruiser

Chodie, I knew you'd chime in. It looks like you want to surrender and turn it over to the radical muslims.

No, victory has not been achieved. The Bush Administration has put the plan out for the result they're looking for. I'm sure you can find it if you want. But, I don't think you really want to.

Chode

I'm just a stupid Democrat, Bruiser. You have to make things really simple for me. 'Splain it to me in small words.

Better yet, don't tell me what Wubbya "thinks". Take up the 50 word challenge yourself.

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bruiser

You said it, you're just a stupid democrat. You can interpret it anyway you like, and you'd be right.

-=Rousseau=-

...The only goals that they have for Iraq is for the region to gain stability... They have failed to realize that this is the MIDDLE EAST and the people involved are sects of Muslims who don't like each other very much... Or the West. Winning = Changing everyone in Iraq into a civilized, Western-minded person... Don't work that way.

You could really say that setting up the government and getting it onto its feet would be the goal, though. Making Iraq as stable as other Middle Eastern nations, or as stable as it was before the war, isn't unreasonable...